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Post by Deep Figure Value on Nov 5, 2011 8:13:29 GMT -5
Nirvana Dinosaur Jr. Mudhoney Alice In Chains Pearl Jam to an extent Sonic Youth R.E.M. Miracle Legion Blind Melon. All bands that were made up of intelligent people who weren't just trying and desperate to make a buck. Bands who played whatever the  the wanted. And had were socially concious. There was a D.I.Y ethic and integrity to all of them. It's time for you to stop. You can rant and ramble all you want about the quality of music now vs. then, and I'll just ignore you, but you really made yourself look like an ignoramus by listing those bands and then talking about a "DIY Ethic". Every last one of them has been on a major label at one point, which completely voids any "DIY Ethic" you'd like to try and bestow upon them. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2011 9:06:55 GMT -5
You had me until you started trashing Rap. There are a ton of crappy Rock bands just like there are a ton of crappy Rap artists. You can say the same thing about Grunge - Oh, Grunge ruined good rock because you have all these wannabe-Grunge bands like Nickleback and Hinder and other stuff like that. Honestly, I think what it's come down to is either music just doesn't mean that much too people anymore, it has more of a "background" type of effect on people, or we will never have the days of one or two styles dominating the mainstream like in the 80's/90's because mainstream music is far too eclectic these days. Pretty much this. Music hasn't felt the same since the 90's ended. I get so sick of the crap people play these days. |
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Nov 5, 2011 9:41:31 GMT -5
Would you compare Katy Perry to John Lennon ^^^^^^^^^^^^? I'm not racist by any means. I just think its weird that alot of white kids are into black culture and hip hop more than they are Rock N Roll. I just don't get what so cool about the urban thing. All money and partying imo. I'm more mentally aware than that, thats why i liked Cobain. Just thought he had a sharp mind and was socially aware. Guns N Roses with a concious as alot of Euro mags called Nirvana, weird but gets the point across. I just like serious, singer songwriter, artsy music. Mark Mulcahy Thorne York Michael Stipe Katy is better than John Lennon though.  |
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Post by alexgg on Nov 5, 2011 10:41:24 GMT -5
There isn't really any music to me that I hate, If anything I might dislike the song but I won't go any further into it and just either avoid it... or simply accept its existence.
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Post by ß®å¢K$ßâ¢k on Nov 5, 2011 12:24:40 GMT -5
HAH...So by asking me that...You're saying that you're comparing Nirvana to John Lennon? Cobain has been compared to Lennon by Paul Mccartney dude, not to mention David Fricke at Rolling Stone who has great taste in music haha. Mccartney even called Kurt a genuis, like numerous other respected artists have. What great artist has Katy Perry ever been compared to? Who with merit has ever put her over as being anything more than the flavor of the month? You can't compare them like that though. And I'm sure Paul McCartney likes Katy Perry too. And if John Lennon was alive...He'd probably like her. And if Kurt Cobain was alive, he'd probably like her. It's like...WHEN did everyone say things about Cobain? Before he died? After he died? |
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Post by HoganBai on Nov 5, 2011 12:34:03 GMT -5
I wouldn't call you a racist, but you seem very, VERY scared of black/urban culture, hip hop etc, almost like something out of the 50's. As pointed out in this thread, most popular music today comes from black people in the 40's and 50's, spawning rock & roll (which in turn spawned all of your "DIY" bands) and modern rap. Most people get distracted by the beats of a song to pay attention to the words, because it might not have a guitar in it, however, they are still musicians; maybe not in the conventional sense, but it is real music, it has a massive audience, and like rock music - it has good and bad artists.
Also, nobody seems to mention the fact that The Beatles (just an example) were pretty much 4 Justin Bieber's in their day, and I'm pretty positive older people in that time would have called them shitty, a flash-in-the-pan rubbish act. However, now we appreciate them. I think the same might have even happened for Nirvana, it was young adults who made them big, and I think their would have been people older than their target audience who might have thought they were a bunch of talentless nobodies, and they want Pink Floyd/The Who etc. back.
It's all relative to time, again as somebody said, 80s pop music was probably considered garbage by music snobs in the day, and now it is looked upon fondly almost and "pop music today just isn't the same". Sorry to be blunt but you do seem like a big music snob (especially after quoting a Rolling Stone journalist and saying they have good taste - c'mon man!), and you definately seem very closed off to rap music. God help your future children if they ever brought a black significant other home...
