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Post by JokerFC on Jun 6, 2017 5:26:58 GMT -5
And yet HH94 is their best match IMO and pretty dramatic. But yeah Hogan's paranoia over his character wrecked the Flair & Vader programs.
In 1998 Savage was as guilty as Hogan though in politicking. Savage should have been Stings first challenger/victim from the nWo while they built the Hogan rematch. NOT the guy who dominated Nitro programming and Hogan's attention after Starrcade.
I mean Sting is the guy who effin beat Hogan but its Savage who is preoccupying his time? FFS. rubbish.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 19:17:06 GMT -5
Looking back it was always all about Hogan and Savage. I like both, but you talk about paranoia over their spots lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 12:16:28 GMT -5
Wasn't Savage ran over by a car leading up to his Spring Stampede match?
And he still beat Sting?
What a great way to make what was arguably your top babyface not named Goldberg look strong.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 18:16:55 GMT -5
And yet HH94 is their best match IMO and pretty dramatic. But yeah Hogan's paranoia over his character wrecked the Flair & Vader programs. In 1998 Savage was as guilty as Hogan though in politicking. Savage should have been Stings first challenger/victim from the nWo while they built the Hogan rematch. NOT the guy who dominated Nitro programming and Hogan's attention after Starrcade. I mean Sting is the guy who effin beat Hogan but its Savage who is preoccupying his time? FFS. rubbish. I will never forgive Hogan for basically killing the Vader character in WCW.
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Post by mikey1974 on Jun 23, 2017 20:35:27 GMT -5
And yet HH94 is their best match IMO and pretty dramatic. But yeah Hogan's paranoia over his character wrecked the Flair & Vader programs. In 1998 Savage was as guilty as Hogan though in politicking. Savage should have been Stings first challenger/victim from the nWo while they built the Hogan rematch. NOT the guy who dominated Nitro programming and Hogan's attention after Starrcade. I mean Sting is the guy who effin beat Hogan but its Savage who is preoccupying his time? FFS. rubbish. I will never forgive Hogan for basically killing the Vader character in WCW. Nothing will ever beat Vader losing the Uncensored 95 strap match to Hogan by having Ric Flair in drag getting pulled to all 4 corners instead of Vader. Nothing.
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 4, 2017 12:55:33 GMT -5
And yet HH94 is their best match IMO and pretty dramatic. But yeah Hogan's paranoia over his character wrecked the Flair & Vader programs. In 1998 Savage was as guilty as Hogan though in politicking. Savage should have been Stings first challenger/victim from the nWo while they built the Hogan rematch. NOT the guy who dominated Nitro programming and Hogan's attention after Starrcade. I mean Sting is the guy who effin beat Hogan but its Savage who is preoccupying his time? FFS. rubbish. I will never forgive Hogan for basically killing the Vader character in WCW. On Vaders 1st RF shoot(before he was neutered by Vince) he speaks at length about his Hogan & HBK programmes.....the dude seemed genuinely distressed. The HBK programme was worse. Vader was booked to RUN FROM HBK. Chew that one over.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 9:37:27 GMT -5
Do we even have definitive info on the debacle from Starrcade 97?
We know Sting was messed up
We know Hogan and the politics
But... wtf happened out there? Hogan pinned Sting CLEAN
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Post by koreygunz on Jul 8, 2017 20:40:00 GMT -5
Nick Patrick was on a shoot interview recently and basically said Sting told him to fast count, Hogan said regular count, and he could never find Bischoff to tell him what he was actually supposed to do because, at least it sounded to me, that Eric didn't want to stand up to Hogan
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 10:26:37 GMT -5
Nick Patrick was on a shoot interview recently and basically said Sting told him to fast count, Hogan said regular count, and he could never find Bischoff to tell him what he was actually supposed to do because, at least it sounded to me, that Eric didn't want to stand up to Hogan It was a regular count, best I recall? Sting didn't kick out tho so was he supposed to? Or was he thinking he would be fast counted?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 11:01:39 GMT -5
Nick Patrick was on a shoot interview recently and basically said Sting told him to fast count, Hogan said regular count, and he could never find Bischoff to tell him what he was actually supposed to do because, at least it sounded to me, that Eric didn't want to stand up to Hogan Even Nick Patrick should've known that Bret was gonna come down and bitch about it being a "fast count"...even though it wasn't. ..a true pro would've done the fast count. Hogan and Eric. I'm a Hogan fan btw.
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Post by PJ on Jul 11, 2017 13:36:33 GMT -5
From what people say Nick Patrick said in the shoot it sounds like the plan was it was supposed to be a fast count, but Hogan told him otherwise.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Jul 20, 2017 21:03:25 GMT -5
It was suppose to be a fast count by Patrick but Hulk got him to do a normal count. The rumor was that Hogan paid him to do a normal count but only two people would really know that and we know Hogan ain't saying anything.
But by doing this Bret was made to look like a fool when he came out.
