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Post by slappy on Sept 7, 2013 21:13:41 GMT -5
And why are we being attacked on religious grounds when Cobra is the one that agrees with a church with a massive measles outbreak?
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 7, 2013 21:13:42 GMT -5
Vaccines are a shot in the dark, maybe it will work, maybe it won't. Fruits and vegetables do the same thing with much healthier benefits. Took out the irrelevant ad hominem attacks. Vaccines are NOT a shot in the dark. Please actually show me some science that say that vaccines are a shot in the dark. You do realize that no one who has had a verified measles shot has gotten measles in the recent outbreaks. Every single one has been someone who either has not had the shot or has no record of getting the shot. Vaccines are NOT a shot in the dark.
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Post by Spear Guy on Sept 7, 2013 21:15:20 GMT -5
The gripe I have about vaccines are the ingredients... Why would I wanna inject myself with mercury and formaldehyde If you can do it naturally... I'll do it naturally. On paper you wouldn't want faeces transplanted into your body either, that doesn't mean it can't help you: www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15113440Actually I would totally do that if I needed it, but I don't because I eat healthy- probiotics. They would implant my Chocolate Shark in somebody else... The gripe I have about vaccines are the ingredients... Why would I wanna inject myself with mercury and formaldehyde If you can do it naturally... I'll do it naturally. Then don't eat fish if you want to stay away from mercury. Not all flu shots contain mercury. If mercury is used it is only used as somewhat of a sterilization of the needle. Formaldehyde is used to kill viruses or inactivate toxins during the manufacturing process and is an inactive ingredient which means it won't harm you. Both of those come straight from the CDC. In vegetarian, no fish over here
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Sept 7, 2013 21:16:17 GMT -5
Vaccines are a shot in the dark, maybe it will work, maybe it won't. Fruits and vegetables do the same thing with much healthier benefits. I wouldn't take Carlos Danger very seriously. Again, he called me close minded because I don't believe in a book about talking snakes and all that other bullsh*t. Slappy's in the same boat. He thinks the same book which condones rape, homophobia, murder, infanticide and the slaughter of innocent women and children is a great source of moral values. They both act like these intelligent know-it-alls when really they're just pretentious windbags. So people shouldn't be allowed to practice their religion no matter what beliefs it has? Wouldn't that go against their freedom? People can practice whatever religion they want, just keep it to themselves. Vaccines are a shot in the dark, maybe it will work, maybe it won't. Fruits and vegetables do the same thing with much healthier benefits. I wouldn't take Carlos Danger very seriously. Again, he called me close minded because I don't believe in a book about talking snakes and all that other bullsh*t. Slappy's in the same boat. He thinks the same book which condones rape, homophobia, murder, infanticide and the slaughter of innocent women and children is a great source of moral values. They both act like these intelligent know-it-alls when really they're just pretentious windbags. This is not even about vaccines actually working or not...It's about whether or not people should have the right not to be forced to be vaccinated. And now you're bringing people's personal religious beliefs into it? What does that have to do with anything? Very innapropriate. Are you kidding me? That's what I've been saying this whole ing time. And I'm not bringing anyone's personal religious beliefs. Slappy's not even religious. I'm just pointing out that they have zero credibility.
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Post by Y2J13 on Sept 7, 2013 21:16:42 GMT -5
There's no point in even continuing this conversation if RAGNAROK is just going to ignore facts. I'd like to see the guy who said he had his back to defend that point about vaccines being "a shot in the dark".
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Post by slappy on Sept 7, 2013 21:18:25 GMT -5
So people shouldn't be allowed to practice their religion no matter what beliefs it has? Wouldn't that go against their freedom? People can practice whatever religion they want, just keep it to themselves. Can you answer my question on whether or not it is ok for the government to ever ban something.
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Post by Y2J13 on Sept 7, 2013 21:18:40 GMT -5
So people shouldn't be allowed to practice their religion no matter what beliefs it has? Wouldn't that go against their freedom? People can practice whatever religion they want, just keep it to themselves. This is not even about vaccines actually working or not...It's about whether or not people should have the right not to be forced to be vaccinated. And now you're bringing people's personal religious beliefs into it? What does that have to do with anything? Very innapropriate. Are you kidding me? That's what I've been saying this whole ing time. And I'm not bringing anyone's personal religious beliefs. Slappy's not even religious. I'm just pointing out that they have zero credibility.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Sept 7, 2013 21:18:57 GMT -5
Vaccines are a shot in the dark, maybe it will work, maybe it won't. Fruits and vegetables do the same thing with much healthier benefits. Took out the irrelevant ad hominem attacks. Vaccines are NOT a shot in the dark. Please actually show me some science that say that vaccines are a shot in the dark. You do realize that no one who has had a verified measles shot has gotten measles in the recent outbreaks. Every single one has been someone who either has not had the shot or has no record of getting the shot. Vaccines are NOT a shot in the dark. So if you get vaccinated, that means that you are 100% guaranteed to not get the illness for which you get vaccinated? Bullsh*t. Your credibility just keeps getting more and more tarnished.
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Post by Y2J13 on Sept 7, 2013 21:19:49 GMT -5
Took out the irrelevant ad hominem attacks. Vaccines are NOT a shot in the dark. Please actually show me some science that say that vaccines are a shot in the dark. You do realize that no one who has had a verified measles shot has gotten measles in the recent outbreaks. Every single one has been someone who either has not had the shot or has no record of getting the shot. Vaccines are NOT a shot in the dark. So if you get vaccinated, that means that you are 100% guaranteed to not get the illness for which you get vaccinated? Bullsh*t. Your credibility just keeps getting more and more tarnished. A lot lot lot more likely not to get it than just by eating fruit and vegetables.
