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Post by JC Motors on Apr 18, 2014 15:01:56 GMT -5
Anyone ever see the Japanese Batman figures by Yamamoto?
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Post by PJ on Apr 18, 2014 18:42:28 GMT -5
Of they are the same ones I am thinking of they are things of beauty.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Apr 19, 2014 22:43:03 GMT -5
Got a shipping notice for my Ultraman, Powerman, and Superwoman figures. Hope the designer series figures ship in the next few days. I've heard there are a lot of quality control problems with these figures. I have Power Ring, Superwoman, and Deathstorm on the way. I'll be giving them a very thorough exam. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 18:58:51 GMT -5
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Post by mrhoss on Apr 20, 2014 19:58:43 GMT -5
Got a shipping notice for my Ultraman, Powerman, and Superwoman figures. Hope the designer series figures ship in the next few days. I've heard there are a lot of quality control problems with these figures. I have Power Ring, Superwoman, and Deathstorm on the way. I'll be giving them a very thorough exam. I picked up a Superwoman from my comic shop. No major problems. The only issue I had was a twist tie leaving a slight mark on her stomach area. Other than that, I needed a little heat to get the joints moving. |
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Post by PJ on Apr 21, 2014 17:36:07 GMT -5
OK...So my set just arrived and here are a few quick complaints. The first being a major one.
1. Why does Slade have 2 eyeballs?! lol
2. I think scaling is off. Arrow is to thick I think. Especially in the legs. While Slade's legs seem lean in comparison.
3. Articulation - I am not liking how the hips are designed or looking. Slade's are very loose and Arrow's is stuck. Plus I don't like the gap at the top of the hips.
Still overall I am thrilled to have them.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 21, 2014 18:32:24 GMT -5
OK...So my set just arrived and here are a few quick complaints. The first being a major one. 1. Why does Slade have 2 eyeballs?! lol 2. I think scaling is off. Arrow is to thick I think. Especially in the legs. While Slade's legs seem lean in comparison. 3. Articulation - I am not liking how the hips are designed or looking. Slade's are very loose and Arrow's is stuck. Plus I don't like the gap at the top of the hips. Still overall I am thrilled to have them. My Oliver legs arent stuck and my Slades arent loose. Hows the paint apps on Oliver's face? |
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Post by PJ on Apr 21, 2014 18:43:51 GMT -5
Paint apps are good on both. (except for Slade having the second eyeball. lol)
My Ollie the legs hinge outward fine. But neither hip moves forward or backwards. Slade's hips move forward and backwards as well as outward. But his left hip slides outward while standing (unless I block/wedge it with his arm.) and the left legs upper thigh cut spins very easily.
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Post by Captain McKay on Apr 21, 2014 21:29:01 GMT -5
OK...So my set just arrived and here are a few quick complaints. The first being a major one. 1 . Why does Slade have 2 eyeballs?! lol 2. I think scaling is off. Arrow is to thick I think. Especially in the legs. While Slade's legs seem lean in comparison. 3. Articulation - I am not liking how the hips are designed or looking. Slade's are very loose and Arrow's is stuck. Plus I don't like the gap at the top of the hips. Still overall I am thrilled to have them. My theory is it's Bill Wintergreen, the first character we see in this costume on the island. Others have disagreed with me in the past, but Wintergreen's the guy who wears this costume on the show in every single one of his appearances, whereas Slade wears it only once, when they try to board Ivo's ship. But yeah - Bill Wintergreen had two eyes in his "Deathstroke" costume. |
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Post by PJ on Apr 21, 2014 22:33:37 GMT -5
I don't know if I ca go with that theory, because it is supposed to be Deathstroke vs Arrow and Ollie was never really in full "Arrow" costume on the island. So that would make it post "Island" and that should be Slade Wilson. Although I will say the mask looks much leaner and form fitting to what post Island Slade wears. lol
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 21, 2014 22:57:14 GMT -5
