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Post by jc on Feb 29, 2012 19:45:56 GMT -5
Seeing Tito on the field for Yankees Spring Training is just too odd for me, especially while he's wearing a World Series ring. Seems like a good dude, but him...
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 29, 2012 20:09:20 GMT -5
Lorenzo's wild card whine fest might be my least favorite Lorenzo rant
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Post by Chip on Feb 29, 2012 22:17:25 GMT -5
Chip last time I did that TRW gave me a warning bar for avoiding censors :l And dodgers? ew :3 Ive been a yanks fan my whole life but Im also a nats fan ;O but technically saying the m-hole word isn't a bad thing....because its Mass...not....ah forget it. I've been a Yankee fan ever since I started liking baseball in the mid 90's. actually right around 96 when Jeter came up. My stepdad is a massive Yankee fan and kind of "brainwashed" me because I really didn't follow baseball before that time. So I just fell into it, then I started learning about the history of the team, all the great players. Plus I've always loved NY in general. It just became a thing.
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Post by T R W on Mar 1, 2012 9:48:51 GMT -5
I have been a Braves fan since I was old enough to remember. As a result of his time in Atlanta when I was a kid,I have always liked Joe Torre. But I went to my first Braves game in 1979 with my grandfather, so by the time they went to the World Series in 1991 when I was in high school, it already felt like I had suffered for years. I went to a WS game that year, and every time they went. I went to the parades in 91, 92, and 95. But the 80's were really, really, REALLY bad except for 1 year, and it was tough to watch sometimes. But you find connections with players like Dale Murphy, or Phil Neikro, and you continue to root for your team, because eventually, it will pay off. And it finally did for me.
But hey, according to Forbes, Atlanta is the most miserable sports city! I have a hard time disagreeing really. But I won't change what teams I support just because Bobby Cox retired, or because they gave unceremonius exits to Glavine and Smoltz. I'm not going to change teams because they had an epic collapse last year when they should haev been a lock for the playoffs. And even though they are owned by a corporation who doesn't care about winning, I'm still not going to just find another team to root for. 30 years is too much of an investment.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Mar 1, 2012 10:16:39 GMT -5
I can't feel sorry for Braves fans after they spent a decade or so winning the division every year and just pwning the Phils season after season.
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Post by RSCTom on Mar 1, 2012 10:30:07 GMT -5
But I won't change what teams I support just because Bobby Cox retired, or because they gave unceremonius exits to Glavine and Smoltz. I'm not going to change teams because they had an epic collapse last year when they should haev been a lock for the playoffs. And even though they are owned by a corporation who doesn't care about winning, I'm still not going to just find another team to root for. 30 years is too much of an investment. Exactly why I'm going to stick to my guns with where I've fallen into. Despite those types of examples which are more or less what I went through, they weren't the end all be all for me. It was really just that I was starting to not care about the sport and I knew that wasn't me. Even with a big investment. It all boils down to that fact that no one (or nothing) is bigger than the game itself, and with the Yankees I no longer felt that way.
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Post by T R W on Mar 1, 2012 10:42:19 GMT -5
I can't feel sorry for Braves fans after they spent a decade or so winning the division every year and just pwning the Phils season after season. Nor would I ask or expect anyone to. Honestly, many people look at the Braves of the 90's, and see failure. Personally, I see great success, that unfortunately, only delivered 1 World Series title, that should have probably been at least 2. But most people who watch baseball now forget or just flat out don't remember what a miserable, miserable, awful franchise the Braves were prior to 1991. I do.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 1, 2012 10:56:47 GMT -5
I've been reading a lot of articles and listening to all the idiots call in to radio shows and whatnot....and it actually makes me laugh.
There are a lot of self proclaimed "baseball purists" who believe that we shouldn't change the current one Wild Card Playoff format because it would be insulting to change what is "baseball history".
Baseball history? BASEBALL HISTORY?!?!? I hope these self proclaimed baseball purists realize that we've only had the current one Wild Card Playoff format for the last 16 seasons!
Everyone got used to the Wild Card. So if people consider something that's only been happening for 16 seasons of Baseball's over 100 year history as an "unbreakable tradition",.....well, to those people I say, you will get used to this just like you got used to the Wild Card.
If we really want to go with what is BASEBALL tradition, the best team in the AL and best team in the NL would go straight to the World Series.
Like I said, it only makes the Playoffs go from 8 to 10 teams for ONE FREAKING GAME. It's not the end of the world. For teams that actually win the Division, this will not affect you. You start the ALDS and NLDS normally like you would have anyway.
Like I said, I usually have a problem with EVERYTHING, especially the shenanigans of Bud Selig.....but I have no problem with this.