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Post by slappy on Sept 7, 2013 21:20:10 GMT -5
Then don't eat fish if you want to stay away from mercury. Not all flu shots contain mercury. If mercury is used it is only used as somewhat of a sterilization of the needle. Formaldehyde is used to kill viruses or inactivate toxins during the manufacturing process and is an inactive ingredient which means it won't harm you. Both of those come straight from the CDC. In vegetarian, no fish over here That's good then. Then you shouldn't get the flu shot because there are egg proteins in it. It's why they tell people with egg allergies to be cautious.
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Post by Spear Guy on Sept 7, 2013 21:25:51 GMT -5
There's no point in even continuing this conversation if RAGNAROK is just going to ignore facts. I'd like to see the guy who said he had his back to defend that point about vaccines being "a shot in the dark". They don't always work.. that's why you get boosters Most kids who get a whooping cough shot develop whooping cough. 10-14 year olds don't need a meningitis shot.. yet doctors push them so you come back and get a booster. If you have a good diet... you'll be fine. If you get measles and chickenpox when your a kid, you get natural immunity... I don't know anyone who has ever died from a childhood disease like that
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Sept 7, 2013 21:29:35 GMT -5
So if you get vaccinated, that means that you are 100% guaranteed to not get the illness for which you get vaccinated? Bullsh*t. Your credibility just keeps getting more and more tarnished. A lot lot lot more likely not to get it than just by eating fruit and vegetables.Wrong.
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Post by slappy on Sept 7, 2013 21:29:58 GMT -5
There's no point in even continuing this conversation if RAGNAROK is just going to ignore facts. I'd like to see the guy who said he had his back to defend that point about vaccines being "a shot in the dark". They don't always work.. that's why you get boosters Most kids who get a whooping cough shot develop whooping cough. 10-14 year olds don't need a meningitis shot.. yet doctors push them so you come back and get a booster. If you have a good diet... you'll be fine. If you get measles and chickenpox when your a kid, you get natural immunity... I don't know anyone who has ever died from a childhood disease like that Boosters are to increase immunity. Vaccines are not a permanent thing. You have to get them again. Just like you can't eat one apple and be ok. Teen's death from chickenpox highlights need for vaccinationAccording to WHO, In 2011, there were 158,000 measles deaths globally. From CDC
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Post by slappy on Sept 7, 2013 21:31:04 GMT -5
A lot lot lot more likely not to get it than just by eating fruit and vegetables. Wrong. And the studies proving you right are where? And again, is it ok for the government to ban things?
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 7, 2013 21:32:08 GMT -5
Took out the irrelevant ad hominem attacks. Vaccines are NOT a shot in the dark. Please actually show me some science that say that vaccines are a shot in the dark. You do realize that no one who has had a verified measles shot has gotten measles in the recent outbreaks. Every single one has been someone who either has not had the shot or has no record of getting the shot. Vaccines are NOT a shot in the dark. So if you get vaccinated, that means that you are 100% guaranteed to not get the illness for which you get vaccinated? Bullsh*t. Your credibility just keeps getting more and more tarnished. If the vaccine works as designed yes. If the vaccine doesn't work on you for some reason, that's when herd immunity kicks in. Your chances of getting the disease go to virtually zero. Again, please show me your scientific studies that show that eating fruits/vegetables is just as effective at preventing disease as measles.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 7, 2013 21:32:53 GMT -5
A lot lot lot more likely not to get it than just by eating fruit and vegetables. Wrong. Show us your proof. Put up or shut up.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Sept 7, 2013 21:33:02 GMT -5
And the studies proving you right are where? And again, is it ok for the government to ban things? Yeah, they should ban pretentious windbags from posting on WFigs.
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Post by Y2J13 on Sept 7, 2013 21:33:14 GMT -5
There's no point in even continuing this conversation if RAGNAROK is just going to ignore facts. I'd like to see the guy who said he had his back to defend that point about vaccines being "a shot in the dark". They don't always work.. that's why you get boosters Most kids who get a whooping cough shot develop whooping cough. 10-14 year olds don't need a meningitis shot.. yet doctors push them so you come back and get a booster. If you have a good diet... you'll be fine. If you get measles and chickenpox when your a kid, you get natural immunity... I don't know anyone who has ever died from a childhood disease like that You seem to contradict yourself there. You imply that you get a booster shot because it didn't work the first time, then go on to state doctors only push boosters seemingly for profit. Which one is it? Either way, whether a booster shot is needed or not, it doesn't mean the vaccine isn't working. Any proof for the whooping cough thing? "If you have a good diet, you'll be fine" Fine from what? A good diet would not have stopped small pox. We have vaccination to thank for that.
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Post by slappy on Sept 7, 2013 21:33:17 GMT -5
There's no point in even continuing this conversation if RAGNAROK is just going to ignore facts. I'd like to see the guy who said he had his back to defend that point about vaccines being "a shot in the dark".U MAD because someone agrees with me who also knows what he's talking about? I know I'm mad because you won't post any studies supporting your claims or answer my other question.
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Post by slappy on Sept 7, 2013 21:33:58 GMT -5
And the studies proving you right are where? And again, is it ok for the government to ban things? Yeah, they should ban pretentious windbags from posting on WFigs. YAY! Name calling instead of answering the question.
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