I don't know if I ca go with that theory, because it is supposed to be Deathstroke vs Arrow and Ollie was never really in full "Arrow" costume on the island. So that would make it post "Island" and that should be Slade Wilson. Although I will say the mask looks much leaner and form fitting to what post Island Slade wears. lol People who claim this is Billy Wintergreen are just trying to make things difficult. Just like you said PJ....Ollie is in full Arrow gear. At the time that these figures were constructed and painted, the Deathstroke as we see him today, had not been filmed. I'm sure all they had to work with and possibly was supposed to be the Deathstroke costume before changing it, was the one we are seeing. Slade had 2 eyes when he boarded Ivo's ship. Thus, making the figure accurate for the time it was constructed. I have read this on numerous sites about Wintergreen and find it absurd. It just sounds like endless bitching just to bitch. In every Q and A I have attended of Stephen Amell, he talks about how the show changes on a dime. Long term plans can get scrapped, adjusted or overhauled based on budget, new ideas or fan response. In the general outline of the show, Felicity was NEVER to be a credited character let alone part of Team Arrow. She was an extra that was casted to fill a tiny role and thats it. But fan response for her was so strong, they brought her back again and again until finally she went to recurring character to credited character. Now we cant even imagine Team Arrow without her. Caity Lotz was never to be Sara Lance. They had a Sara Lance. But when a dispute occurred with the actress, they quickly changed gears and recasted. Early plans were for Oliver to kill Malcom Merlyn and have Tommy turn against Oliver, claiming the mantle of The Dark Archer. Barrowman became such a hit with the fan base and cast, they opted NOT to go that route, leaving season 1 ending open for a possible Malcom return and thats what we got. |
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Post by Captain McKay on Apr 22, 2014 4:34:25 GMT -5
I don't know if I ca go with that theory, because it is supposed to be Deathstroke vs Arrow and Ollie was never really in full "Arrow" costume on the island. So that would make it post "Island" and that should be Slade Wilson. Although I will say the mask looks much leaner and form fitting to what post Island Slade wears. lol Just like you said PJ....Ollie is in full Arrow gear. At the time that these figures were constructed and painted, the Deathstroke as we see him today, had not been filmed. I'm sure all they had to work with and possibly was supposed to be the Deathstroke costume before changing it, was the one we are seeing. Slade had 2 eyes when he boarded Ivo's ship. Thus, making the figure accurate for the time it was constructed. I have read this on numerous sites about Wintergreen and find it absurd. It just sounds like endless bitching just to bitch. In every Q and A I have attended of Stephen Amell, he talks about how the show changes on a dime. Long term plans can get scrapped, adjusted or overhauled based on budget, new ideas or fan response. In the general outline of the show, Felicity was NEVER to be a credited character let alone part of Team Arrow. She was an extra that was casted to fill a tiny role and thats it. But fan response for her was so strong, they brought her back again and again until finally she went to recurring character to credited character. Now we cant even imagine Team Arrow without her. Caity Lotz was never to be Sara Lance. They had a Sara Lance. But when a dispute occurred with the actress, they quickly changed gears and recasted. Early plans were for Oliver to kill Malcom Merlyn and have Tommy turn against Oliver, claiming the mantle of The Dark Archer. Barrowman became such a hit with the fan base and cast, they opted NOT to go that route, leaving season 1 ending open for a possible Malcom return and thats what we got. LOL, or just accurate to the show it's supposedly based on. Just trying to offer a reason as to why the figure has two eyes. Didn't know this was making the lives of so many people so difficult with my constant bitching just to bitch. |
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Post by PJ on Apr 22, 2014 4:49:57 GMT -5
Also if it was supposed to be Slade's partner the colors would be flipped. But they are black on the right and red on the left which is Slade's.
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Post by Captain McKay on Apr 22, 2014 10:37:56 GMT -5
Also if it was supposed to be Slade's partner the colors would be flipped. But they are black on the right and red on the left which is Slade's.   Looks like the color arrangement is the same on both masks though. Right side black, left side orange. |
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Post by PJ on Apr 22, 2014 11:59:35 GMT -5
I am pretty sure in season one Slade said something about it being his partner who was torturing Ollie and the mask was inverted. I could be mistaken, but I thought he said that. I'm sure CM Showstopper will know as I think he is our resident Arrow expert.
