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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jan 29, 2013 17:58:08 GMT -5
You are stealing from the employers to pay for things. It is coercion. Coercion is wrong. Look at Cuba; you dissent, you are murdered. The employer is being screwed out of his profit. 1. No you arent, you are creating a better society while the government improves your living standards. And coercion? I think not! 2. Nope, there has not been a single dissent murdered in Cuba since the last of Batista's regime's cabinet was executed in the early 60s, but those where needed. Now dissents are given no problem by the law or the government. Sometimes dissents are protected by the law to avoid hate by society, but you know Cuba is EVIL. 3. Again, no he is not being screwed out of anything because all he does is manage the books, the workers are the ones that are hands on with the product not him. I life in Cuba is so grand why do their citizens literally risk their lives out at sea on an open boat trying to get to the US? Notice Americans don't risk their lives on an open boat trying to get to the US.
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Post by slappy on Jan 29, 2013 17:58:45 GMT -5
You just said murder was needed. That's all I need to know about Marxists/Communists. They will kill to get their way. Just like the tens of millions killed in China and Russia.
You are right, we don't hear about Cuba or other Communist governments killing people now. They simply disappear and are never heard from again.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 29, 2013 18:01:21 GMT -5
I hate when people put abortion as an "individual liberty." And I'm not even pro-life necessarily. Could you explain why? I would've thought that it is as much a right as stuff like gay marriage or adoption should be. It all depends on your definition of when "life" begins. The scientific community is essentially in unison in their agreement that life begins almost instantaneously after conception. Therefore, an abortion would be murder. I will say that abortion is probably the area that I am most conflicted in, in my libertarian world view. While I agree that killing is wrong, I also believe that we cannot force someone (a mother in this case) to eat good enough food for the baby to survive and be healthy (again, just a theory). It's a tough area. A "liberty" is something that you are able to do which does not infringe upon the liberties of others. Abortion, by definition, ends someone's life. Therefore I don't think it can really be a "liberty."
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 29, 2013 18:06:06 GMT -5
A. Ron Paul is a Psycho Lunatic, just look at his track record for one: Or we could actually look at why he made those votes, like a responsible person. Gary Johnson is irresponsible with his money: This very well might be true. Gary Johnson wasn't REALLY trying to become President, however. He, like Ron Paul, was trying to spread a message. Libertarians believe that the government should not help the homeless, the sick, the unemployed, and the exploited because its "their problem" LoL no, this is just flagrantly, ridiculously incorrect. The homeless, the sick, the unemployed and the exploited are not taken care of under the CURRENT system because the current system, like any government, is only there to do the exploiting.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 29, 2013 18:10:48 GMT -5
So they are entitled to a wage for their labors and any profits their employer makes from their labors? Again, why be an employer? NO, the workers dont get the profits, they are rewarded for their labor with free social programs as stated above here "Because, when the surplus profit goes to the states things like education, health care, public transportation, and housing (Tis already free since in a Marxist society private property is abolished and housing is provided for by the state!) all become free! Also this allows basic needs to be cheaper! Just look at Cuba, food and clothing are cheap. Ah, the employer, the middle man, he just like the Worker, he gets a wage from the state (reimbursement AND the small percentage of surplus that goes to him) PLUS the free services and cheap things!" So I guess being an employer is still not that bad. So what is the reason to do better? If I'm going to get the same "free sociatal programs" as everyone else no matter how hard I work, then why would I want to be an engineer? Why would I want to be a scientist? Why would I want to be a teacher? Why wouldn't I just sit on my ass and "help society" by getting stoned and making hemp necklaces all day?
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Post by alwayssunny on Jan 29, 2013 18:16:52 GMT -5
1. No you arent, you are creating a better society while the government improves your living standards. And coercion? I think not! 2. Nope, there has not been a single dissent murdered in Cuba since the last of Batista's regime's cabinet was executed in the early 60s, but those where needed. Now dissents are given no problem by the law or the government. Sometimes dissents are protected by the law to avoid hate by society, but you know Cuba is EVIL. 3. Again, no he is not being screwed out of anything because all he does is manage the books, the workers are the ones that are hands on with the product not him. I life in Cuba is so grand why do their citizens literally risk their lives out at sea on an open boat trying to get to the US? Notice Americans don't risk their lives on an open boat trying to get to the US. Because those are the ones that aren't willing to take part in an equal society and rather would like to exploit a lower man. But I do notice American soldiers slaughtering poor Iraqi women and children trying to run away from them. USA! USA! USA!