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Post by wccwfan4life on Nov 5, 2011 12:53:27 GMT -5
Nirvana Dinosaur Jr. Mudhoney Alice In Chains Pearl Jam to an extent Sonic Youth R.E.M. Miracle Legion Blind Melon. All bands that were made up of intelligent people who weren't just trying and desperate to make a buck. Bands who played whatever the the wanted. And had were socially concious. There was a D.I.Y ethic and integrity to all of them. It's time for you to stop. You can rant and ramble all you want about the quality of music now vs. then, and I'll just ignore you, but you really made yourself look like an ignoramus by listing those bands and then talking about a "DIY Ethic". Every last one of them has been on a major label at one point, which completely voids any "DIY Ethic" you'd like to try and bestow upon them. They signed and they left those same labels and are back to doing it on their own. The D.I.Y. does not get voided as soon as you sign to a major. Not everybody uses a major to do all of their work. All of the artistic stuff was still done soley by the bands. Signing with a major label is only a negative thing if it affects the heart. History shows us with In Utero than Nirvana did not give a crapabout their labels opinion. |
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Post by TurboEddie on Nov 5, 2011 13:06:46 GMT -5
I completely agree with you. The majority of today's "artists" are lazy, as far as their music goes; which is why I still listen to the same bands I grew up listening to in the 90's. It seems like all anyone cares about these days is their image. Making music is their last priority.
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Post by Johnny on Nov 5, 2011 13:08:40 GMT -5
Don't be an elitist prick. Everyone has their own taste, if you can let yourself accept that, you'll wind up a lot happier and your taste in music will expand rapidly.
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Post by wccwfan4life on Nov 5, 2011 13:14:11 GMT -5
Cobain has been compared to Lennon by Paul Mccartney dude, not to mention David Fricke at Rolling Stone who has great taste in music haha. Mccartney even called Kurt a genuis, like numerous other respected artists have. What great artist has Katy Perry ever been compared to? Who with merit has ever put her over as being anything more than the flavor of the month? You can't compare them like that though. And I'm sure Paul McCartney likes Katy Perry too. And if John Lennon was alive...He'd probably like her. And if Kurt Cobain was alive, he'd probably like her. It's like...WHEN did everyone say things about Cobain? Before he died? After he died? Why would these deep intellectuals respect or like the girl whos biggest contribution to music is '' i kissed a girl'' ? Think about it. Some quotes about Cobain He really didn't care about a lot of things that you're supposed to care about in the public arena. He really just didn't care. Kurt Loder In his way, he was the closest equivalent this decade and this generation of rock fans had to a John Lennon, and I don't make that comparison easily or impulsively. David Fricke He had a touch most guitarists would kill for. Chuck Berry The only person I have any respect for as a songwriter over the last 10 years is Kurt Cobain. He was the perfect cross between Lennon and McCartney...but he was a miserable at the same time. Noel Gallagher (Oasis) He really, really inspired me. He was so great. Wonderful. One of the best, but more than that. Kurt was one of the absolute best of all time for me. Neil Young That kid had heart. Bob Dylan He was a genius. Paul McCartney I want to see you pull some quotes from the same type of respected legendary artists talking up Katy's talent. |
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Post by wccwfan4life on Nov 5, 2011 13:18:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't call you a racist, but you seem very, VERY scared of black/urban culture, hip hop etc, almost like something out of the 50's. As pointed out in this thread, most popular music today comes from black people in the 40's and 50's, spawning rock & roll (which in turn spawned all of your "DIY" bands) and modern rap. Most people get distracted by the beats of a song to pay attention to the words, because it might not have a guitar in it, however, they are still musicians; maybe not in the conventional sense, but it is real music, it has a massive audience, and like rock music - it has good and bad artists. Also, nobody seems to mention the fact that The Beatles (just an example) were pretty much 4 Justin Bieber's in their day, and I'm pretty positive older people in that time would have called them poopty, a flash-in-the-pan rubbish act. However, now we appreciate them. I think the same might have even happened for Nirvana, it was young adults who made them big, and I think their would have been people older than their target audience who might have thought they were a bunch of talentless nobodies, and they want Pink Floyd/The Who etc. back. It's all relative to time, again as somebody said, 80s pop music was probably considered garbage by music snobs in the day, and now it is looked upon fondly almost and "pop music today just isn't the same". Sorry to be blunt but you do seem like a big music snob (especially after quoting a Rolling Stone journalist and saying they have good taste - c'mon man!), and you definately seem very closed off to rap music. God help your future children if they ever brought a black significant other home... The beatles were heart throb teen idols but to say that musically they were a simple and dumb as ing Bieber is silly. Go from '' Meet the Beatles up to Sgt. Peppers and tell me they weren't serious artists. Even their bubblegum crapwas really good. Beiber's music is awful, ing awful. Music isn't music without a guitar, drums, and bass people! People just aren't picky enough anymore. 80s pop did suck, i never said it didn't. But compare Benetar and Cyndi to Perry and Gaga and they look like amazing  |
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Post by Adam on Nov 5, 2011 13:56:27 GMT -5
...all those Cobain quotes are in the past tense. Where are quotes from when he was alive?