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Post by Captain McKay on Apr 22, 2014 13:00:42 GMT -5
I thought he mentioned that they both wore the same mask because they were partners. Either way, after you mentioned it, I googled it and every pic I found of Wintergreen or Wilson had the black on the right, orange on the left. I chose the image above because it showed Slade AND Billy in the shot, so there was no confusing who was who.
I realize that DC Collectibles probably didn't put any thought into who was under the mask when they made their design for the figure (based on the costume reference they had), but I don't understand how people get so upset over the mere consideration that this could, in fact, be a figure of Billy Wintergreen in the Deathstroke costume. Especially after seeing clear evidence which supports the argument. I'm not saying it's DEFINITELY Wintergreen, but I honestly believe that, if we're to assume these are designs from Season 1 of the TV show Arrow, then this would indeed be Billy in the costume.
To your point above, PJ, by the time "Arrow" and "Deathstroke" face off, they're both in different costumes (Ollie has his mask, rather than the paint, and Slade has the more cyber-looking costume). This leads me to think that people (myself included) read far too deep into the fact that it says "Arrow vs. Deathstroke" on the box, when it's really probably just some higher-up at DC Collectibles saying "not enough demand or interest for a whole wave? Okay then, make a two pack where the main hero fights the main villain."
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 22, 2014 17:08:46 GMT -5
People who claim this is Billy Wintergreen are just trying to make things difficult. Just like you said PJ....Ollie is in full Arrow gear. At the time that these figures were constructed and painted, the Deathstroke as we see him today, had not been filmed. I'm sure all they had to work with and possibly was supposed to be the Deathstroke costume before changing it, was the one we are seeing. Slade had 2 eyes when he boarded Ivo's ship. Thus, making the figure accurate for the time it was constructed. I have read this on numerous sites about Wintergreen and find it absurd. It just sounds like endless bitching just to bitch. In every Q and A I have attended of Stephen Amell, he talks about how the show changes on a dime. Long term plans can get scrapped, adjusted or overhauled based on budget, new ideas or fan response. In the general outline of the show, Felicity was NEVER to be a credited character let alone part of Team Arrow. She was an extra that was casted to fill a tiny role and thats it. But fan response for her was so strong, they brought her back again and again until finally she went to recurring character to credited character. Now we cant even imagine Team Arrow without her. Caity Lotz was never to be Sara Lance. They had a Sara Lance. But when a dispute occurred with the actress, they quickly changed gears and recasted. Early plans were for Oliver to kill Malcom Merlyn and have Tommy turn against Oliver, claiming the mantle of The Dark Archer. Barrowman became such a hit with the fan base and cast, they opted NOT to go that route, leaving season 1 ending open for a possible Malcom return and thats what we got. LOL, or just accurate to the show it's supposedly based on. Just trying to offer a reason as to why the figure has two eyes. Didn't know this was making the lives of so many people so difficult with my constant bitching just to bitch. Its not you personally. I said that this is a major bitch on other boards. This was not a personal attack on you. But it IS in fact accurate for the time piece they were trying to craft. I am pretty sure in season one Slade said something about it being his partner who was torturing Ollie and the mask was inverted. I could be mistaken, but I thought he said that. I'm sure CM Showstopper will know as I think he is our resident Arrow expert. No inversion. They wore the exact same masks. I thought he mentioned that they both wore the same mask because they were partners. Either way, after you mentioned it, I googled it and every pic I found of Wintergreen or Wilson had the black on the right, orange on the left. I chose the image above because it showed Slade AND Billy in the shot, so there was no confusing who was who. I realize that DC Collectibles probably didn't put any thought into who was under the mask when they made their design for the figure (based on the costume reference they had), but I don't understand how people get so upset over the mere consideration that this could, in fact, be a figure of Billy Wintergreen in the Deathstroke costume. Especially after seeing clear evidence which supports the argument. I'm not saying it's DEFINITELY Wintergreen, but I