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Post by Kliquid on Jun 27, 2013 18:14:43 GMT -5
Why is it OK to have an abortion if the woman is raped, but not if the woman had consensual sex? Isn't the reason that we don't want babies aborted because we...........don't....want...babies...aborted?... I'm pro-choice and I don't understand the reason behind the "Abortion is bad unless" stance. They'll say it is murder unless the woman is raped, it was the product of incest or the woman's health is in danger. If they think abortion is murder then why isn't it murder in those cases? Or if it still is murder then why are they ok with murder in those instances but not because the woman just doesn't want it? Doesn't make sense to me. Exactly. There's no logic to it. The people are full of shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 18:51:33 GMT -5
A situation where having a baby would quite possibly end the life of both the child and the mother, and a doctor sees it fit and the only way to save a life, cannot be compared to a situation where a mother simply doesn't want to have a child.
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Post by Kliquid on Jun 27, 2013 18:52:56 GMT -5
A situation where having a baby would quite possibly end the life of both the child and the mother, and a doctor sees it fit and the only way to save a life, cannot be compared to a situation where a mother simply doesn't want to have a child. Yes, it can. Does the baby have a right to life or not? That is the inherent question.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 18:57:46 GMT -5
A situation where having a baby would quite possibly end the life of both the child and the mother, and a doctor sees it fit and the only way to save a life, cannot be compared to a situation where a mother simply doesn't want to have a child. Yes, it can. Does the baby have a right to life or not? That is the inherent question. The mother has the right to live also. If it's more than likely that the baby will die and more than likely that the mother will die during birth, a decision has to be made to try as protect who they can. It is a completely different situation than a mother not wanting a baby and to say it's the same is ignorant.
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Post by Kliquid on Jun 27, 2013 19:16:43 GMT -5
Yes, it can. Does the baby have a right to life or not? That is the inherent question. The mother has the right to live also. If it's more than likely that the baby will die and more than likely that the mother will die during birth, a decision has to be made to try as protect who they can. It is a completely different situation than a mother not wanting a baby and to say it's the same is ignorant. If we can guarantee that the mother will die, then it is a different conversation. A guaranteed life for a guaranteed life is one thing, otherwise it's just a (rough) percentage chance that one or the other will die. And mothers die during child birth even when we don't think they will -- giving birth, even today, does not guarantee safety. The baby either: a) Has the right to life, using the mother as its device for growth b) Does not have the right to life inside the mother If you say it's "b" then ALL abortion should be legal. If you say "a" then the mother's safety is not relevant unless you can PROVE, without a doubt, that the mother will die giving birth. Then we enter that wonderful game show of "Who's life is it, anyway?" But really, the "mother will die" argument is secondary to the typical "what if it's incest or rape?" argument. That's the one that really bothers me. Your argument at least has validity because it's life-for-a-life and not just "I think it's gross."
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Post by Nivro™ on Jun 27, 2013 20:47:35 GMT -5
Couldnt care less. Im not physically able to have kids so it doesnt effect me and Im not going to try to have kids with anyone that Im not married to so at that point, Im pretty sure it will already be discussed and wont be an issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 8:15:59 GMT -5
I feel that a women should have the right to complete control of her body. People thinking that you are killing a innocent life are ridiculous, I mean seriously, ants are act more human than these fetuses. When your brother rapes your sister and gets her pregnant, people really think its a good idea to make a person suffer through a inbred life like that? C'mon, people.
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Post by Kliquid on Jun 28, 2013 11:51:51 GMT -5
I feel that a women should have the right to complete control of her body. People thinking that you are killing a innocent life are ridiculous, I mean seriously, ants are act more human than these fetuses. When your brother rapes your sister and gets her pregnant, people really think its a good idea to make a person suffer through a inbred life like that? C'mon, people. So should a woman be able to have an abortion a day before she's scheduled to give birth?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 15:21:16 GMT -5
I feel that a women should have the right to complete control of her body. People thinking that you are killing a innocent life are ridiculous, I mean seriously, ants are act more human than these fetuses. When your brother rapes your sister and gets her pregnant, people really think its a good idea to make a person suffer through a inbred life like that? C'mon, people. So should a woman be able to have an abortion a day before she's scheduled to give birth? If its still in her belly, sure, why not, I believe is always the woman's choice.