There have been seasons where the Division winner and Wild Card winners have coasted out the last 2+ weeks of the season playing rookies and resting people. Now, the Wild Card won't be able to do that because they know they've got that elimination game coming up.
The Wild Card team doesn't deserve the privilege and right to coast out the last 2+ weeks of the season....they didn't finish first place.
This isn't some little league run by parents who all think their idiot kid is the best.....not everybody should get a trophy. First, Second, Third and Fourth are NOT the same thing, and they should NOT be treated the same.
This is like seeding in basketball and football....the teams with the best records SHOULD have the advantage because they EARNED it over the course of the season.
A rare good decision by Bud Selig. NOW GIVE ARMANDO GALARRAGA HIS PERFECT GAME AND REINSTATE PETE ROSE AND PUT HIM IN THE DAMN HALL OF FAME!
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Mar 1, 2012 13:09:11 GMT -5
I can't feel sorry for Braves fans after they spent a decade or so winning the division every year and just pwning the Phils season after season. Nor would I ask or expect anyone to. Honestly, many people look at the Braves of the 90's, and see failure. Personally, I see great success, that unfortunately, only delivered 1 World Series title, that should have probably been at least 2. But most people who watch baseball now forget or just flat out don't remember what a miserable, miserable, awful franchise the Braves were prior to 1991. I do. Spend a decade watching the Braves beat the snot out of you year after year and finish on top of the division and it's hard to call them a failure from where I'm standing.
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Post by T R W on Mar 1, 2012 13:19:42 GMT -5
Nor would I ask or expect anyone to. Honestly, many people look at the Braves of the 90's, and see failure. Personally, I see great success, that unfortunately, only delivered 1 World Series title, that should have probably been at least 2. But most people who watch baseball now forget or just flat out don't remember what a miserable, miserable, awful franchise the Braves were prior to 1991. I do. Spend a decade watching the Braves beat the snot out of you year after year and finish on top of the division and it's hard to call them a failure from where I'm standing. Understandable. But many people look at them being so dominant for 14 years, but only winning 1 World Series as a failure, similar to the Buffalo Bills. Surely you have heard these comparisons. But I spent over a decade watching the Braves get pounded by the Reds, Dodgers, and Giants as well. I was very jealous of their success too.
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Post by Mr.GT on Mar 1, 2012 13:34:08 GMT -5
So AJ Burnett took a foul ball off his face, fractured his orbital bone.
Reading he was taking bunts, and that's how he fouled it off.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Mar 1, 2012 13:39:05 GMT -5
So AJ Burnett took a foul ball off his face, fractured his orbital bone. Reading he was taking bunts, and that's how he fouled it off. **Waits for Lorenzo's rant about how pitchers shouldn't hit.**
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Mar 1, 2012 13:43:31 GMT -5
Spend a decade watching the Braves beat the snot out of you year after year and finish on top of the division and it's hard to call them a failure from where I'm standing. Understandable. But many people look at them being so dominant for 14 years, but only winning 1 World Series as a failure, similar to the Buffalo Bills. Surely you have heard these comparisons. But I spent over a decade watching the Braves get pounded by the Reds, Dodgers, and Giants as well. I was very jealous of their success too. I've heard the arguments, but I don't buy it. It's why I can't feel sorry for any Yankees fan ever. Since 1993, the Yankees have missed the playoffs one time (not including the strike shortened '94 season when they finished 1st). The last time the Yankees finished under .500 was '92. The past 30 years or so, they've only finished under .500 five times. So I can't feel sorry at all when Yankee fans bitch and moan about being one and done and getting kicked out by a Wild Card team. Play better baseball and it won't happen. The Phils got kicked out last year because they played shitty baseball, not because the system is unfair. Play good baseball and it won't happen.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 1, 2012 13:46:31 GMT -5
So AJ Burnett took a foul ball off his face, fractured his orbital bone. Reading he was taking bunts, and that's how he fouled it off. **Waits for Lorenzo's rant about how pitchers shouldn't hit.** Pitchers shouldn't hit. It's boring, they suck at it, and for the most part all it leads to is injuries. A.J. Burnett is getting paid $16.5 million dollars to throw the baseball, not have it shatter his eye socket trying to bunt. The NL needs to get with the times. The fact that they changed it in the All-Star game because it's so useless leads me to believe that in less than 5 years, you'll have the DH in the NL too. Keep giving these pitchers huge contracts and keep having them get hurt batting and running the baselines and it's just going to be a risk that no owner is going to want to take. There, happy?
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Mar 1, 2012 13:58:11 GMT -5
Ozzie Smith got paid for his fielding, not his hitting. So he shouldn't have to swing the bat either?
