Fleet Foxes
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Post by Fleet Foxes on Sept 7, 2013 21:34:09 GMT -5
-- I just about spit out my drink from laughter... If you seriously believe they want to cure you, so you're ill-free, you have a lot to learn about this world and what money does to an industry (particularly the medical field). And I do consider my circumstance to be forceful - not in the physically forceful sense where they're hold a gun to my head anything. But forceful in the fact that I'm deprived of the option of refusing a flu vaccination, in order to get a transplant. It's ridiculous. It shouldn't matter how healthy I am or how sick I am, come time for transplant surgery - I'm either going to live through it, pass away on the table, or return to dialysis because my body rejects the new kidney - the worry of the flu is the least of my issues at this point. I almost spit out the Ginger candy I was eating. You think doctors know best? They make MONEY from SHOTS. They pump shots out and will give you a flu shot anytime they can so they can make MONEY. Doctors push meds and pills so they make more MONEY. You got another thing coming if you think doctors know best, bucko. Are you really making this argument? There are health clinics that give vaccinations for free. And it's foolish to say doctors push meds and pills to make more money because 1. it's unethical. 2. doctors don't make money off of which medicine they prescribe, unless they are getting paid off by pharmaceutical companies which is illegal. 3. Doctors aren't going to risk malpractice lawsuits and their medical license being taken away if something goes wrong.
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Y2J13
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Post by Y2J13 on Sept 7, 2013 21:34:45 GMT -5
There's no point in even continuing this conversation if RAGNAROK is just going to ignore facts. I'd like to see the guy who said he had his back to defend that point about vaccines being "a shot in the dark".U MAD because someone agrees with me who also knows what he's talking about? lolno, don't beg. I have people in this thread that agree with me, and unlike you, they have facts to back up their points. Please go and find me something reliable that states eating healthily is just as good for you as a vaccine.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Sept 7, 2013 21:34:46 GMT -5
Yeah, they should ban pretentious windbags from posting on WFigs. YAY! Name calling instead of answering the question.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Sept 7, 2013 21:37:34 GMT -5
U MAD because someone agrees with me who also knows what he's talking about? lolno, don't beg. I have people in this thread that agree with me, and unlike you, they have facts to back up their points. Please go and find me something reliable that states eating healthily is just as good for you as a vaccine. Don't beg? What the are talking about?
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 7, 2013 21:39:25 GMT -5
There's no point in even continuing this conversation if RAGNAROK is just going to ignore facts. I'd like to see the guy who said he had his back to defend that point about vaccines being "a shot in the dark". They don't always work.. that's why you get boosters Most kids who get a whooping cough shot develop whooping cough. 10-14 year olds don't need a meningitis shot.. yet doctors push them so you come back and get a booster. If you have a good diet... you'll be fine. If you get measles and chickenpox when your a kid, you get natural immunity... I don't know anyone who has ever died from a childhood disease like that Are you kidding me? There is no science at all to back up this view and all the science opposes it. A good diet does not protect you against measles. A good diet does not protect you against chicken pox. A good diet does not protect you against polio. A good diet does not protect you against small pox. If you believe that you do so by flat out denying all the science to the contrary. Patients do die of measles. There were 158,000 measles deaths in 2011 according to the WHO. In 2010, chicken pox caused 6,800 deaths. Yes, people do die from it. The sad part is that virtually every single last one of those deaths could've been prevented by a simple vaccine.
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Y2J13
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Post by Y2J13 on Sept 7, 2013 21:41:00 GMT -5
lolno, don't beg. I have people in this thread that agree with me, and unlike you, they have facts to back up their points. Please go and find me something reliable that states eating healthily is just as good for you as a vaccine. Don't beg? What the are talking about? www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=begaka don't beg, you wish i cared about you enough to be mad
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 7, 2013 21:43:56 GMT -5
I almost spit out the Ginger candy I was eating. You think doctors know best? They make MONEY from SHOTS. They pump shots out and will give you a flu shot anytime they can so they can make MONEY. Doctors push meds and pills so they make more MONEY. You got another thing coming if you think doctors know best, bucko. Are you really making this argument? There are health clinics that give vaccinations for free. And it's foolish to say doctors push meds and pills to make more money because 1. it's unethical. 2. doctors don't make money off of which medicine they prescribe, unless they are getting paid off by pharmaceutical companies which is illegal. 3. Doctors aren't going to risk malpractice lawsuits and their medical license being taken away if something goes wrong. Meh. There's probably something to be said for the arguments that docs sometimes overprescribe/overtreat. The reason is probably more in line with not wanting to get their asses sued than with some conspiracy to keep you sick so they make more money.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 7, 2013 21:45:27 GMT -5
Yeah, they should ban pretentious windbags from posting on WFigs. YAY! Name calling instead of answering the question. The ad hominem attack is the last resort for those who have no facts to back their argument.
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Y2J13
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Post by Y2J13 on Sept 7, 2013 21:48:10 GMT -5
YAY! Name calling instead of answering the question. The ad hominem attack is the last resort for those who have no facts to back their argument. Yep. It's basically code for admitting you're full of sh*t.
