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Post by Hammersmith Hardman on May 8, 2013 3:30:25 GMT -5
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Post by Hammersmith Hardman on May 8, 2013 3:32:29 GMT -5
Mike's in for a shock when he gets out of his exam.
Arguably the right time though, won everything in the game, really nothing to prove and his upcoming surgery is probably a sign that he needs to move on into retirement. Going to be very eerie when someone else takes over just like it will when Wenger leaves Arsenal.
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Post by Himmy! on May 8, 2013 4:23:31 GMT -5
Never thought it would happen. Crazy stuff. To even imagine someone else as United manager is difficult.
From a purely selfish point of view I'm gutted the great man won't be in the dugout of our stadium now we've made it to the Premier League but his health is obviously most important.
The man is without doubt a legend and is a great loss to the division and football management as a whole.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on May 8, 2013 5:58:20 GMT -5
Moyes can off. He's not good enough, done nothing to prove to me he deserves it. I'd take Klopp and Heynckes. Solsjkaer would be class. I always thought SAF would retire in a few years and Giggsy would take over. Jose is the only person with the balls to come in and think he can do a better job, so maybe him.
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Post by Hammersmith Hardman on May 8, 2013 6:30:55 GMT -5
Heynckes is also retiring but considering this is arguably his most successful season as a manager, maybe he could be tempted.
Moyes will go if they want a long term solution but as already stated he hasn't done much despite him being a good manager and what he's done to a team like Everton, Mourinho would obviously be the stand out candidate but he'd be there short term.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on May 8, 2013 7:02:58 GMT -5
Heynckes is also retiring but considering this is arguably his most successful season as a manager, maybe he could be tempted. Moyes will go if they want a long term solution but as already stated he hasn't done much despite him being a good manager and what he's done to a team like Everton, Mourinho would obviously be the stand out candidate but he'd be there short term. I heard Heynckes never actually said that, just that he was leaving Bayern. The more I think about it the more I'm fine with Jose being short term; he'll steady the ship and no one could replicate SAF's legacy immediately so why bother trying. Then when he goes we go for the long term option that doesn't have as big a legacy to follow.
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Post by Noza on May 8, 2013 8:57:15 GMT -5
The greatest manager in the history of the game.
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Post by McBlake on May 8, 2013 10:33:54 GMT -5
I actually find it insane if they do go for Moyes. He's more overrated than Redknapp. From one of the best ever for so many years to... mediocrity. Might improve his own personal record at Old Trafford... The Emirates, Anfield and Stamford Bridge. 0 wins after 40 odd games and they think he can fill those shoes. There's only one imo:
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on May 8, 2013 11:24:01 GMT -5
Moyes is basically confirmed now I know what its like to distrust a manager...
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Post by mrassbillygunn on May 8, 2013 12:09:49 GMT -5
Moyes can off. He's not good enough, done nothing to prove to me he deserves it. I'd take Klopp and Heynckes. Solsjkaer would be class. I always thought SAF would retire in a few years and Giggsy would take over. Jose is the only person with the balls to come in and think he can do a better job, so maybe him. So David Moyes is good enough for Fergie but not good enough for you. Yet Solksjaer is? lol i loved ole but what on earth is your basis for comparing the two? Jose track record is impeccable but his longevity at a club asks serious questions. David Moyes is absolutely perfect for the role.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on May 8, 2013 12:11:28 GMT -5
I actually find it insane if they do go for Moyes. He's more overrated than Redknapp. From one of the best ever for so many years to... mediocrity. Might improve his own personal record at Old Trafford... The Emirates, Anfield and Stamford Bridge. 0 wins after 40 odd games and they think he can fill those shoes. There's only one imo: Im speechless. You think Moyes is overrated? go ahead explain why hes overrated please. Have you seen what hes did with Everton on a limited budget? their style of play? champions league qualification? fa cup final? praise from fergie, wenger among others, third longest serving manager in a league where chopping and changing is the norm? consistently finishing in the top half of the table not to mention in the top 6 or 7! For someone to come out and say Moyes is overrated speaks absolute volumes regarding your knowledge on football. Unbelievable.
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Post by McBlake on May 8, 2013 12:27:54 GMT -5
I actually find it insane if they do go for Moyes. He's more overrated than Redknapp. From one of the best ever for so many years to... mediocrity. Might improve his own personal record at Old Trafford... The Emirates, Anfield and Stamford Bridge. 0 wins after 40 odd games and they think he can fill those shoes. There's only one imo: Im speechless. You think Moyes is overrated? go ahead explain why hes overrated please. Well, for one he's heavily linked with the Man Utd job... I actually wonder if people know the meaning of the word these days. I'm not saying he's a crap manager, just extremely overrated. Never won at Anfield, Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge or The Emirates. Never actually won anything. No Champions League experience (a qualifier doesn't count). What has he actually done to merit the Man Utd gig? The only thing he offers is stability. With a club as big as Manchester United, argubly (infact it's not even an argument anymore) the biggest club in England, they could get almost anyone they wanted.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on May 8, 2013 12:32:10 GMT -5
Alright Everton fan. Moyes hasn't won anything at Everton. He's done a good job on a small budget keeping them at a decent level. That doesn't qualify him for the United job. He has no CL track record minus a playoff loss to Villareal, and has no track record of repeated big money signings. I said Solsjkaer because he worked as the Utd reserve manager as well as a player, so he knows the club well and SAF's methods. Moyes had no track record at a big club, same as him.
As for saying Jose's longevity stops him from being eligible, if you read my second post you'll see I'm not looking for longevity atm, merely steadying the ship and continuing success before building a legacy the manager after, and Jose is perfect for that.
