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Post by wabarrett on Jul 28, 2011 15:34:36 GMT -5
That shirt doesn't even make sense to me...
What is the pun exactly?
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Post by Kliquid on Jul 28, 2011 20:34:58 GMT -5
I vote "neither" to this poll.
As an individual who supports personal freedom, I want to support this woman's right to wear what she wants in public. If she's walking on public ground, by all means, she can wear whatever the hell she wants.
That said, private establishments have every right to dictate what people can and cannot wear while they are in the location. Don't like their rules? Don't go to their store. Boycott it, even.
Free market FTW.
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Post by Thick Justice on Jul 28, 2011 22:32:42 GMT -5
Not enough information.
The way I see it is they shouldn't allow pro gay shirts. I also think they shouldn't allow anti-gay shirts. I think they shouldn't allow black power shirts or Anti Black shirts. I think they shouldn't allow shirts that could be found offensive to any race, gender, sexual orientation, age group or anything like it. At a bar? Yeah. At a place where children are or in a group meeting. I don't think a gay bar should allow anti-gay shirts. Or anything meant to start fights.
I think you should be allowed to protest companies just not on there property.
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Post by slappy on Jul 29, 2011 0:14:17 GMT -5
Yup, sure you can. It's free speech. If someone has a problem, that's their problem, nobody is forcing them to read the t-shirt or even look at the person wearing it. I think you are wrong. While YES you do have freedom of speech, the park also has the right to refuse service. So if you want to be all LESBIAN rights activist and wear shirts with lame/mean/hatefull messages on it go ahead. Just not in a family park. Or rather I should say a PRIVATELY OWNED family park. Really people who would wear a shirt like that to a family park have issues and just are DESPERATLY trying to get attention. So she got attention, from park staff, and they didnt think her shirt was cute, so she is throwing a hissy fit. Really I feel sorry for the park, now it will prob be swamped with complaints from other misguided gay and lesbians who think the park was gay bashing when really it was just trying to uphold a friendly peacefull FAMILY environment. FAMILY? I can capitalize it too. Gay couples can't have a family or do you mean straight families. Wouldn't want to offend the straight families. One of their kids saw that shirt, it might have turned them gay. The horror.
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Post by Kliquid on Jul 29, 2011 2:16:10 GMT -5
Not enough information. The way I see it is they shouldn't allow pro gay shirts. I also think they shouldn't allow anti-gay shirts. I think they shouldn't allow black power shirts or Anti Black shirts. I think they shouldn't allow shirts that could be found offensive to any race, gender, sexual orientation, age group or anything like it. At a bar? Yeah. At a place where children are or in a group meeting. I don't think a gay bar should allow anti-gay shirts. Or anything meant to start fights. I think you should be allowed to protest companies just not on there property. Your Daniel Bryan shirt offends me because he looks scary. See how ridiculous it can get? There just has to be more structure. That's why the first amendment works. It allows for expression. But at the same time, private organizations can kick you out of their establishment if they don't like how what you're wearing, how you're acting, how you smell, etc. Hahaha.
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Post by AONI on Jul 29, 2011 3:43:46 GMT -5
That shirt doesn't even make sense to me... What is the pun exactly? people who dont think gay is a slur (I for one) use the excuse that when they say it, they arent necessarily insulting a gay person because theyre gay. watch this video about the word homosexual so the joke echoes/ mocks (not clear to me) that sentiment while also referring to the fact that gays arent allowed to marry in most states i think, lol
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Post by wabarrett on Jul 29, 2011 7:53:43 GMT -5
Well, if the shirt was meant to be a joke (that some people could be offended by of course), then I say it should be allowed... as long as I'm allowed to wear a dumb shirt that reads 'Gay people are gay lol', or something to that effect. Otherwise it's one rule for them and one rule for everyone else.
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Post by KMIS™ on Jul 29, 2011 14:24:01 GMT -5
... well that's pretty gay.
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Post by K5 on Jul 29, 2011 14:44:21 GMT -5
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Post by Angel Beast on Jul 30, 2011 13:05:39 GMT -5
She better hope Hillary Duff doesn't find out about what her shirt says.
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Post by thedon0tto on Jul 31, 2011 15:37:33 GMT -5
Here we go. That is stupid she has everyone right to express hereself. There was nothing wrong with that shirt.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Jul 31, 2011 15:50:44 GMT -5
I think I'm missing the part where the park wasn't being inclusive of gay/lesbian/transgender families. My friend has the same shirt, and he's straight as an arrow. If the park asked him to reverse it, it wouldn't even be a story.
