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Post by IwasULTIMATE!!!! on Jan 9, 2012 20:13:55 GMT -5
I know Mattel says that lack of interest killed Defining Moments, Entrance Greats and the Legends line. Doesn't the fault really lie with WWE? They do nothing to educate the younger generation of WWE fans and Their NXT and Superstars being stream only is a joke. How are superstars from the "B" and "C" shows going to get any kind of exposure when they are stuck on shows with horrible time slots and being only available to view on WWE.com? Same with Legends, there should have been at least a website (wwe-owned of course) that has videos or older PPV's, bios, and all that good stuff that can get the younger crowd appreciating (and being informed) about the wrestling of past. I think that's why the said lines have failed (IMO). There's no media at all to create that demand. What do you all think?
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Post by MachoManiac on Jan 9, 2012 20:22:26 GMT -5
obviously i agree and also think wwe needs to do a better job with their legends / tape library..
but wwegreatestmatches.com ( formerly wwe classics) is awesome brother i pay the measly $4 a month to sign in and watch old footage along with WWE on demand on cable tv which is my fav thing to watch on tv..
PLUS i can tell you that a few times a week there is an article or two on wwe.com about legends or containing legends.. for ex.: today is an article by " THE FINK" Howard Finkel discussing the first 5 Royal Rumble ppvs 88-92 with a video clip of a highlight for ea year.. incl.: 89 eruption of the MEGA POWERS! and 91 warrior loses the wwf belt to the iraq sympathizer Sgt Slaughter
i do agree with u , but i hope i showed what wwe is doing and that many of u should sign up for the website or cable channel cause it rocks..
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Post by Midnight on Jan 9, 2012 20:22:34 GMT -5
True but hopefully with the WWE network there will be no more problems like that because theyre going to put alot of different shows on there
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Post by Affliction: Elite Trader on Jan 9, 2012 20:23:10 GMT -5
to be honest, i really think that the failure lies with mattels price point. they put out a nice product but it's way steep. i just started collecting elites and legends because i sold off my jakks collection and i'm now buying and trading for mattels through the classifieds. i understand that collector's will pay the high prices but a middle class parent/student/whoever might not be able to shell out all the money for a full series, especially when they're pumping them out so fast.
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Post by Cammi Oh on Jan 9, 2012 20:33:48 GMT -5
Another problem (the one that I had) was that a lot of collectors already had MOST every classic superstar made. Jakks delivered a LOT of Classic figures. I had all of them. I did NOT want to start a new collection. It took me until this past May to start getting into Mattels. I think a lot of other holdouts are now finally getting in to Legends. Am I wrong or are there others on the board here that just recently switched or started collecting?
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Post by lestial12 on Jan 9, 2012 20:36:30 GMT -5
Wow are you serious? WWEclassics.com. WrestleMania, Royal Rumble, Summer Slam and Survivor Series anthologies are available on dvd, Best of King of the Ring, Starrcade, and Monday Nitro dvds, greatest stars of the 80s, 90s and 00s as well as top 50 stars of all time dvds. I can't count how many different outlets there are for new fans to learn about stars of yesterday. Hell the internet is at kids fingertips now, go on WWE.com and check out their alumni and hall of fame pages. Its price, economic climate and questionable attires. $25 for Dms is just too much.
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Post by IwasULTIMATE!!!! on Jan 9, 2012 20:42:22 GMT -5
Wow are you serious? WWEclassics.com. WrestleMania, Royal Rumble, Summer Slam and Survivor Series anthologies are available on dvd, Best of King of the Ring, Starrcade, and Monday Nitro dvds, greatest stars of the 80s, 90s and 00s as well as top 50 stars of all time dvds. I can't count how many different outlets there are for new fans to learn about stars of yesterday. Hell the internet is at kids fingertips now, go on WWE.com and check out their alumni and hall of fame pages. Its price, economic climate and questionable attires. $25 for Dms is just too much. But nothing is being done on TV. Sure they have commercials and ads for said dvds but if a parent or kid can't afford a $15-25 figure, what makes you think they will shell out the same for a DVD? And as far as I can tell, they don't advertise for WWEClassics.com
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Post by jfinnomore on Jan 9, 2012 20:44:06 GMT -5
this would make sense if Jakk's Classic line wasn't such a success, obviously there is problems other than kids not knowing who certain guys are.