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Fleet Foxes
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Post by Fleet Foxes on Sept 7, 2013 21:49:29 GMT -5
Are you really making this argument? There are health clinics that give vaccinations for free. And it's foolish to say doctors push meds and pills to make more money because 1. it's unethical. 2. doctors don't make money off of which medicine they prescribe, unless they are getting paid off by pharmaceutical companies which is illegal. 3. Doctors aren't going to risk malpractice lawsuits and their medical license being taken away if something goes wrong. Meh. There's probably something to be said for the arguments that docs sometimes overprescribe/overtreat. The reason is probably more in line with not wanting to get their asses sued than with some conspiracy to keep you sick so they make more money. I agree with you, but I think that applies more to medical procedures and testing--to make sure they've covered their ass on every possible angle. I think there is a little more restriction on doctors when it comes to pharmaceuticals.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Sept 7, 2013 21:50:34 GMT -5
I wish you cared about me enough to be mad? Dafuq? The ad hominem attack is the last resort for those who have no facts to back their argument. Yep. It's basically code for admitting you're full of sh*t. Naw, it just means I don't take these people seriously.
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Y2J13
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Post by Y2J13 on Sept 7, 2013 21:54:08 GMT -5
I wish you cared about me enough to be mad? Dafuq? Yep. It's basically code for admitting you're full of sh*t. Naw, it just means I don't take these people seriously. I'll slow it down for ya. You wish I were mad, because it'd make you feel big that you were able to get under someone's skin. I'm not mad though, because I don't care about you. Simple enough?
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 7, 2013 21:58:12 GMT -5
So the guy who has in his sig, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" has no evidence at all for his claim that eating fruits/vegetables is just as effective as a vaccine?
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Post by Y2J13 on Sept 7, 2013 22:01:55 GMT -5
So the guy who has in his sig, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" has no evidence at all for his claim that eating fruits/vegetables is just as effective as a vaccine? Don't forget this gem: "The Deepest Sin Against The Human Mind Is To Believe Things Without Evidence" The ironing is delicious.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Sept 7, 2013 22:02:09 GMT -5
I wish you cared about me enough to be mad? Dafuq? Naw, it just means I don't take these people seriously. I'll slow it down for ya. You wish I were mad, because it'd make you feel big that you were able to get under someone's skin. I'm not mad though, because I don't care about you. Simply enough? Get your head out of your ass buddy. You're just another nameless faceless internet jabroni, I would be quite the loser if I needed to get under your skin to feel big. It seems to me like you're the one that is trying to make himself feel big because you think I care enough about whether I get under your skin or not. You're the one that seems to be starting sh*t with me for absolutely no reason, I don't know what your problem with me is, but it's rather childish don't you think?
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Post by Y2J13 on Sept 7, 2013 22:07:48 GMT -5
I'll slow it down for ya. You wish I were mad, because it'd make you feel big that you were able to get under someone's skin. I'm not mad though, because I don't care about you. Simply enough? Get your head out of your ass buddy. You're just another nameless faceless internet jabroni, I would be quite the loser if I needed to get under your skin to feel big. It seems to me like you're the one that is trying to make himself feel big because you think I care enough about whether I get under your skin or not. You're the one that seems to be starting sh*t with me for absolutely no reason, I don't know what your problem with me is, but it's rather childish don't you think? Again, you somehow think you're important enough that I would target you to "start something" with for no reason. If calling you out on presenting things as facts with absolutely nothing to back it up is starting, then yeah I guess I'm starting s*it with you. And winning, with ease.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Sept 7, 2013 22:13:21 GMT -5
Get your head out of your ass buddy. You're just another nameless faceless internet jabroni, I would be quite the loser if I needed to get under your skin to feel big. It seems to me like you're the one that is trying to make himself feel big because you think I care enough about whether I get under your skin or not. You're the one that seems to be starting sh*t with me for absolutely no reason, I don't know what your problem with me is, but it's rather childish don't you think? Again, you somehow think you're important enough that I would target you to "start something" with for no reason. If calling you out on presenting things as facts with absolutely nothing to back it up is starting, then yeah I guess I'm starting s*it with you. And winning, with ease. Winning? Do you see how childish and immature you're acting. Yeah, you're calling me out was more of an attack and you're acting like a complete ass about it. Grow up and get a life. You're a joke just like the others and are not to be taken seriously. /Ignore
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 7, 2013 22:16:15 GMT -5
And now a perfectly fine discussion is headed for a lock.
Sent from my GT-N8013 using proboards
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Post by Spear Guy on Sept 7, 2013 22:17:00 GMT -5
I'd keep debating but I'm going to bed... No hard feelings lol ... I'm glad that WF has the smarts to actually debate something.
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Post by slappy on Sept 7, 2013 22:17:28 GMT -5
And now a perfectly fine discussion is headed for a lock. Sent from my GT-N8013 using proboards Evidence only needs to be presented if he is challenging you not if you are challenging him.
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