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Post by Scotty on Mar 11, 2013 13:32:27 GMT -5
with Rivera gone next year, is it safe to say Robertson would be the new closer? I can't think of any closers that'd be in the market
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 11, 2013 13:43:25 GMT -5
with Rivera gone next year, is it safe to say Robertson would be the new closer? I can't think of any closers that'd be in the market Maybe. He'd have to improve to be the closer though. Based on what I've seen from David Robertson in save situations, I have not been impressed. As an 8th inning guy, David Robertson is a strike thrower, a quick worker, and strikes out batters at a high rate. In his outings so far going for saves, he's struggled. He's worked slowly, had difficulty throwing strikes, been unable to put batters away, and given up a lot of hits and walks. He also has throw a LOT of pitches in his save opportunities so far.....unless he's able to keep it under 25 as a closer, you wouldn't be able to use him 2 days in a row. He's like a different guy in the 8th and 9th.....some guys just don't have the stones to close. Robertson, from what I've seen, doesn't look to me like a guy who's got the makeup to be a closer. Again, this could all change with more opportunities and practice....but as of right now if something happened to Mo, I wouldn't feel comfortable with Robertson. I guess it would have to be David Aardsma, since at least he's closed before and been successful, but hes still coming back from Tommy John and isn't at full capacity yet. This is why the Yankees were stupid to let Soriano go......we all knew this was going to be Mo's last year. If they had signed Soriano to a 3 year deal, we'd have Soriano guaranteed to be the closer for 2014 and 2015, and maybe even 2013 if something happens to Rivera this year. Right now, the Yankees are operating without a safety net. The Yankees signed Soriano as insurance for Rivera when Rivera was 40 and 100% healthy......but 43 and coming off a horrific injury, the Yankees decided Soriano was no longer needed? I'm still confused by this.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Mar 11, 2013 13:50:04 GMT -5
Honestly, Ralpho is kind of right on this one. Closers are not that terribly hard to come by.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Mar 11, 2013 14:16:53 GMT -5
David Robertson is the Yankees best reliever, he was their best reliever last year.
Seriously. He will be fine.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 21:56:49 GMT -5
Opening day can't get here fast enough!
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 15, 2013 10:31:00 GMT -5
The way the Yankees are trying to deal with the 1B situation is so sad it's almost funny. So far their in house options are Juan Rivera and Dan Johnson.
The only options they've considered outside the organization have been to try and get Derrek Lee, Scott Rolen or Chipper Jones to come out of retirement......LOL
I mean, I'm shocked the Yankees haven't given Jorge Posada or Tino Martinez an offer to play first base, since Brian Cashman is looking at more RETIRED players than active players to play 1B.
This whole situation with the Yankees is just so sad it's getting comical, and I just can't wait to see it all implode on them. It would really please me as a fan to see the Yankees be just awful this year, have the fans abandon the team and have them play in a pretty much empty Stadium all year and make significantly less money from tickets/food/merchandise than they probably have projected.
You can't tell the fans that being a Yankee fan is like owning a luxury item and tell us that is why we have to pay top dollar to be a fan, but then attempt to bottom feed a roster together by claiming to have no money. The FANS are the people who are really on a budget, and in this economy, if Hal isn't willing to spend, then the fans should be unwilling to spend on this crappy team.
I'm one of the biggest Yankee fans you will find....but nothing would please me more than if this whole thing just blew up in Hal's face.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Mar 15, 2013 10:44:14 GMT -5
I just wish the Phils had been able to keep Scott Rolen. 3B has been a complete black hole since he left. Total threadjack.
Yankees will be fine. They always are.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 15, 2013 12:25:15 GMT -5
Eventually a time is going to come when that is going to cease to be true. I think this year could be that year, between the power we lost in the offseason, the injuries we've already suffered in Spring Training, and the overall age of the team....it looks to me like things have the possibility to go VERY wrong for the Yankees this year.
