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Post by tenup on Jul 26, 2011 9:53:45 GMT -5
Personally I find it unfair that every super hero in the market of comic books and movies are all portrayed by white people. There's no real diversity in the genre. It seems like a formulated pattern is used to make all these hero flicks cater to the white demographic audience and shun out the rest. I don't consider myself a racist but I do see things for what they are and to sit through a movie that focuses on a 95% white american cast and polishes them to look like god sent angels from heaven, I have to question the motive.
What I would like to see is something similar to the Street Fighter franchise which offers a variety of characters from different ethnic backgrounds throughout the globe and engaged in a story that's relevant to everyone. I want to see cultures from outside the USA. Captain America was total patriotic garbage if you asked me and didn't deserve the box office success it has. I would rather sit through some of the more cheesy Godzilla films that were made in the 70s and pay to see it at that than sit through Captain America a second time.
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Post by Official WF Ghostbuster on Jul 26, 2011 9:57:43 GMT -5
Keep in mind many of the comic book characters were created in the 30's, 40'5s, and 50's when the only people who could buy comics were white people. It has gotten a lot better in recent decades, but it's a little hard to go back now and make Spider-Man black.
They tried it with Captain America (Red, White, and Black), and it failed horribly. It's not that they don't try to diversify. Ultimate Nick Fury is a great example. They took a white character and made him black. And it works.
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Post by Franky4Fingers on Jul 26, 2011 10:50:57 GMT -5
ever read any milestone books? if not, i'd snap up some of the books they did. it's a start in a different direction while still being cape comics. priests run on black panther was also great if you are looking for something more mainstream. i'd recommend avoiding hudlin's run though. a good place to find a outlook on life that's not american is slice of life manga's. too many to name there. also, if you saw steve rogers as just propaganda, you missed the point. steve started as a propaganda piece in the 40's, yes, but he's evolved well beyond that. he's the standard we all should strive to be. a good person.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2011 10:53:49 GMT -5
Ever heard of Black Panther, Storm, Luke Cage or Blade?
Blade had three huge films, storm was in the first three x-men films and there's a black panther film in the works.
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Post by sonstuds on Jul 26, 2011 10:57:44 GMT -5
Captain Planet transcends race.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2011 11:04:59 GMT -5
Green Lantern
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Post by moocow on Jul 26, 2011 11:31:32 GMT -5
Well DC is trying to diversify their comics with the relaunch they're doing, characters like Batwing, Mister Terrific, Static Shock are getting their own comics.
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Post by Skittles McD on Jul 26, 2011 11:34:18 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2011 11:39:55 GMT -5
Personally I find it unfair that every super hero in the market of comic books and movies are all portrayed by white people. There's no real diversity in the genre. It seems like a formulated pattern is used to make all these hero flicks cater to the white demographic audience and shun out the rest. I don't consider myself a racist but I do see things for what they are and to sit through a movie that focuses on a 95% white american cast and polishes them to look like god sent angels from heaven, I have to question the motive. What I would like to see is something similar to the Street Fighter franchise which offers a variety of characters from different ethnic backgrounds throughout the globe and engaged in a story that's relevant to everyone. I want to see cultures from outside the USA. Captain America was total patriotic garbage if you asked me and didn't deserve the box office success it has. I would rather sit through some of the more cheesy Godzilla films that were made in the 70s and pay to see it at that than sit through Captain America a second time. Well his name is Captain America , what do you expect?
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Post by tenup on Jul 26, 2011 11:40:28 GMT -5
Avil what you're pointing out are supporting characters with the exception of Blade which is the minority of Super Heros. But my problem stems far beyond caped cruisaders. A movie like Transformers has used the same cast to play the role of the main protagonist for the entire series instead of offering new angles and introducing new characters from different backgrounds to play the main roles. So yeah its like whats going on here? In this ficticous world of movies and comics is there no room for someone living in a the urbanized parts of the US?
I like a blend of everything because thats really the world we live in. A movie based in New York shouldn't just be done in Manhatten all the time. Wheres the Bronx? I Warriors was a good example of how to get a movie done right in New York.
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Post by brm on Jul 26, 2011 12:11:34 GMT -5
As was stated before, Comic characters are products of their creators and their time period. Most of the true iconic characters were created in a time of segregation, and thus, superheroes were white. Of course, things are different now, but comic fans have grown up with these characters, and thus, do not want to see them changed. Thus, the problem is not that established white characters must be made white. What needs to be done is comic creators need to make new characters that are not white, or build up already created diverse characters to reach an iconic status. These so called "side characters" you called as such need to be allowed to grow by the comic reading and consuming audience, and not simply labeled as "side characters." Take Cyborg for instance. Cyborg began as a member of the Teen Titans in the 1980s, but now, he's a member of the Justice League, THE most recognized superhero group in the DC Universe. Sure you can still call Cyborg a "side character" but by doing that and ignoring the his growth and the effort that is being made to promote these diverse "side characters," you undermine that effort that is being made. The most iconic superheros are not going to suddenly become diverse, it's a long process, but one that is being made.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jul 26, 2011 12:12:52 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2011 12:28:10 GMT -5
thats a poor example.he a GL not THE GL.also hes about as entertaining/interesting as root canal.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Jul 26, 2011 12:56:52 GMT -5
thats a poor example.he a GL not THE GL.also hes about as entertaining/interesting as root canal.QFT
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Jul 26, 2011 13:44:12 GMT -5
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Post by Nitro on Jul 26, 2011 14:22:05 GMT -5
I'de personally like to see a half black/half white super hero.
Grey hulk doesn't count!
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Post by T R W on Jul 26, 2011 14:28:29 GMT -5
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Post by Tye Hyll on Jul 26, 2011 14:35:53 GMT -5
Putting a black guy in a movie for the sake of putting a black guy in a movie is just as racist. If the role doesnt call for it then why do it?
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Post by MacReady on Jul 26, 2011 14:48:24 GMT -5
You're a racist. And the fact that you have to go out of your way in your post to say you aren't just makes it more obvious. You want them to shoehorn a black person in the role of a superhero that isn't black just for the sake of doing so? That's reverse racism. Source material is source material, they were white in the comics, they'll be white in the movies. Black Panther is black, Blade is black (had 3 movies AND a tv show), Cyborg is black, Luke Cage is black, Steel is black, Static Shock is black (he had his own ing cartoon series). I hate this ing argument so ing much. It's racist on YOUR part, but white movie producers are the racists for sticking to something that has a 50+ year basis to go on? There are black superhero and comic properties, they will have their time too, until then, stop acting like it's being done intentionally to hold one culture back and make the other look better, that's ing ridiculous. Final question, do you think Captain America would've deserved the BO numbers it got if Will Smith played him instead? Seems like that's the track you want to go down here.
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Post by machoking on Jul 26, 2011 14:57:19 GMT -5
Black guys as super heroes? Next thing you know someone will want to remake Friday with Kevin James and Adam Sandler.
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