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Post by wheeljack83 on Feb 18, 2018 1:17:28 GMT -5
Bischoff and Hogan seem to blame it on Sting not being in good shape and going through personal issues at the time.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Oct 3, 2018 9:44:16 GMT -5
I will never forgive Hogan for basically killing the Vader character in WCW. Nothing will ever beat Vader losing the Uncensored 95 strap match to Hogan by having Ric Flair in drag getting pulled to all 4 corners instead of Vader. Nothing. OMG Wcw did this crap all the time. I remember in one match somebody ran down for a run in and they got pinned to end the match. They weren’t even IN the match
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Post by MKSavage on Oct 29, 2018 12:14:51 GMT -5
It was suppose to be a fast count by Patrick but Hulk got him to do a normal count. The rumor was that Hogan paid him to do a normal count but only two people would really know that and we know Hogan ain't saying anything. But by doing this Bret was made to look like a fool when he came out.Agreed. Not only complaining about the fast count. But being at the announce table so quickly after the count, made it look like Bret was screwing Hogan. Bad all around.
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Post by JokerFC on Oct 31, 2018 5:49:48 GMT -5
It was suppose to be a fast count by Patrick but Hulk got him to do a normal count. The rumor was that Hogan paid him to do a normal count but only two people would really know that and we know Hogan ain't saying anything. But by doing this Bret was made to look like a fool when he came out.Agreed. Not only complaining about the fast count. But being at the announce table so quickly after the count, made it look like Bret was screwing Hogan. Bad all around. Yup. The entire episode was just a clusterf*ck. Dreadful way to introduce Hart on their biggest ever PPV too. Its just incredibly bad. The rematch @ Superbrawl was better BUT Sting was just a cog in the Hogan vs Savage storyline. awful lads.
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Post by MKSavage on Oct 31, 2018 8:53:06 GMT -5
Agreed. Not only complaining about the fast count. But being at the announce table so quickly after the count, made it look like Bret was screwing Hogan. Bad all around. Yup. The entire episode was just a clusterf*ck. Dreadful way to introduce Hart on their biggest ever PPV too. Its just incredibly bad. The rematch @ Superbrawl was better BUT Sting was just a cog in the Hogan vs Savage storyline. awful lads. True, especially after the pop he got from the crowd when he attacked Scott Hall and put him in the Sharpshooter. WCW really did a horrible job with Bret. Especially when they kept turning him face one week and heel the next. It seemed like every other nitro or thunder he was turning on someone. Bret could have worked as a heel or face in the company, they just needed to pick one and go with it. Also didn't help that the first feud they put him in was with Ric Flair who was probably at that time the 2nd most popular face in the company behind Sting, not a good way to try to get Bret Hart over as a face - beating Ric Flair in Ric Flair country. Also, it was unbelievable how bad they messed the biggest match-up (Sting vs. Hogan at Starrcade) during that time when the build-up was done so well.
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Post by JokerFC on Oct 31, 2018 18:21:30 GMT -5
Yup. The entire episode was just a clusterf*ck. Dreadful way to introduce Hart on their biggest ever PPV too. Its just incredibly bad. The rematch @ Superbrawl was better BUT Sting was just a cog in the Hogan vs Savage storyline. awful lads. True, especially after the pop he got from the crowd when he attacked Scott Hall and put him in the Sharpshooter. WCW really did a horrible job with Bret. Especially when they kept turning him face one week and heel the next. It seemed like every other nitro or thunder he was turning on someone. Bret could have worked as a heel or face in the company, they just needed to pick one and go with it. Also didn't help that the first feud they put him in was with Ric Flair who was probably at that time the 2nd most popular face in the company behind Sting, not a good way to try to get Bret Hart over as a face - beating Ric Flair in Ric Flair country. Also, it was unbelievable how bad they messed the biggest match-up (Sting vs. Hogan at Starrcade) during that time when the build-up was done so well. For my Money.....Hogan has been involved in 3 of the biggest built matches of all time in wrestling. Vs Andre....Vs Savage & Vs Sting Vince delivered in spades with the first 2. Bischoff sh*t the bed with the last one. Still Incredible to me.
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Post by k5 on Dec 14, 2018 20:33:55 GMT -5
Bischoff and Conrad just had an excellent podcast on Starrcade 97 and the fast count debacle. worth checking out. bischoff dodges bullets of course, blaming Sting’s incompetence due to drug use as his main reasoning behind changing the finish. yeesh
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Post by koreygunz on Dec 17, 2018 11:56:38 GMT -5
Bischoff is full of it if he wants us to believe that the finish wasnt changed to "keep Hogan strong." Regardless of if he had doubts about Sting's ability to carry the title that night, they still put the belt on him, so why not send the fans home happy, put him over strong as was the supposed original plan and then figure the rest out later? They obviously didnt have faith in him long term since his title reign was so sub-par anyway, and Hogan had the title back by April. Bischoff even says that Sting seemed to think he was going to get screwed somehow at the end of all this build up- and turns out he was right!
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