And the fact that Cashman is making no serious effort to fix any of the problems with the team and is talking to more retired players than active players.....it just sends a bad vibe to the fan base that the Hank and Hal really aren't committed 100% to doing what it takes to win.
Nobody knows how long Mark Teixeira is going to be out....wrist injuries linger and I defy you to name me ONE baseball player who has strained a wrist tendon and comeback THAT SEASON to play a lot of games and be productive. It doesn't happen. It always ends in coming on and off the DL a few times, aggravating it, and then finally your season ends in surgery.
With the weakness of the Yankees lineup, Granderson out until at least mid/late May, and God knows if/when Teixeira is coming back and in what capacity he'll be able to hit.....there's no reason why the Yankees shouldn't be trying to trade for Justin Morneau. The Twins are projected to lose 100 games again, I've heard they'd love to dump the $14 million Morneau is owed.....why the Yankees aren't considering this but are considering players who are retired is BEYOND ME.
The Yankees have no bench, they are going to have a poor hitting catcher on the field for 162 games....it would be nice to acquire somebody with a little bit of pop.
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Post by Chip on Mar 15, 2013 12:46:29 GMT -5
"$189 million" thats the main reason why they aren't going after Morneau.
plus, right or wrong, they are operating on the idea that Tex will come back and be fine. id bet half of the re-injured wrist issues are because players rush to come back. Tex said he was going to wait until he was 100% to even start a comeback. so going after a guy like Rolen or Lee is smart because you're not relying on them the whole season.....they're playing the IF card on the positive, not the negative.
Tex comes back from the injury fine and you've got 2 legit 1B...what to do with them? now you're banking on Hafner getting hurt so one can play DH. you're not gonna alternate 1B every other series. trust me, i'd love to see Morneau on the team, but there legit is no spot for him. IF Tex returns healthy. They said it wasn't torn, so it has to heal on it's own...and they are gonna wait until the trade deadline. If Tex is
to be honest, I take stock in the fact that Juan Rivera is having a pretty solid spring. he might actually do well.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Mar 15, 2013 12:58:43 GMT -5
Eventually a time is going to come when that is going to cease to be true. I think this year could be that year, between the power we lost in the offseason, the injuries we've already suffered in Spring Training, and the overall age of the team....it looks to me like things have the possibility to go VERY wrong for the Yankees this year. And the fact that Cashman is making no serious effort to fix any of the problems with the team and is talking to more retired players than active players.....it just sends a bad vibe to the fan base that the Hank and Hal really aren't committed 100% to doing what it takes to win. Nobody knows how long Mark Teixeira is going to be out....wrist injuries linger and I defy you to name me ONE baseball player who has strained a wrist tendon and comeback THAT SEASON to play a lot of games and be productive. It doesn't happen. It always ends in coming on and off the DL a few times, aggravating it, and then finally your season ends in surgery. With the weakness of the Yankees lineup, Granderson out until at least mid/late May, and God knows if/when Teixeira is coming back and in what capacity he'll be able to hit.....there's no reason why the Yankees shouldn't be trying to trade for Justin Morneau. The Twins are projected to lose 100 games again, I've heard they'd love to dump the $14 million Morneau is owed.....why the Yankees aren't considering this but are considering players who are retired is BEYOND ME. The Yankees have no bench, they are going to have a poor hitting catcher on the field for 162 games....it would be nice to acquire somebody with a little bit of pop. Once again, I don't buy that the Orioles or the Jays are legit. I just don't. I don't expect Boston to be back in 100 win shape either or anything close to it. To me the Yankees are virtually guaranteed a 3rd place finish at the least.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 15, 2013 13:07:27 GMT -5