Saying Moyes is good enough for SAF but not me is a silly argument. I'm allowed to have opinions different to SAF, I just trust his managerial judgement.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on May 8, 2013 13:14:48 GMT -5
Alright Everton fan. Moyes hasn't won anything at Everton. He's done a good job on a small budget keeping them at a decent level. That doesn't qualify him for the United job. He has no CL track record minus a playoff loss to Villareal, and has no track record of repeated big money signings. I said Solsjkaer because he worked as the Utd reserve manager as well as a player, so he knows the club well and SAF's methods. Moyes had no track record at a big club, same as him. As for saying Jose's longevity stops him from being eligible, if you read my second post you'll see I'm not looking for longevity atm, merely steadying the ship and continuing success before building a legacy the manager after, and Jose is perfect for that. Saying Moyes is good enough for SAF but not me is a silly argument. I'm allowed to have opinions different to SAF, I just trust his managerial judgement. Actually im a utd fan and have been all my life. Thats the first thing you're wrong about. Secondly your wrong about Moyes having a small budget hes virtually had a ZERO budget and yours and my definition of decent differ greatly. Avram Grant had CL experience so maybe you might want to give them job to him...yet he did get portsmouth and west ham relegated. Anyway...kind of hard to make big money spendings when you've got no big money to spend. You said Solksjar because he worked as UTD reserve manager, knows the club well and fergies methods. But now your contradicting yourself because Ole has no CL experience as a manager...no premier league experience as a manager so i dont get where you're coming from. You're not looking for longevity? you want someone to steady the ship? the ship just won the PL what exactly needs steadied? If you trust Fergies managerial judgement then you will trust he thinks Moyes can manage Man Utd. You just said so. You honestly think Fergie hasnt thought about any of the points you brought up? Ill trust Fergies arguments over yours any day of the week, Mike.
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Post by Himmy! on May 8, 2013 13:36:17 GMT -5
Moyes has spent quite a fair bit...
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Post by T on May 8, 2013 13:42:52 GMT -5
I think it's the lack of trophies, or even finals full stop, for Moyes. Will be interesting to see who he picks.
Feels like the end of an era, having grown up with Fergie on my TV week in, week out. Any football fan who says they won't miss him is ridiculous. Who knows when and if his achievements will ever be surpassed (except by Moyes, obv).
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Post by BladeDJK on May 8, 2013 13:46:20 GMT -5
Sad day . I personally fear for what the future brings. The only manager that will make me feel like Utd is in safe hands is Jose.
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Post by Hammersmith Hardman on May 8, 2013 13:48:01 GMT -5
Moyes has spent quite a fair bit... This. One of the biggest myths in football. Think they say it because he's managed to recoup alot of money on the Rooney, Rodwell and other transfers, so his netspend is probably near enough £0.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on May 8, 2013 13:55:58 GMT -5
www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/4919352/Alex-Ferguson-funniest-moments-Rants-gaffes-and-spoofs.htmlHim embarrassing Evans made me lol Alright Everton fan. Moyes hasn't won anything at Everton. He's done a good job on a small budget keeping them at a decent level. That doesn't qualify him for the United job. He has no CL track record minus a playoff loss to Villareal, and has no track record of repeated big money signings. I said Solsjkaer because he worked as the Utd reserve manager as well as a player, so he knows the club well and SAF's methods. Moyes had no track record at a big club, same as him. As for saying Jose's longevity stops him from being eligible, if you read my second post you'll see I'm not looking for longevity atm, merely steadying the ship and continuing success before building a legacy the manager after, and Jose is perfect for that. Saying Moyes is good enough for SAF but not me is a silly argument. I'm allowed to have opinions different to SAF, I just trust his managerial judgement. Actually im a utd fan and have been all my life. Thats the first thing you're wrong about. Secondly your wrong about Moyes having a small budget hes virtually had a ZERO budget and yours and my definition of decent differ greatly. Avram Grant had CL experience so maybe you might want to give them job to him...yet he did get portsmouth and west ham relegated. Anyway...kind of hard to make big money spendings when you've got no big money to spend. You said Solksjar because he worked as UTD reserve manager, knows the club well and fergies methods. But now your contradicting yourself because Ole has no CL experience as a manager...no premier league experience as a manager so i dont get where you're coming from. You're not looking for longevity? you want someone to steady the ship? the ship just won the PL what exactly needs steadied? If you trust Fergies managerial judgement then you will trust he thinks Moyes can manage Man Utd. You just said so. You honestly think Fergie hasnt thought about any of the points you brought up? Ill trust Fergies arguments over yours any day of the week, Mike. Well just because he does well with a £0 budget (as stated by other here, not quite what it seems) doesn't give any suggestion that he'll do well with plenty of cash. Obviously CL experience isn't the only thing but its vital and something Moyes is missing. We should be challenging for the CL every season, Moyes doesn't get a bedding in period for CL competition but he'd probably need one. Solsjkaer would be class as he's a hero to the club more than a class manager atm; I'd rather him after a few years of Jose. We shall see. If Moyes becomes manager I'll back him 100% until it seems clear to me that it isn't working. Someone pointed out Klopp won nothing in 7 years at Mainz before Dortmund and Moyes might be the same. But its also possible he's being promoted above his station. We shall see.
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Post by McBlake on May 8, 2013 14:17:59 GMT -5
Marouane Fellaini - £15mil Yakubu - £11mil Diniyar Bilyaletdinov - £9mil Andy Johnson - £8.6mil James Beattie - £6.5mil Wish my club was that skint it could fork out those fees
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