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Post by Kyle - legendkilla2k9 on Jul 14, 2011 14:25:21 GMT -5
Yeah, your right. ...but he wouldn't say a thing if he would have said 'This company would be better if The Rock was dead'.  Umm....why has this come to wishing death on people? I wish you were dead  |
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Post by Chip on Jul 14, 2011 14:32:59 GMT -5
I don't believe that for a second. Rock always said he wanted to be Hollywood. He was a guy you could tell didn't want to be a "wrestler" his whole life. Cena has done more for the WWE in the last 5 years than the Rock did his entire career. The way Cena talks and acts you can absolutely tell that WRESTLING is what he wants to do with his life. He lives and breathes the fact that he is the most committed man to the industry. He does the movie thing because the WWE wants him to. John Cena will be a WWE Superstar until he has to retire. He doesn't need or want to go anywhere else. BS. Cena is only good for selling merch (he's damn good at it) but ppv sales haven't been close to what they were in the Attitude era, which of course the The Rock (and Austin) led. The Rock was a huge player for the WWE and probably one of the reasons we beat WCW in the Monday Night Wars. You could tell on The Rock's birthday RAW just how valuable he was when it showed Vince nearly crying as he said thank you. Stone Cold Steve Austin was THE star of the attitude era. Stone Cold Steve Austin sold more merch than Rock, Hogan...and everyone before him. The Rock was a secondary player during the attitude era when wrestling itself was even more popular than it is today. PPV sales are not down because of Cena. Pay Per View sales are down because of a list of reasons....things like - the US economy (people not wanting to shell out $40 a month for a PPV) - less people overall interested in wrestling (it was bound to happen after the Monday Night Wars) - more people just wanting to get together and party while watching the PPV (10 people at one persons house only equals 1 buy, where as years ago those 10 people probably ordered the PPV themself) It's so funny all this Rock slobbering...if he never left. If The Rock was still wrestling in the WWE today the IWC would HAAAAATE HIS GUTS. They would be calling for him to do nothing but "put over" young guys, they would be calling his promos stale and boring... the ONLY reason Rock is getting so much "love and affection" is because he left arguably on top of his game...and no wrestling fan is satisfied with that. We want our favorites to HAVE to retire...not just walk away to do movies. |
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Post by wabarrett on Jul 14, 2011 14:33:49 GMT -5
No, he sounds completely immature. "This company would be better if cena was dead"? No, no it wouldn't. Yeah, your right. ... but he wouldn't say a thing if he would have said 'This company would be better if The Rock was dead'. That's where you are wrong. 1. I am a huge fan of both. 2. I would never wish death upon someone, especially not someone who lives to entertain me and other WWE fans. |
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Post by TurboEddie on Jul 14, 2011 14:35:53 GMT -5
Cena brings it bigger.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Jul 14, 2011 15:09:25 GMT -5
lol "left for greener pastures" The Rock left to persue another dream he had in life, which was to become an actor...John Cena is so beyond ignorant it's not even funny.
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Post by awesomeallamerican on Jul 14, 2011 15:11:51 GMT -5
This thread is unbelievable. I didn't realize that you "wrestling fans" had such short memories. It's as if you've completely forgotten that The Rock has done more for wrestling than Cena could ever hope to. Anyone who says he can't love the WWE since he's an actor is ridiculous. I guess none of you have more than one passion in life then  That's blatantly opinion. They are both icons of their generation. You saying Cena could never even hope to achieve what the Rock has done is just you being biased. If it weren't for opinion, message boards would cease to exist. The very essence of a message board is people conveying their opinions to others. It's your opinion (for whatever reason) that Cena is better than The Rock in some way. What The Rock said in his promo is true. He already paid his dues and did everything Cena is doing at this very moment. It's immature of Cena to accuse The Rock of turning his back on the fans when he entertained them for years and he's coming back to do it again. |
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Jul 14, 2011 15:39:01 GMT -5
I don't care how many times Cena says it, it won't get old. The Rock can't claim he loves wrestling when he doesn't show up, simple as. He was young when he left, he was in great shape, he was a main eventer, had a lot of great matches left in him, and didn't had any kind of injuries that I know of, and also he was surely earning a lot of money. With all of that, if you REALLY love wrestling, why leave? Don't bring me the he's done it all argument, because there are many wrestlers who already have done it all and are still wrestling because they really LOVE it.
IMO, Cena has indeed done more in the last five years for this business. Probably he will never get as much ratings as the Attitude Era did, but you just can't tell me it was The Rock the one who made all of those, but John Cena has made the WWE look good with the media. All those Make-a-Wish don't make money as a big PPV buyrate, but it sure gives a good image not only to Cena but the WWE too.