honestly believe that, if we're to assume these are designs from Season 1 of the TV show Arrow, then this would indeed be Billy in the costume. To your point above, PJ, by the time "Arrow" and "Deathstroke" face off, they're both in different costumes (Ollie has his mask, rather than the paint, and Slade has the more cyber-looking costume). This leads me to think that people (myself included) read far too deep into the fact that it says "Arrow vs. Deathstroke" on the box, when it's really probably just some higher-up at DC Collectibles saying "not enough demand or interest for a whole wave? Okay then, make a two pack where the main hero fights the main villain." Because like you said, Slade and Wintergreen wore the same gear and the same masks. For the time period, Slade had BOTH of his eyes and thus makes this figure accurate. This is NOT season 2 Deathstroke. Perhaps DC could have changed the name and made the figure Slade Wilson instead of Deathstroke, but I believe this was intentionally done for marketing purposes. Your last statement describes the situation perfectly. Why there are people flipping out on the net about this being Wintergreen and not Slade has ZERO basis since this costume is what both men wore. Could you call him Wintergreen for your own personal collection? Sure. But it doesnt mean DC is wrong in calling him Deathstroke or Slade or whatever other name they want to attach to reference the same person. The figure is ACCURATE AND is Deathstroke. |
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Post by PJ on Apr 22, 2014 17:34:13 GMT -5
Still don't buy it in the sense that if it is supposed to be Wintergreen then I don't recall him being called Deathstroke while on the island. Deathstroke was the codename of Slade Wilson. And the only Deathstroke in the comics I know of is Slade Wilson. If it is supposed to be Deathstroke like it says on the back of the box then it should be Slade and have one eye. If it is supposed to be his greatest adversary from the island which the box describes him as...I think that would still be Slade Wilson.
These figures were made by a division of DC Comics so there is no way this should have been messed up. Either way I am happy to have them, but he should only have the one eye if it is truely Deathstroke.
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Post by Captain McKay on Apr 22, 2014 18:51:46 GMT -5
Still don't buy it in the sense that if it is supposed to be Wintergreen then I don't recall him being called Deathstroke while on the island. Deathstroke was the codename of Slade Wilson. And the only Deathstroke in the comics I know of is Slade Wilson. If it is supposed to be Deathstroke like it says on the back of the box then it should be Slade and have one eye. If it is supposed to be his greatest adversary from the island which the box describes him as...I think that would still be Slade Wilson. These figures were made by a division of DC Comics so there is no way this should have been messed up. Either way I am happy to have them, but he should only have the one eye if it is truely Deathstroke. He definitely never was. The name "Deathstroke" didn't even get mentioned until Amanda Waller says it to Oliver in a recent episode. Again, I think it's just DC Collectibles marketing the figures to fans, AND to people who never saw the show. I know that in the context of season 1 (which I assume they were going by when they were developing these figures), Ollie's biggest adversary on the island would have been Billy (since Slade hadn't gone mad yet, and since Billy was the guy working for the other dude, who ordered him to torture Oliver). I'm sure we'll see Slade become a bigger adversary for Oliver in island flashbacks on some upcoming episodes, but I don't think DC Collectibles would make figures based on a storyline that hasn't happened yet. Especially with the frequent changes in direction at the drop of a hat, as CM Showstopper mentioned above. In other news, everyone see this?  Not a bad way to score the Hush and Arkham Origins Batman figures. Repainted, but I still like them. Offers a little something different. I will say I prefer the original paint apps (particularly on the New Frontier figure), but it's nice to see re-issues. I got the last Batman Through the Ages box set (with First Appearance, Hanna Barbera, Silver Age, and Alex Ross repaints) and it was a nice set. These figures are all better than those were in terms of quality and articulation, from what I can tell. |
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Post by PJ on Apr 22, 2014 20:19:37 GMT -5
I so wanted to love the Hush Batman, but the oddly positioned legs killed that hope for me. Still I purchased every repaint/rerelease they made of him. lol
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