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 1, 2012 14:14:39 GMT -5
Ozzie Smith got paid for his fielding, not his hitting. So he shouldn't have to swing the bat either? That's different. Obviously if you're a fielder, you need to be able to at least hold your own at the plate. Unless there are designated fielders, those guys need to be able to bat. But the bottom line is that the best NL pitcher puts up batting numbers worse than the crappiest bench player in the AL at hitting. What's the most RBI's a pitcher has ever put up in the NL and how often are numbers like that achieved? I'd be willing to guess not often. More often than not, the pitcher is a K or a sac bunt. It's boring, they suck at hitting, and it just leads to injuries. If Roy Halladay or Cliff Lee blow out their elbows batting or blow out an achillies running the bases and you finish in 3rd Place you'll change your tune. I'm more than content having CC Sabathia, Michael Pineda and Freddy Garcia get 3 outs and then go sit their fat asses on the bench until it's time to go pitch again. Last thing I need is CC Sabathia running the bases, or Michael Pineda suffering a career ruining injury after we traded Montero for him like what happened to Chien-Ming Wang. Now that they put the DH in the All-Star game even in NL parks, I wish they would make it permanent in both ballparks for Interleage too. I don't want my guys getting hurt hitting, running, or in A.J.'s case, practicing doing these things.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Mar 1, 2012 14:48:18 GMT -5
Why does a fielder need to swing the bat? Why not just let him field? Ozzie Smith finished his career with an average of .262. He had just 2400 and some odd hits and none of his other offensive numbers are impressive at all. Yet he made the HOF on the first ballot. Why? Because he was so freaking good with the glove. Every organization has guys who are outstanding with the glove like Ozzie, but, unlike Ozzie, can't hit to save their lives. We should let guys like that just field.
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Post by Chip on Mar 1, 2012 14:57:56 GMT -5
You can't compare fielders to pitchers. Position players are on the field every single day (essentially), starting pitchers pitch once every 5 days. Like it or not, the picture is the MOST important position on any baseball team. The game lives and dies by how well your pitcher is performing.
If Derek Jeter breaks his foot running the bases, there are 8 other batters on the team that can pick up his slack. If CC does the same thing there are not enough "ace" starting pitchers that can replace him. On top of that, pitchers put enough strains on their arms, shoulders, hips & legs throwing 100 pitches a game. They don't need to add swinging a bat & running bases to that.
Yea I know some pitchers say they like hitting (CC, D-Train, Arroyo, etc.) but it doesn't matter. Most pitchers are AWFUL hitters, and I like seeing my team SCORE RUNS. Not lay down sacrifice bunts. Not to mention being a DH extends careers of some guys.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 1, 2012 15:11:45 GMT -5
You can't compare fielders to pitchers. Position players are on the field every single day (essentially), starting pitchers pitch once every 5 days. Like it or not, the picture is the MOST important position on any baseball team. The game lives and dies by how well your pitcher is performing. If Derek Jeter breaks his foot running the bases, there are 8 other batters on the team that can pick up his slack. If CC does the same thing there are not enough "ace" starting pitchers that can replace him. On top of that, pitchers put enough strains on their arms, shoulders, hips & legs throwing 100 pitches a game. They don't need to add swinging a bat & running bases to that. Yea I know some pitchers say they like hitting (CC, D-Train, Arroyo, etc.) but it doesn't matter. Most pitchers are AWFUL hitters, and I like seeing my team SCORE RUNS. Not lay down sacrifice bunts. Not to mention being a DH extends careers of some guys. Exactly. You can replace literally almost everyone else on the team, but not the performance of a true ace starting pitcher. You can't just get that type of performance from a fill-in player. And in the Yankees case, obviously you can't replace Rivera....but lot's of other teams do bullpen by comity. If Derek Jeter is injured, Nunez and Pena can play. If Curtis Granderson gets hurt, Gardner can play Center and Ibanez or Jones can play left. If Swisher gets hurt, Jones or Ibanez can play right. If Teixeira gets hurt, Swisher or Chavez can play 1st. If Cano gets hurt, Pena or Nunez can play second. If A-Rod gets hurt, Pena, Nunez or Chavez can play third. If Martin gets hurt, Cervelli or Romine can play C. If Gardner gets hurt, Jones or Ibanez can play left. And anybody on the team can be a DH on any given day. But if CC gets hurt, you can't just have any jabroni step in and fill his role of winning 19 or 20+ games. This is why I don't want my starters batting. If they get hurt, you can not replace them.
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Post by T R W on Mar 1, 2012 15:31:58 GMT -5
Baseball needs to adapt if they want to survive.
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