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Post by The Undertaker on Jul 14, 2011 16:45:52 GMT -5
First of all, the Rock has not done more than Cena for the company. People forget Austin left and the Rock took over in 2000 and then a couple of months after X-7 the Rock was THE guy.
Second, Cena is right with everything he says. I cant stand him, but he's right.
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Post by specterkev on Jul 14, 2011 16:51:32 GMT -5
I thoguht cena's comeback was weak
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Post by AONI on Jul 14, 2011 17:04:04 GMT -5
some of you guys are real idiots. just because The Rock says he'll never leave outta his love for wrestling and then leaves DOES NOT mean that he is lying about that love he has. have you all forgotten that he was raised in this business? that his grandfather practically brought pro wrestling to the South Pacific? to put it simply, you pricks have no right to question The Rock's love for this business nor his ability to say that he loves this business seeing as it is the same business that put food on his table and clothes on his back for a majority of his life.
and newsflash, Vince has been trying to make the next wrestler/movie star ever since The Rock got the part for Scorpion King. and if Triple H, Stone Cold, or John Cena had broken out like The Rock did, theyd be doing the same damn thing The Rock's been doing...as would any other sensible person on the planet. you all have no place to question how any man outside of yourselves make a living in this life, so get off of your high horses and shut the hell up.
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Post by Adam on Jul 14, 2011 17:16:09 GMT -5
What The Rock said in his promo is true. He already paid his dues and did everything Cena is doing at this very moment. It's immature of Cena to accuse The Rock of turning his back on the fans when he entertained them for years and he's coming back to do it again. |
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Post by becausethenight on Jul 14, 2011 18:15:18 GMT -5
John Cena can't ever take a week, a day, or a show off, otherwise he can't claim that he loves wrestling. If he ever gives a poor performance, it's because he doesn't love wrestling. If WWE ever misses out on a single dollar that he could have made for them, he doesn't love wrestling. If he continues to deliver awful match after awful match after awful match, with even worse promos in between, it's because he doesn't love wrestling.
I think that's all fair, based on Cena's decision on The Rock's love for wrestling.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Jul 14, 2011 18:21:36 GMT -5
I don't care how many times Cena says it, it won't get old. The Rock can't claim he loves wrestling when he doesn't show up, simple as. He was young when he left, he was in great shape, he was a main eventer, had a lot of great matches left in him, and didn't had any kind of injuries that I know of, and also he was surely earning a lot of money. With all of that, if you REALLY love wrestling, why leave? Don't bring me the he's done it all argument, because there are many wrestlers who already have done it all and are still wrestling because they really LOVE it. IMO, Cena has indeed done more in the last five years for this business. Probably he will never get as much ratings as the Attitude Era did, but you just can't tell me it was The Rock the one who made all of those, but John Cena has made the WWE look good with the media. All those Make-a-Wish don't make money as a big PPV buyrate, but it sure gives a good image not only to Cena but the WWE too. Are you kidding me man? So a wrestler can't love the business if they leave? That's ridiculous...he loved it, which is why we did it for all of those years. But the man has other interests, other dreams, one being acting...so just because he left to follow another dream means he can't still love wrestling? That's really ignorant of you or anyone else to say. Why do you think he came back? For the money? Obviously not, it's because he loves wrestling, he just needed some time to develop his other dream of being an actor. You or anyone else saying that once you are a wrestler, you have to stay a wrestler for life and can never do anything else is disgusting...he did everything he wanted to do in this business up to that point, so he decided to do something else...and that doesn't mean that he loses his right to love this business. People like you that deny him that right piss me off. |
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Post by juicewinslow on Jul 14, 2011 18:27:39 GMT -5
"I wonder if GLAAD will be offended by Dwayne's comments."
^b*tch move. He shouldn't be pointing things like this out in my opinion.
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Post by user9327 on Jul 14, 2011 18:35:25 GMT -5
I hate to say it but I gotta....
at this point The Rock just sucks. Straight up. I don't even have much more to say except that he's not even that entertaining anymore and that he seems like he's full of shit.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Jul 14, 2011 18:41:47 GMT -5
Cena comes across as extremely inept and immature here, he can't convey a decent point at all, it's also why his promos are so attrocious.