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Post by Suckasays on Jan 29, 2013 18:18:27 GMT -5
I'm a Screwpoliticsitarian Please enlighten me on the guidelines of this political ideology? It's interests me to no bounds. It means "Politics...nah. Screw em"
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jan 29, 2013 18:22:12 GMT -5
I life in Cuba is so grand why do their citizens literally risk their lives out at sea on an open boat trying to get to the US? Notice Americans don't risk their lives on an open boat trying to get to the US. Because those are the ones that aren't willing to take part in an equal society and rather would like to exploit a lower man. But I do notice American soldiers slaughtering poor Iraqi women and children trying to run away from them. USA! USA! USA! So they are greedy therefore they risk their lives? Every single last one of them wants to exploit people? How in the world does that make sense? Again, why are Americans not risking their lives to get to Cuba?
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Post by alwayssunny on Jan 29, 2013 18:24:00 GMT -5
You just said murder was needed. That's all I need to know about Marxists/Communists. They will kill to get their way. Just like the tens of millions killed in China and Russia. You are right, we don't hear about Cuba or other Communist governments killing people now. They simply disappear and are never heard from again. 1. Mao was very radical and a Stalinist under the rouse of Marxist-Leninism who later employed Maoism, and as most Marxist-Leninist agree, Mao wasn't a communist. Same with Stalin! Stalin murdered Lenin and Lenin's closest allies including Trotsky! Stalin was an evil schizophrenic tyrant who's legacy was destroyed by later Soviet Premiers. So technically, a true Marxist-Leninist leader has never committed mass murder. 2. Sad because the imperialist ways of a capitalist government will destroy a peaceful communist society. and Again, communism hasn't killed a single person BUT capitalism is doom to eradicate us all one day.
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Post by alwayssunny on Jan 29, 2013 18:27:07 GMT -5
A. Ron Paul is a Psycho Lunatic, just look at his track record for one: Or we could actually look at why he made those votes, like a responsible person. This very well might be true. Gary Johnson wasn't REALLY trying to become President, however. He, like Ron Paul, was trying to spread a message. Libertarians believe that the government should not help the homeless, the sick, the unemployed, and the exploited because its "their problem" LoL no, this is just flagrantly, ridiculously incorrect. The homeless, the sick, the unemployed and the exploited are not taken care of under the CURRENT system because the current system, like any government, is only there to do the exploiting. A. I have been waiting for your explanation for these votes... B. Isn't that cute? Spreading a message while wasting peoples money! C. Not really, Libertarians believe in a limited government which equals no help at all! And is the current system a Marxist system or a socialist system? No, I thought this was Libertarian vs Marxist not Libertarian vs Current System
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Post by alwayssunny on Jan 29, 2013 18:30:45 GMT -5
Because those are the ones that aren't willing to take part in an equal society and rather would like to exploit a lower man. But I do notice American soldiers slaughtering poor Iraqi women and children trying to run away from them. USA! USA! USA! So they are greedy therefore they risk their lives? Every single last one of them wants to exploit people? How in the world does that make sense? Again, why are Americans not risking their lives to get to Cuba? Yeah, its sickening to see it. And some Americans are trying but the Cuban embargo forbids them and some get locked up and end up having a long prison sentence.
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Post by Markw on Jan 29, 2013 18:41:21 GMT -5
Out of interest, which is generally frowned upon more in the USA, Communism or Fascism?
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Post by alwayssunny on Jan 29, 2013 18:51:42 GMT -5
Out of interest, which is generally frowned upon more in the USA, Communism or Fascism? Oh most definitely Fascism, Why would some hate Communism where everyone is equal and all love each other?