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Post by LA Times on Jan 9, 2012 20:55:35 GMT -5
The fault lies in the price, economy and some of the wrestlers released. Why werent the Rockers released as a retail Legends pack? When I think of legendary tag teams, The Bushwhackers and Iron Sheik & Nikolai Volkoff sure as hell do not come to mind.
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Post by The-Rock on Jan 9, 2012 21:05:25 GMT -5
The issue was that no one, except hardcore collectors, is willing to spend a minimum of $22 on 1 figure. It's just a slight upgrade from the Elite Series. I can tell you that even if I had collected mattel like I did when I was a kid (bought multiples, only bought stuff at retail, didn't trade/sell stuff, etc) pretty much none of those would have interested me except maybe Macho Man or Bret Hart.
Consider a modern "defining moment". Something like CM Punk in MITB attire with maybe 2 shirts, a nexus armband, a WWE championship belt, and a mic. Is that really worth the extra $$ vs. a regular Elite
At a place like k-mart, you could get one of those basic 3-packs for the price of 1 DM. Too me, that makes the line obsolete.
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Post by weatherfan15 on Jan 9, 2012 22:43:20 GMT -5
The fault lies squarely on the shoulders of Mattel. It baffles me as to how badly they've messed up such a slam dunk. Mattel really should be embarrassed, and honestly, they might want to change some personnel around. Clearly whoever makes decisions on this stuff is clueless.
Jakks kicked ass with legends. Mattel had it's ass kicked. It's a shame because the figures (new and legends) have been pretty good from a quality standpoint. I think they're finally figuring it out slowly, but it shouldn't have taken this long. I think they refuse to accept blame or recognize the significance of the failure. I say that because those of us who have criticized them on this forum have been responded to by what I consider the attitude of a scolded child. They got their ass kicked and they got upset with the collectors instead of themselves.
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Post by wwefan22 on Jan 9, 2012 23:18:59 GMT -5
Well, that is why we have the wwe network coming. If WWE wanted to make a site to push older legends on ppl, ppl might as well just search it on google if they want to know who someone is. If kids who are fans of the wwe have not researched older videos after watching wwe for 2 years, then they obviously have no interest in older wrestling before there generation. I know i didnt have interest in the 1970's wrestling. Even after learning about superstars history from early years It still made no difference or impact on whether i bought there merch or not.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jan 9, 2012 23:34:33 GMT -5
Nope. The failure of certain Mattel lines is strictly on the shoulders of the PRICE of the figures.
Jakks Classic Superstars line was a huge success and they did it for 8 years with a much more obscure list of characters at certain points.
Mattel couldn't keep a Legends line alive for 18 months because nobody is going to pay $22+ for a figure of that size regardless of the accessories.
And also, Mattel shot itself in the foot trying to be too different from Jakks and they gave us some characters in attires that were not what they were most known for or their most popular look.
But the price at the end of the day is why these lines failed. Just too expensive to buy every guy. So people pick and choose, and naturally the less popular characters are going to be left to warm the shelves.
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Post by chillax on Jan 10, 2012 0:16:09 GMT -5
I don't think the fault is the WWE's or the price point. I think it's that Mattel always wants to sell bazillions and bazillions of figures and it's just not a realistic expectation, in this economy, or any economy. How come Jakks lasted 28 series, until the end of their contract, and Mattel couldn't even make it last longer than 2 years or 6 series?
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Post by dsvoboda41 on Jan 10, 2012 0:50:44 GMT -5
As many have said, the price of DM were simply just too high. Enough said
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 1:51:03 GMT -5
This is a subject I'm very passionate about. It would have been a DREAM job for me to work for Mattel and do great things for this line. I'm very happy they've made what they made so far, but the line has sunk for many reasons. who knows which one is the one thats the most at fault here.
Most of you said them all so far, but here are my biggest reasons:
1) High Prices (for sure an issue, economy gets worse since jakks, and fig prices go up? DM at TRUS are $26.99, thats almost $30 after taxes for one figure).