Granted, Rocky's recent promo was pretty dyer as well so I'm going to chalk this up as a no contest.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Jul 14, 2011 19:02:45 GMT -5
I don't care how many times Cena says it, it won't get old. The Rock can't claim he loves wrestling when he doesn't show up, simple as. He was young when he left, he was in great shape, he was a main eventer, had a lot of great matches left in him, and didn't had any kind of injuries that I know of, and also he was surely earning a lot of money. With all of that, if you REALLY love wrestling, why leave? Don't bring me the he's done it all argument, because there are many wrestlers who already have done it all and are still wrestling because they really LOVE it. IMO, Cena has indeed done more in the last five years for this business. Probably he will never get as much ratings as the Attitude Era did, but you just can't tell me it was The Rock the one who made all of those, but John Cena has made the WWE look good with the media. All those Make-a-Wish don't make money as a big PPV buyrate, but it sure gives a good image not only to Cena but the WWE too. Are you kidding me man? So a wrestler can't love the business if they leave? That's ridiculous...he loved it, which is why we did it for all of those years. But the man has other interests, other dreams, one being acting...so just because he left to follow another dream means he can't still love wrestling? That's really ignorant of you or anyone else to say. Why do you think he came back? For the money? Obviously not, it's because he loves wrestling, he just needed some time to develop his other dream of being an actor. You or anyone else saying that once you are a wrestler, you have to stay a wrestler for life and can never do anything else is disgusting...he did everything he wanted to do in this business up to that point, so he decided to do something else...and that doesn't mean that he loses his right to love this business. People like you that deny him that right piss me off. I feel like anyone who brings up your argument is completely misunderstanding what's trying to be said. No one(with good sense) has a problem with Rock leaving for Hollywood. I don't even have a poblem with him making movies. I like him as an actor. The problem that wrestling fans have with Rocky, is that he continues to patronize us. It's to the point where it's quite insulting. A good percentage of people would NOT be complaining about him if he didn't go on and on and on and on about how he's never leaving again. It's a very simple concept. Don't say you're NEVER leaving again, when you clearly intend to. He doesn't have to show up every week. But for him to be involved in a so called feud with a guy in the company, a feud that the company is FULLY endorsing none the less, and not be around nearly at all is not going to go over well with most people. Nor should it. Cena keeps driving the same point home, but he's right. When you're in a fight, you find a hole in you opponent's game, and you hammer that sucker out until he drops to the mat. Cena's doing that to perfection. Cena's clearly winning this war of words with Rocky. CM Punk's words towards Cena ring more true than anything the Rock has said since day one. And for the record, I don't think that Rock loves the business. Does he love the people? Sure because they made him. He obviously loves performing. But I don't think he loves wrestling. As a man with potentially endless resources he could use, it's honestly shocking that he hasn't done anything to at least plant his roots into the business that he "loves". No training schools, no helping with other promotions elswhere, no helping younger guys get started in some way. Now there's still time for him to do these sorts of things. But most guys who hang up the boots but don't want to let go of wrestling end up planting seeds somewhere. |
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Post by Odafin Tutuola on Jul 14, 2011 19:17:50 GMT -5
I was never a fan of The Rock but I feel that John Cena is right about what he said about The Rock. Ric Flair said at the Hall Of Fame that he hopes Cena doesn't leave wrestling for movies, I think we was poking fun at The Rock for leaving wrestling for Hollywood. John Cena does alot for the WWE, as someone said PPV buys are down because nobody wants to spend $40-50 on a PPV and their isn't another wrestling company around that isn't as big as WCW was.
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Post by Kyle - legendkilla2k9 on Jul 14, 2011 19:35:48 GMT -5
I was never a fan of The Rock but I feel that John Cena is right about what he said about The Rock. Ric Flair said at the Hall Of Fame that he hopes Cena doesn't leave wrestling for movies, I think we was poking fun at The Rock for leaving wrestling for Hollywood. John Cena does alot for the WWE, as someone said PPV buys are down because nobody wants to spend $40-50 on a PPV and their isn't another wrestling company around that isn't as big as WCW was. Like Ric Flair can talk about loyalty to the business... ;D |
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Jul 14, 2011 19:36:41 GMT -5
I was never a fan of The Rock but I feel that John Cena is right about what he said about The Rock. Ric Flair said at the Hall Of Fame that he hopes Cena doesn't leave wrestling for movies, I think we was poking fun at The Rock for leaving wrestling for Hollywood. John Cena does alot for the WWE, as someone said PPV buys are down because nobody wants to spend $40-50 on a PPV and their isn't another wrestling company around that isn't as big as WCW was. Like Ric Flair can talk about loyalty to the business... ;D He's still wrestling isn't he? |
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