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Post by Andeh on Oct 6, 2013 11:43:22 GMT -5
As everyone would have seen, the last PPV was not up to the standard. Alot of no shows and the voting was garbage. This leaves me unsure on what to do. The problem is, I do not want to put my time and effort into a PPV when nobody else is willing to do the same. PPVs are more than just signing up and handing in, you need to vote on matches aswell, this is something everyone is not doing (including me).
I feel like the board needs a chat, a general checkup on the animators. If you currently animate and plan on competing in PPVs/Matches leave a reply on what you want from the board.
As moderator, I cant help but feel responsible for the way this board is turning out :/
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Post by [The Ukrainian One] Dimburuk on Oct 6, 2013 12:00:24 GMT -5
Me! What i want from the board? Kinda funny how i was the one against all the fun that the board had, with Bubble Bath PPV, My Little Ponies etc, but hell now i understand that's what the board means. Just signing-up, handing-in all on repeat is not that fun. Maybe a World Cup 2 to shake things off? Or just more chatting between animators haha, i don't think that the Chat Thread will actually end up like previous ones, because the members are more adequate now(that's the word i guess?).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 12:14:42 GMT -5
PPVs have been going on for about 5 years now with no break. If this board is to survive, you guys need to stop PPVs for a couple of months.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 12:20:03 GMT -5
Keep on going!
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Post by el torro on Oct 6, 2013 12:54:29 GMT -5
I think we need to start fresh and take a break. Start up again in January. Vacate all titles and start anew.
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Post by Jack on Oct 6, 2013 13:12:20 GMT -5
I think we need to start fresh and take a break. Start up again in January. Vacate all titles and start anew. Right Guys, I am back. I felt that I wanted to go away, but after seeing this PPV and how it turned out, I felt like I had to come back. I sorta agree with Showoff/Cam here, they are on the right lines. We need a break, or a complete Re-birth. New Titles. New PPV Concepts, even as Showoff said just start new. This board can still go. I feel that alot of it is going to evolve around guys who have time left before college/Uni. Josh, Showoff, KKD even me you could say. We need to get MORE smaller animators back to keep the flow of talent good. EDIT: Cam had a good idea via Skype. Cut down titles. We have to many for the amount. EK, Beginners and Euro should all go. We should only keep 3, HF, WHC and Tag. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 14:00:45 GMT -5
I know this thread asked for current animators, but I would consider myself as someone who has been around enough to know a thing or two.
First of all, the beginners title HAS to go. I slowly tried phasing it out during my time as MOD but that obviously wasn't enough. The beginners title has almost no purpose and was created at a time when this board was flooding with animators. Now, it just holds back capable mid-carders and gives them an excuse to not push themselves.
Secondly, taking a break from PPV's would only slow the board even more. People who don't feel like animating now aren't going to magically come back if they don't feel ready and animators who still compete will resort to going elsewhere when there are no PPV's here.
We've had less animators before with 4 titles and the board ran just fine. The reason it seems like some people are in all of the matches is because the rules allow them to be. Imagine if we were only allowed to sign for 1, maybe 2, matches. Divisions would really be built and the animators would have to decide what kind of title they want to obtain, rather than just jump into everything.
Keeping Euro, HF, World, and Tag is perfectly fine. The main thing that needs to be done to spread out the competitors we have is to only let people sign for 1-2 matches per PPV.
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Post by [The Ukrainian One] Dimburuk on Oct 6, 2013 14:13:56 GMT -5
Why should EK title go? It is now not that popular because main-eventers don't go for it, I mean this title is unique, it's entrances, not single moves, just the fact people don't appreciate it now.
Also, removing Euro is not cool. Maybe that's because I'm European but hey, I see this title as Grapple midcard moves, and HF is highflying midcard moves, while WHC is hard moves to animate for best animators out there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 14:16:36 GMT -5
Why should EK title go? It is now not that popular because main-eventers don't go for it, I mean this title is unique, it's entrances, not single moves, just the fact people don't appreciate it now. Also, removing Euro is not cool. Maybe that's because I'm European but hey, I see this title as Grapple midcard moves, and HF is highflying midcard moves, while WHC is hard moves to animate for best animators out there. Less titles means less potential matches for animators and stronger divisions. Remove EK, Hardcore, Beginners, and hell even just merge HF and Euro. |
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Post by [The Ukrainian One] Dimburuk on Oct 6, 2013 14:21:11 GMT -5
Maybe the problem is not in titles? Even in 2010 we had the same amount of titles, the problem is in community. There were more people, hell even RA(oops I'm breaking the 4th wall) has more active animators.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 14:23:39 GMT -5
Maybe the problem is not in titles? Even in 2010 we had the same amount of titles, the problem is in community. There were more people, hell even RA(oops I'm breaking the 4th wall) has more active animators. The problem is both titles AND people. We don't have enough people for 7 titles. It'll be much better at the population of the board if there are only 3 or 4 titles. |
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Post by Jack on Oct 6, 2013 14:49:50 GMT -5
Maybe the problem is not in titles? Even in 2010 we had the same amount of titles, the problem is in community. There were more people, hell even RA(oops I'm breaking the 4th wall) has more active animators. The problem is both titles AND people. We don't have enough people for 7 titles. It'll be much better at the population of the board if there are only 3 or 4 titles. I agree with Cam. Titles need to go back to of which you had to fight and be the best to get a chance at. Going down to only 3 is the best way to get the board going again. It has to be. WHC, Tag and HF. This will mean there will be more competition for the titles. |
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Post by Andeh on Oct 6, 2013 16:18:04 GMT -5
Removing/Combining titles is something I thought heavily about along with divisions. I'm not going to cancel PPVs until Christmas time or anything like that. However I am going to give this thread some time for everyone to pitch in and give ideas. Sign will probably be in around 2 weeks, just so I can figure out what to do, and then do it.