"$189 million" thats the main reason why they aren't going after Morneau. plus, right or wrong, they are operating on the idea that Tex will come back and be fine. id bet half of the re-injured wrist issues are because players rush to come back. Tex said he was going to wait until he was 100% to even start a comeback. so going after a guy like Rolen or Lee is smart because you're not relying on them the whole season.....they're playing the IF card on the positive, not the negative. Tex comes back from the injury fine and you've got 2 legit 1B...what to do with them? now you're banking on Hafner getting hurt so one can play DH. you're not gonna alternate 1B every other series. trust me, i'd love to see Morneau on the team, but there legit is no spot for him. IF Tex returns healthy. They said it wasn't torn, so it has to heal on it's own...and they are gonna wait until the trade deadline. If Tex is to be honest, I take stock in the fact that Juan Rivera is having a pretty solid spring. he might actually do well. What does Morneau have to do with $189. He;s making $14 million this year and then he's a free agent. He would cost the Yankees nothing in 2014 and not affect $189. Mark Teixeira is not going to comeback healthy. He's not even going to play 70 games this year I predict. We know how this goes. Look at what happened to Baustista last year and Ortiz and few years before that....these strained wrist tendons always turn into going on the DL for the whole year and having to have surgery. Yeah, Teixeira's wrist tendon isn't torn now....but he'll tear it at some point. Either trying to rehab it or once he comes back. It's happened to almost every player who's ever strained a wrist tendon. They strain it. They go on the DL. The rest it. They comeback and aggravate it. They go back on the DL and rest it. They comeback and aggravate it again. They do this a few times and then all of a sudden it's season ending surgery, see ya next year. The Yankees need to get Morneau. He will be a good defensive 1b and put some pop into the lineup. IF Teixeira comes back, you can use Morneau as the DH if Hafner isn't hitting well, or you can split time with Hafner and Morneau at DH with the other one being a pinch hitter because Cervelli and Stewart are going to be your only catchers. It would be nice to be able to pinch hit Hafner or Morneau for Cervelli or Stewart in a big spot late in the game. Hafner is only making $2 million.....I'd have no problem putting him on the bench as a dead pinch hitter like we had with Ibanez last year. Ibanez, Chavez and Jones the last few years have all made around $2 million and were bench players for the Yankees and were AWESOME coming off the bench and pinch hitting. I'd have no problem doing the same with Hafner, again, because for 162 games the Yankees will put a HORRIBLE hitting catcher in the game. Morneau could be your everyday DH IF Tex comes back and can be the everyday 1B.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Mar 15, 2013 14:12:10 GMT -5
I wanted the Sox to look at Morneau, hes a FA after this year.
He'd be a solid get for the Yankees or anyone. I mean, if his concussion problems dont come back.
The entire division is a toss up. I can see Boston finishing first and last, same with the Yankees and Orioles.
I really think its the Jays, Rays then whomever, but nothing is set in stone. They are all flawed.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Mar 15, 2013 14:31:36 GMT -5
I have to pick the Yankees in that division just because they've won it like 15 of the past 20 years or something crazy like that. They're not flawless though, but no team is. I can't see them finishing last just because historically that doesn't happen to them.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Mar 15, 2013 16:13:04 GMT -5
I have to pick the Yankees in that division just because they've won it like 15 of the past 20 years or something crazy like that. They're not flawless though, but no team is. I can't see them finishing last just because historically that doesn't happen to them. You are crazy picking the Yankees, they have gotten worse in the offseason. Flat out worse. Older too and now are hurt. Just because they have done it in the past does not erase the present. Is it possible they win the division? Sure Right now on paper is that team the best in the division? Absolutely ing not. They look awful right now.