If the couple were asked to leave, or denied service, or treated in a fashion that could be described as abusive, that'd be one thing.
Also, "Help! Help! I'm being repressed!".
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Post by carling27 on Jul 31, 2011 20:23:48 GMT -5
LMAO! Yeah, that pretty much sums up my thoughts.
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Post by The Assassin on Jul 31, 2011 21:30:19 GMT -5
i think dollywood did the right thing. it's not the message/issue that is the problem, it's the controvesy/trouble it could invoke from other people in this specific environment that's the problem.
i'm not a homophobe and i doubt the majority of dollywood staff are either. BUT gay marriage is not fully accepted in society yet, that's a fact. so there would no doubt have been some people in the park that day who disagree with gay marriage, and would find the message of the shirt offensive, which could cause disagreements and trouble.
it's not about whether gay marriage is right or wrong. it's that a family theme park is not the place to the debate the issue or make such in-your-face bold statements in such an unavoidable way that is bound to cause trouble.
it would be the exact same if the t-shirt said "abortion is ok" or "christianity is lies" or "marriage is NOT for gay people".
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Post by Halloween King on Aug 1, 2011 2:30:45 GMT -5
I think you are wrong. While YES you do have freedom of speech, the park also has the right to refuse service. So if you want to be all LESBIAN rights activist and wear shirts with lame/mean/hatefull messages on it go ahead. Just not in a family park. Or rather I should say a PRIVATELY OWNED family park. Really people who would wear a shirt like that to a family park have issues and just are DESPERATLY trying to get attention. So she got attention, from park staff, and they didnt think her shirt was cute, so she is throwing a hissy fit. Really I feel sorry for the park, now it will prob be swamped with complaints from other misguided gay and lesbians who think the park was gay bashing when really it was just trying to uphold a friendly peacefull FAMILY environment. FAMILY? I can capitalize it too. Gay couples can't have a family or do you mean straight families. Wouldn't want to offend the straight families. One of their kids saw that shirt, it might have turned them gay. The horror. This is so lame. I never once said gay people cant have familys. When I said familys I meant all familys. Why play the "oh she's gay and they are hating on her for being gay" card? She wore an offensive shirt. Im glad they made her flip it inside out. Sure maybe the child of a gay couple might have a better understanding on what it is to be gay. But why force that issue on other babys? In one household it may be common place to say F this, F that, F everything, while in another household it is never heard. So by your logic since one household uses a certain word (in this case gay) every houshold should use it? No thank you Slappy, I dont want my kids saying F or knowing what gay means. Now if a child decides he/she may be gay let them find out on there own. Not because some lesbian is trying to force homosexuality into there small, developing, susceptible minds. Im sure a gay couple wouldnt want to see someone wearing shirts that say something like "A man and a woman is what a couple should be". Imagine if you will, me wearing a shirt like that in a gay outing/event/party. Im sure id be asked to leave, if not treated poorly. And Im sure gay couples would not want to explain why a man was wearing such a shirt or what the shirt meant to there children. Really though the issue here has nothing to do with her being gay. The issue here is rules you have to follow while in a privately owned park. Now aside form the O.P. explain to me slappy how it is right for a gay woman to demand equal rights and for her not to be harassed by "straight" people and yet she wears a shirt harassing the union of matrimony? Isn't that being a hipocrite? Why preach tolarence and understanding only to wear such a shirt? I dont mind you being gay, so please dont hate on marriage. Live and let live.
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 1, 2011 6:16:57 GMT -5
Not because some lesbian is trying to force homosexuality into there small, developing, susceptible minds. People aren't FORCED into homosexuality... This isn't some weird prison rape, this is real life. Now aside form the O.P. explain to me slappy how it is right for a gay woman to demand equal rights and for her not to be harassed by "straight" people and yet she wears a shirt harassing the union of matrimony? Isn't that being a hipocrite? Why preach tolarence and understanding only to wear such a shirt? I dont mind you being gay, so please dont hate on marriage. Live and let live. Do we even know that she was trying to "harass" marriage? Couldn't it be that she was essentially saying, "Gay people want to get married, too?"
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Aug 1, 2011 10:03:40 GMT -5
See, you broke all coherent reason when you stated that people "decide" to be gay.
But since we're on that subject, when did you "decide" to be straight?
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