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Post by ZMW on Oct 6, 2013 16:35:06 GMT -5
So if beginners is removed what would I get. A title opportunity or nothing.
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Post by Andeh on Oct 6, 2013 16:53:09 GMT -5
If beginners, or any title was to removed. The champion would get first dibs at the new title.
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Post by KKD on Oct 6, 2013 16:54:37 GMT -5
I liked the way it was going...but I'll adjust to anything new.
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Post by el torro on Oct 6, 2013 17:42:49 GMT -5
I think Euro should stay. That way lower class guys can go for it without having to struggle with these high flying stips.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 18:20:57 GMT -5
I guess I'm in the minority here, I don't want so many titles to go, I think that all titles besides EK and Beginners should stay, all other titles have healthy competition. WHC, Tag, Euro and HF are all sign up matches while hardcore stays a no sign up match.
On the PPV issue, I agree with Angus that taking a break will mean that animators from here will either lose interest, go to another board to have some competition or dive into another type of animation like a lot of former animators (pivot, making matches etc.)
Having a chat thread is obviously not a great idea based on our previous history with them, but with how the past few months, I agree with Dimburuk that the board seems to have a lot less fights and is overall more mature, perhaps that's because of the lack of noobs... still, I think we are ready for one now.
Overall, I don't think the board is in need of a massive shake up, keep the same structure, fix problems like voting ect. by making threads for new members to follow on how to do such things, try to get a culture of everybody handing in and just overall try harder with it, that's my two cents on the matter.
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Post by Scotty on Oct 6, 2013 18:51:00 GMT -5
Same stuff I've been saying for a while,
Cut down on Titles, Euro, Beginners, and possibly EK should go.
Limit each animator to ONE division or title.
Also we either need more PPVs or less PPVs. Less would give people more time to hand in, but more would keep animators on their feet. We can go back to how it was eventually going to be when Angus was mod, and have myself post the #1 Contenders matches and possibly a title or too on a different smaller show and have the title matches be on the more important show hosted by the mod or the selected host.
Another possible scenario is doing it the UFC way which personally I don't know if I fully support. We could have one title be defended a month (or however chosen) and have other matches be there. The cards could be announced in advanced to give the competitors more opportunities.
One final suggestion is we could have more gimmick shows. Whether it be a World Cup, or a KOTS, or Rumble. Just little things to spice it up.
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Post by TTF4eva on Oct 7, 2013 1:51:27 GMT -5
Hey guys.
So after coming back to reply to the Cam/Rob threads, I realise just how saddening this board is at the moment. However, I do want to pitch in for support.
My opinion? There's no sense of community, a direct contrast to 09/10 where everyone was pitching in, posting 24/7 and being committed to the site. To be fair though, you had Stevo, Audie, Jed, Allek, Mitch, Cam, Scott, Austin, Kev, EcwOriginal, Rob (thehardboyzwwe)and I'll put my hat in there just because I was apart of it. All great animators (and future great animators) that were all conversing with one another, having a great time. If you build that community up again with a chat thread, animators will come in droves. But we have no chat thread. So where do people talk?
On skype, and that's sickening cause they're basically allienating themselves away from the site. You guys need a chat thread. Plain and simple.
I realise now that when people leave they leave forever. That was my mentality I must admit. I didn't want to touch or see anything wrestling animation related anymore. So after coming back to post in those two threads on the site that I had easily the most fun I've ever had to what it is now really makes me upset. I want people to come on this site and feel special about doing wrestling animation.
So, what do you do when so many great committed animators are leaving? I think we should all come together, for the people who aren't active or not doing anything anymore, and just promote the site to other people, or just recommend it to people when they post their videos on YouTube. Voting on matches simply don't hurt either. 3-5 minutes a match. What else do you have to do? If not, there's nothing you can do unfortunately. It's strange for me at the moment. I don't want this board to slowly fizzle out and I will do everything I can to make it better, but I wouldn't be completely upset if it did in the end if no one else is willing to help out.
So to conclude, in my opinion, the problems aren't internal, they're external. They're about the bigger picture.
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