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Post by Chip on Mar 15, 2013 17:21:58 GMT -5
I didn't realize Morneau was a FA after this season, my fault. I'm not saying they shouldn't attempt it, but I was poiting out WHY they aren't. They aren't thinking Tex won't be fine. Silly or not....plus there is always the trade deadline. No way in hell this team wins the division this year anyway. They will be lucky to hit the wild card, ashame really...I'd love for Mo to get to throw his last pitch saving the clinching game of the WS
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Mar 15, 2013 17:26:40 GMT -5
I have to pick the Yankees in that division just because they've won it like 15 of the past 20 years or something crazy like that. They're not flawless though, but no team is. I can't see them finishing last just because historically that doesn't happen to them. You are crazy picking the Yankees, they have gotten worse in the offseason. Flat out worse. Older too and now are hurt. Just because they have done it in the past does not erase the present. Is it possible they win the division? Sure Right now on paper is that team the best in the division? Absolutely ing not. They look awful right now. They're not the best team in the division on paper. They have demonstrated an ability in the past to win whether they were the best team on paper or not.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 15, 2013 17:48:18 GMT -5
You are crazy picking the Yankees, they have gotten worse in the offseason. Flat out worse. Older too and now are hurt. Just because they have done it in the past does not erase the present. Is it possible they win the division? Sure Right now on paper is that team the best in the division? Absolutely ing not. They look awful right now. They're not the best team in the division on paper. They have demonstrated an ability in the past to win whether they were the best team on paper or not. What does anything the Yankees have done in the past have to do with their chances this year? The roster is not the same. You don't just waltz in and put on the uniform and become some kind of clutch machine. It's actually usually the opposite. People with success elsewhere usually come to the Yankees and put up HORRIBLE numbers. So I'm not really seeing your logic. Nothing the Yankees have done in the past even remotely has anything to do with this 2013 Roster or anybody on this team. The only players on this team with any legit Postseason/World Series experience are Pettitte, Rivera, Jeter, and CC Sabathia. Chamberlain, Hughes, Gardner, Robertson, Cervelli, and Teixeira were all on the 2009 team but did ZERO in the Playoffs. And as we've now learned, A-Rod was all roided up in 2009, so that wasn't legit. I don't see how anything from the past is going to help the Yankees this year. Different roster, everybody is older, injuries are clearly going to be a factor, and eventually Pettitte and Jeter are going to hit the point where they can't play anymore. Mo might never hit that noticeable decline since this is his last year, but everybody else on the team is just getting older and declining.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Mar 15, 2013 17:50:06 GMT -5
You are crazy picking the Yankees, they have gotten worse in the offseason. Flat out worse. Older too and now are hurt. Just because they have done it in the past does not erase the present. Is it possible they win the division? Sure Right now on paper is that team the best in the division? Absolutely ing not. They look awful right now. They're not the best team in the division on paper. They have demonstrated an ability in the past to win whether they were the best team on paper or not. 100000000000000000000000% false. Not once has anyone picked the Yankees below 2nd due to talent before the season. Never has anyone said they would be a failure or a disaster. This is the first year and rightfully so. It was the Yankees, Red Sox 1-2 for the last 10 years, with a Tampa mixed in but never the Yankees below that
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Mar 15, 2013 17:58:47 GMT -5
They're not the best team in the division on paper. They have demonstrated an ability in the past to win whether they were the best team on paper or not. What does anything the Yankees have done in the past have to do with their chances this year? The roster is not the same. You don't just waltz in and put on the uniform and become some kind of clutch machine. It's actually usually the opposite. People with success elsewhere usually come to the Yankees and put up HORRIBLE numbers. So I'm not really seeing your logic. Nothing the Yankees have done in the past even remotely has anything to do with this 2013 Roster or anybody on this team. The only players on this team with any legit Postseason/World Series experience are Pettitte, Rivera, Jeter, and CC Sabathia. Chamberlain, Hughes, Gardner, Robertson, Cervelli, and Teixeira were all on the 2009 team but did ZERO in the Playoffs. And as we've now learned, A-Rod was all roided up in 2009, so that wasn't legit. I don't see how anything from the past is going to help the Yankees this year. Different roster, everybody is older, injuries are clearly going to be a factor, and eventually Pettitte and Jeter are going to hit the point where they can't play anymore. Mo might never hit that noticeable decline since this is his last year, but everybody else on the team is just getting older and declining. I didn't pick the Yankees to win the WS. I picked them to win the division. They win the division it's a good year. It's been 20 years since the Yankees finished below .500 which they'd almost certainly have to do to finish last. They'll be fine. They have the ability to win at the end of the day.
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