I'm not debating the quality of lyrics. I don't think there's any doubt that he put more into writing than Katy Perry does, but his image has benefited tremendously from his death. He wouldn't be revered this much if he were still alive.
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Post by wccwfan4life on Nov 5, 2011 14:01:25 GMT -5
^^^^^^^^^^^^
The sad thing is, he was revered when he was alive. Michaels Stipe, Steven Tyler, Neil Young, all tried to jam with him and help him out. Bob Dylan and Iggy Pop both went to Nirvana shows and complimented Kurt. Kurt was personal friends with a few of those guys. He was offered to collobarate with alot of guys. He just turned them down for whatever reason. Didn't want to leave the house most of the time.
Read some Rolling Stones or even Spin/NME'S from 1991-1994. No shortage of Cobain praise from big name Rock N Roll guys. Shame it didn't boost his self esteem abit then.
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Post by Suckasays on Nov 5, 2011 14:06:51 GMT -5
...all those Cobain quotes are in the past tense. Where are quotes from when he was alive? I'm not debating the quality of lyrics. I don't think there's any doubt that he put more into writing than Katy Perry does, but his image has benefited tremendously from his death. He wouldn't be revered this much if he were still alive. Agree completely. Regardless of what anyone says, while somewhat popular, Nirvana was nowhere near as popular of a band during their time as most people tend to think they were. I remember full well that Pearl Jam and Alice n Chains seemed to be most peoples flavor of the grunge bands back when that movement started. The thing I hear most people say about Nirvana when they came out was "wow...you never see that guys face" or "What the heck is he saying??" This was all after Smells Like Teen Spirit came out. They had a lot of fans. But it was NOWHERE NEAR what people make it out to be. |
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Post by wccwfan4life on Nov 5, 2011 14:13:34 GMT -5
...all those Cobain quotes are in the past tense. Where are quotes from when he was alive? I'm not debating the quality of lyrics. I don't think there's any doubt that he put more into writing than Katy Perry does, but his image has benefited tremendously from his death. He wouldn't be revered this much if he were still alive. Agree completely. Regardless of what anyone says, while somewhat popular, Nirvana was nowhere near as popular of a band during their time as most people tend to think they were. I remember full well that Pearl Jam and Alice n Chains seemed to be most peoples flavor of the grunge bands back when that movement started. The thing I hear most people say about Nirvana when they came out was "wow...you never see that guys face" or "What the heck is he saying??" This was all after Smells Like Teen Spirit came out. They had a lot of fans. But it was NOWHERE NEAR what people make it out to be. Wrong. Alot of music fans were actually annoyed by Nirvana's presence because the radio and mtv gave them so much airplay. Kurt even questioned MTV's constant rotation of the Nevermind videos. Kurt was on every damn Rock Magazine there was from 1991-1994, even some in 1995. Alice In Chains and Pearl Jams fans were complaining that Cobain was MTV's golden boy. They made it that way, DGC records made sure Nirvana and Kurt were everywhere in those peak years. It was actually something alot of alternative fans disliked, because other talented bands got lost in the shuffle. So i totally think your wrong here. I'm actually one of the people who wish the machine would have focused on other great bands like Dinosaur Jr. and Mudhoney. Even Alice In Chains got the shaft in 93-94 and Pearl Jam took alot of backlash over Cobain's comments on their integrity. The money machine was way behind Cobain in the early 90s, his death may have given him some steam but not much more than when he was alive. It was abit much how the media focused on Kurt and later Courtney in 1992-1993, alternative music really lost alot of steam. |
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Post by HoganBai on Nov 5, 2011 14:30:25 GMT -5
I wouldn't call you a racist, but you seem very, VERY scared of black/urban culture, hip hop etc, almost like something out of the 50's. As pointed out in this thread, most popular music today comes from black people in the 40's and 50's, spawning rock & roll (which in turn spawned all of your "DIY" bands) and modern rap. Most people get distracted by the beats of a song to pay attention to the words, because it might not have a guitar in it, however, they are still musicians; maybe not in the conventional sense, but it is real music, it has a massive audience, and like rock music - it has good and bad artists. Also, nobody seems to mention the fact that The Beatles (just an example) were pretty much 4 Justin Bieber's in their day, and I'm pretty positive older people in that time would have called them poopty, a flash-in-the-pan rubbish act. However, now we appreciate them. I think the same might have even happened for