2) Jakks already Wore out the line. Jakks was the 1st to make 6 inchers of an AWESOME Legends line. And many put thier all into collecting them. Hard to recreate the same greatness in anything sometimes. Many of those same 1000's of fans/collectors may not be willing or able to do it all over again. Some too poor, some been there done that basically.
3) Fig choices. If Mattel wanted the capitol they were lookin for, they need to start much smarter or not expect such big things right off the bat. Jakks really started cookin around series 6, then everyone wanted the 1st few series, and series 1 were on ebay for tons. I remember Andre's, Shawns, and Bret's on clearance that 1st yr they came out. It took a little while to get the line goin. Sgt outfit, Snuka oufit, Jake outfit, Dusty polka dot, Pillman, Vader. All poor choices IMO. They should have realized the line will take a bit to get goin without (Hogan, Bret, Andre, Warrior, Shawn, etc) to start it off. HORRIBLE Tag Team VChoices for q1st series, and they dont even try again, KNOWING Those were Horrible Choices. Shoulda straight up copied Jakks, LOD, HARTS, Rockers for series #1.
4) as thread starter said, no help promoting legends. Not go out and buy a dvd or order wwe classics, but a weekly legends show on FREE TV. FREE TV, thats whats gets the millions of eyes. Mattel should be workin with wwe on this. A exclusive wwe legends website & 2 hr legends of the wwe tv show. after raw/smackdown maybe. have legends still alive guest hosting, commercials with the figs. the figs on a table in front of the hosts (like they used to do with hasbro). could help with everything wwe legend sales (T's, dvds).
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Post by maske2g on Jan 10, 2012 6:57:59 GMT -5
You guys seem to forget, as always, that us collectors are very much the minority of the target market of action figures.
They make thousands of each figure, but there just aren't thousands of us collectors. There are however hundreds of thousands of kids into wrestling.
These kids aren't interested in figures of wrestlers from 20+ years ago.
I understand that. Put yourself in a ten year olds shoes.
When I was 10, my parents could only buy so many figures, what was I going to get if I had a choice? The Hasbro Legion of Doom 2 pack? Or the (theoretical) Pedro Morales?
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Post by JC Motors on Jan 10, 2012 11:06:23 GMT -5
Yeah It's Mattel's fault when It comes to price point. Also Remember that Jakks CS line were not elite bodied like Mattel Legends so hence the higher price point.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 11:08:13 GMT -5
Hello everybody, first time poster. I think that the combination of both WWE and Mattel are to blame for the Legends line failure. I think that it would have been a far greater success if the WWE would have allowed some of there current roster legendary superstars like the Undertaker and Kane to have been in the legends line from the start. It would have been more appealing to both generations. I also believe that the road warriors and rockers should have been in series one of the legends 2 packs. These lines needed both needed big time names right from the start. Why did we have 2 Iron Sheik figures right away. I'm happy we got one but, that was a big mistake in my opinion. As a legends collector I am happy that we are continuing to get great quality legends figures even though they are few and far between. It could have been so much more with better line selections and the right attires.
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Post by mrhoss on Jan 10, 2012 11:35:04 GMT -5
You guys seem to forget, as always, that us collectors are very much the minority of the target market of action figures. They make thousands of each figure, but there just aren't thousands of us collectors. There are however hundreds of thousands of kids into wrestling. These kids aren't interested in figures of wrestlers from 20+ years ago. I understand that. Put yourself in a ten year olds shoes. When I was 10, my parents could only buy so many figures, what was I going to get if I had a choice? The Hasbro Legion of Doom 2 pack? Or the (theoretical) Pedro Morales? Kids vs Collectors has been the most debated topic over the last 20 years. I think the kids are losing. I just don't see them buying or wanting action figures anymore. TRU is a ghost town 10 months of the year. The toy companies have to either accept the collectors, design a hot figure that attracts the kids, or close their figure divisions. And of course the collectors have to stop whining about $15 - $20 figures. The way I see it, I buy about 400 wwe figures a year. The average non collector buys, what, maybe 10 a year? Therefore I equal 40 non collectors.
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