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Post by Markw on Jan 29, 2013 18:53:56 GMT -5
Out of interest, which is generally frowned upon more in the USA, Communism or Fascism? Oh most definitely Fascism, Why would some hate Communism where everyone is equal and all love each other? I don't disagree, but I think it's safe to say that many Americans do hate communism.
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Post by alwayssunny on Jan 29, 2013 18:56:35 GMT -5
Oh most definitely Fascism, Why would some hate Communism where everyone is equal and all love each other? I don't disagree, but I think it's safe to say that many Americans do hate communism. Which I have no clue why, probably because of the McCarthy and the "Red Scare" in the 50s.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 29, 2013 18:57:21 GMT -5
A. I have been waiting for your explanation for these votes... Almost all of them involve a tax increase. Ron Paul NEVER voted for a single tax increase the entire time he was in Congress. It's really quite simple. You can take all kinds of these little pet projects and talk about how good they are, how sweet they are, etc. but the truth is that if they increase federal taxes, then they are unconstitutional. Everyone likes to turn his votes into things like "he's racist!" or "he's homophobic!" No, he doesn't want to tax people to pay for morality. B. Isn't that cute? Spreading a message while wasting peoples money! How is it "wasting peoples' money?" The money Gary Johnson's campaign raised was not TAX DOLLARS, it was donations from individuals and/or PAC's who all knew who he was, what he stood for, etc. I don't know a single person who donated to Gary Johnson that actually thought he was going to win -- and I literally know hundreds who donated to him. Look around you. If you don't see the libertarian message growing, you are ing blind. That is what the money was used for. Winning elections is important, but spreading the message of liberty is every bit as important. C. Not really, Libertarians believe in a limited government which equals no help at all! And is the current system a Marxist system or a socialist system? No, I thought this was Libertarian vs Marxist not Libertarian vs Current System Wrong again. Libertarians advocate that you should not be FORCED to give money to the government to provide for someone else. Not that you shouldn't still donate money and/or time. This is the difference between you and I. You see, I will, have and will continue to donate MY time and money to charities which I deem to be credible... Except, unlike you, I don't think that I have the right to point a gun at my neighbor's head and say, "NOW YOU DO IT."
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jan 29, 2013 19:05:29 GMT -5
Out of interest, which is generally frowned upon more in the USA, Communism or Fascism? Communism by far. Largely a cultural holdover from the cold war. Sent from my XT907 using proboards
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jan 29, 2013 19:07:56 GMT -5
So they are greedy therefore they risk their lives? Every single last one of them wants to exploit people? How in the world does that make sense? Again, why are Americans not risking their lives to get to Cuba? Yeah, its sickening to see it. And some Americans are trying but the Cuban embargo forbids them and some get locked up and end up having a long prison sentence. I'd like to see your source for Americans going too Cuba on an open boat and getting tossed in jail for their troubles. You do realizes that Cuba is basically a third world country right? Sent from my XT907 using proboards
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 29, 2013 19:37:03 GMT -5
Cuba's quality of life score: 90th out of 194
United States quality of life score: 6th out of 194
Yeah, I imagine that Cuba is having a SERIOUS problem of Americans trying to flood into their country.
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Post by slappy on Jan 29, 2013 20:42:36 GMT -5
You just said murder was needed. That's all I need to know about Marxists/Communists. They will kill to get their way. Just like the tens of millions killed in China and Russia. You are right, we don't hear about Cuba or other Communist governments killing people now. They simply disappear and are never heard from again. 1. Mao was very radical and a Stalinist under the rouse of Marxist-Leninism who later employed Maoism, and as most Marxist-Leninist agree, Mao wasn't a communist. Same with Stalin! Stalin murdered Lenin and Lenin's closest allies including Trotsky! Stalin was an evil schizophrenic tyrant who's legacy was destroyed by later Soviet Premiers. So technically, a true Marxist-Leninist leader has never committed mass murder. 2. Sad because the imperialist ways of a capitalist government will destroy a peaceful communist society. and Again, communism hasn't killed a single person BUT capitalism is doom to eradicate us all one day. Communism hasn't killed a single person? You are delusional.
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