Nirvana, it was young adults who made them big, and I think their would have been people older than their target audience who might have thought they were a bunch of talentless nobodies, and they want Pink Floyd/The Who etc. back. It's all relative to time, again as somebody said, 80s pop music was probably considered garbage by music snobs in the day, and now it is looked upon fondly almost and "pop music today just isn't the same". Sorry to be blunt but you do seem like a big music snob (especially after quoting a Rolling Stone journalist and saying they have good taste - c'mon man!), and you definately seem very closed off to rap music. God help your future children if they ever brought a black significant other home... The beatles were heart throb teen idols but to say that musically they were a simple and dumb as ing Bieber is silly. Go from '' Meet the Beatles up to Sgt. Peppers and tell me they weren't serious artists. Even their bubblegum poop was really good. Beiber's music is awful, ing awful. Music isn't music without a guitar, drums, and bass people! People just aren't picky enough anymore. 80s pop did suck, i never said it didn't. But compare Benetar and Cyndi to Perry and Gaga and they look like amazing Why don't you point to me where I called The Beatles simple and dumb? You can't, because I didn't, infact I didn't say ANYTHING about The Beatles' music, did I? I did say that people probably thought of them the way people think of Justin Bieber now. Why? This was new music at the time, not like it was in the past, not "real" music (keep in mind before this there was big bands and jazz; rock music was still very much in its infancy) and young girls ADORED them. Sound familiar to you? I love The Beatles, but I'm saying your viewpoint is waaaaayyyy skewed. "They look like amazing"? What the does that mean? Not the only bit of bullcrapthere, you used Pat Benetar & Cyndi Lauper to prove your point? Really? "Girls Just Want To Have Fun" and "Hit Me With Your Best Shot" are your examples of fine pop music, and you're criticising "I Kissed a Girl"? And against GAGA? I'm no Gaga-fanboy, but the girl writes her own music, plays the piano amongst other instruments, helps to produce her own music and it is ridiculous to try and say she isn't a musician. I'm done with you, you are way too close-minded (not just about music, but seemingly pop-culture today), and are stuck in the past, and seemingly don't want to discover awesome music that IS out their today if you bother to look. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2011 14:34:02 GMT -5
Music is subjective anyway; it's actually people like you that gives it a bad name fan wise because you do not let people like what they like. Comments like "Music isn't music without a guitar, drums, and bass people!" and "People just aren't picky enough anymore." just show you aren't the very least intelligent when discussing music, let alone you posting your dislike of urban culture, making a terrible generalization. I listen to artists like Beatles and Bob Dylan on occasion. I also listen to Gaga, Katy, etc. I listen to many genres, I just finished listening to a indie rock/pop band's album and it's one of my favorite albums (which is rare because I'm more of a individual song person). If I don't like someone like say Soulja Boy, I don't go saying every he sucks, I just don't listen to it, and is IS possible not to listen to someone you aren't fond of because I do it all the time. You seem like one of those people who go "THIS SHOULD BE MAINSTREAM" and if it does, you flipflop on them claiming they suck.
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Post by Happy Pizza on Nov 5, 2011 15:00:39 GMT -5
Music isn't music without a guitar, drums, and bass people! So, uhh...what exactly did they call it then before the advent of the four-piece band? Man, I don't know what that Beethoven clown was doing, but it sure as hell wasn't music! If you want real music you better listen to Blind Melon. That's true genius! |
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Post by ß®å¢K$ßâ¢k on Nov 5, 2011 15:15:02 GMT -5
...all those Cobain quotes are in the past tense. Where are quotes from when he was alive? I'm not debating the quality of lyrics. I don't think there's any doubt that he put more into writing than Katy Perry does, but his image has benefited tremendously from his death. He wouldn't be revered this much if he were still alive. Which is what I was getting at. The only reason why people still talk about him is because he's dead. Music isn't music without a guitar, drums, and bass people! So, uhh...what exactly did they call it then before the advent of the four-piece band? Man, I don't know what that Beethoven clown was doing, but it sure as hell wasn't music! If you want real music you better listen to Blind Melon. That's true genius!Lol...That's hilarious! |
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Post by Rule 30 on Nov 5, 2011 15:25:42 GMT -5
I just feel like every song that comes out today is about sex.
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I dont know good luck 