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Post by slappy on Jun 28, 2013 15:36:58 GMT -5
I feel that a women should have the right to complete control of her body. People thinking that you are killing a innocent life are ridiculous, I mean seriously, ants are act more human than these fetuses. When your brother rapes your sister and gets her pregnant, people really think its a good idea to make a person suffer through a inbred life like that? C'mon, people. So should a woman be able to have an abortion a day before she's scheduled to give birth? How many women give birth on the exact day they are scheduled to? I know my sister didn't. She had her daughter several days before. That is also very unlikely to ever happen even if you could abort in the third trimester. She might as well just be induced and give birth.
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Post by Kliquid on Jun 29, 2013 12:58:26 GMT -5
So should a woman be able to have an abortion a day before she's scheduled to give birth? If its still in her belly, sure, why not, I believe is always the woman's choice. OK then you are one of the few who is actually consistent. Although I might disagree with you, I respect that.
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Post by Kliquid on Jun 29, 2013 12:58:49 GMT -5
So should a woman be able to have an abortion a day before she's scheduled to give birth? How many women give birth on the exact day they are scheduled to? I know my sister didn't. She had her daughter several days before. That is also very unlikely to ever happen even if you could abort in the third trimester. She might as well just be induced and give birth. Unless she doesn't want the baby.
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Post by slappy on Jun 29, 2013 15:24:44 GMT -5
How many women give birth on the exact day they are scheduled to? I know my sister didn't. She had her daughter several days before. That is also very unlikely to ever happen even if you could abort in the third trimester. She might as well just be induced and give birth. Unless she doesn't want the baby. If she carries it for nine months and then decides she doesn't want it then she should give birth and give it up for adoption. There is like a .0000000000001% chance of this scenario ever happening anyway even if abortion was legal that late.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 15:43:03 GMT -5
A shame. Abortion should be illegal in all countries. I agree I agree but that will never happen.
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Post by Kliquid on Jun 29, 2013 20:15:48 GMT -5
Unless she doesn't want the baby. If she carries it for nine months and then decides she doesn't want it then she should give birth and give it up for adoption. There is like a .0000000000001% chance of this scenario ever happening anyway even if abortion was legal that late. Why should she have to go through the pain of labor? If you're going to make the "her body, her choice" argument, then that should apply no matter what point she's at in pregnancy. I agree that it's not going to happen often, but all I'm asking for is consistency from people.
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Post by slappy on Jun 29, 2013 21:51:22 GMT -5
If she carries it for nine months and then decides she doesn't want it then she should give birth and give it up for adoption. There is like a .0000000000001% chance of this scenario ever happening anyway even if abortion was legal that late. Why should she have to go through the pain of labor? If you're going to make the "her body, her choice" argument, then that should apply no matter what point she's at in pregnancy. I agree that it's not going to happen often, but all I'm asking for is consistency from people. You don't hear me wanting a ban on it so I'm consistent that government shouldn't be involved. If a woman is nine months pregnant and she doesn't want it anymore she'll find a way, illegal or not, to get rid of it.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Jun 29, 2013 21:58:26 GMT -5
So should a woman be able to have an abortion a day before she's scheduled to give birth? If its still in her belly, sure, why not, I believe is always the woman's choice. So it should be a woman's choice to terminate the life of a child that is capable of crying and breathing and living outside the womb? Good lord...
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Post by Kliquid on Jun 29, 2013 23:59:30 GMT -5
You don't hear me wanting a ban on it so I'm consistent that government shouldn't be involved. If a woman is nine months pregnant and she doesn't want it anymore she'll find a way, illegal or not, to get rid of it. The questions for you are: 1) Should murder be illegal? 2) When does life begin? Because if you believe that life begins ANYTIME before birth, then abortion is murder.
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Post by slappy on Jun 30, 2013 0:17:27 GMT -5
You don't hear me wanting a ban on it so I'm consistent that government shouldn't be involved. If a woman is nine months pregnant and she doesn't want it anymore she'll find a way, illegal or not, to get rid of it. The questions for you are: 1) Should murder be illegal? 2) When does life begin? Because if you believe that life begins ANYTIME before birth, then abortion is murder. Of course murder should be illegal. I don't know when it scientifically begins. But I think it begins (in the sense that it has every protection available to every other person) the moment it's born. The moment it is not dependent on the mother and can be taken care of by anyone else in the world.
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Post by johnnyb on Jun 30, 2013 0:41:41 GMT -5
I think this topic is definitively a gray area and anybody trying to make it black and white is spinning his or her wheels.
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