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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2013 17:52:25 GMT -5
Well, I'm gonna go there. If Benoit wouldn't have died, his wife and son would still be alive and we wouldn't know what a bastard Benoit was. Why go there though? It doesn't add anything to the convo. And you're wrong anyway, because if Benoit had lived, he still would have already murdered his family. Benoit would just be in jail. I'm not wrong. It is very likely that Benoit killed himself to avoid any type of repercussions for his actions. Thus if he would not have murdered his family, he would not have committed suicide. He was a coward who should not be aggrandized. I don't care to play the, "Oh, how great would it have been if Benoit didn't die" game. It's not like he had a heart attack like Eddie Guerrero. Or a car wreck like the Junkyard Dog. Or even died in the ring like Mitsuharu Misawa. He killed himself. He chose to die. Who cares what would have happened if he didn't die? He didn't care enough to find out, so why should I? |
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 12, 2013 17:56:13 GMT -5
The WWE let Angle go because he was literally a wreck and apparently refused to go to rehab (that's the WWE side/Angle claims he couldn't get time off). RVD left because his wife was ill and he wanted to spend more time with her. Big Show was burnt out and had gained a ton of weigh and left to get healthy. Sabu left because he was on a short contract and had personal issues behind the scenes. Benoit was a well respected worker and had received 5 months off when he requested it in 2006. Even before the whole incident happened in 2007 fans could clearly see that physically Benoit was breaking down and needed a lighter schedule. I believe the WWE would have given him a lighter schedule and began phasing him into a road agent position behind the scenes. Yeah I didn't phrase that to well. What I meant was the the WWE was lacking established talent at that point so I don't think the WWE was willing to let him go, so they probably would have given him a lighter schedule. Also I saw your earlier post and wanted to know if Punk was still in the doghouse because of December to Dismember or if it was something after that? Gotcha. Sorry for misunderstanding your post. Punk has always been raising his voice backstage and I believe it was a combo of the December to Dismember incident as well as others that had him in the doghouse in 2007. The WWE is known for holding onto grudges for a long time. That's why Punk jobbed to Morrison at three straight PPVs (which was stupid as hell). A few former writers have also said that after Punk jobbed to Morrison at SummerSlam that the Boogeyman was their next choice to challenge Morrison for the title. Then Morrison failed a drug test and they needed to get the title off of him fast and thus Punk found himself as the ECW Champ. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Oct 12, 2013 18:02:32 GMT -5
We dont *know* that Eddie was going to win the title again. Its just been rumored. Honestly I would be surprised if he won the title again. The likely hood was that Orton would be given the title and then Orton & Guerrero would begin to feud while Batista took time off. At the time Orton was still seen not only as the future but also as reliable, unlike Guerrero. That all being said, I doubt either one of them would be in WWE now. They would both have been mid-late 40s. There's pretty much only 1 full time WWE wrestling in this age range (Kane) and he's been taking a lot of time off as well as put in a lot of tag matches to slow wear and tear. Stephanie McMahon herself already said the plan was for Eddie to win the title the night he died. Then again, I believe Batista said Orton was supposed to win. I'm more inclined to trust the head of creative speaking the night it was supposed to happen rather than Batista who was recalling the events several years after it happened. As for Orton being more reliable than Eddie, that's laughable. Orton had several injury and disciplinary problems just before and just after Eddie died. I would be inclined to believe Batista as he has absolutely nothing to gain or lose by saying Orton was going to win. WWE gets good publicity and the "feel good story" by saying Eddie was going to win. It adds to the drama/tragedy story about Eddie giving it a "feel good" ending that he over came everything in the end. Orton's problems never started until 2006. He had some minor heat on him from mid carders to jobbers in the locker room but nothing that was going to get him fired. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2013 18:12:41 GMT -5
Stephanie McMahon herself already said the plan was for Eddie to win the title the night he died. Then again, I believe Batista said Orton was supposed to win. I'm more inclined to trust the head of creative speaking the night it was supposed to happen rather than Batista who was recalling the events several years after it happened. As for Orton being more reliable than Eddie, that's laughable. Orton had several injury and disciplinary problems just before and just after Eddie died. I would be inclined to believe Batista as he has absolutely nothing to gain or lose by saying Orton was going to win. WWE gets good publicity and the "feel good story" by saying Eddie was going to win. It adds to the drama/tragedy story about Eddie giving it a "feel good" ending that he over came everything in the end. Orton's problems never started until 2006. He had some minor heat on him from mid carders to jobbers in the locker room but nothing that was going to get him fired. I agree with this. Batista has no dog in this fight. He has no reason to lie either way. Stephanie, however, knows that the company looks good by saying Eddie was going over. |
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Post by Arthur Speaks on Oct 12, 2013 18:34:30 GMT -5
Honestly, when I saw this thread, I thought Benoit would be on a Jericho/RVD schedule and Eddie would have retired. I think Chavo would have been taken more seriously had Eddie not died.
Benoit would have still killed his wife and son, but he would definitely end up in jail. I don't think WWE would have wanted to associate themselves with him-the same thing they're doing now.
I'm not too sure about Eddie facing Michaels at WrestleMania. I still think he would have turned heel on Batista and won the World Heavyweight Championship. Eddie would probably have had a run as Intercontinental/United States Champion before retiring in 2008.
How about this for a storyline? Vince McMahon still tells Ric Flair that he has to win every match or retire. Meanwhile, Eddie thinks long and hard over hanging up the boots. Eddie wins the RAW Elimination Chamber Match and announces that he will retire if he fails to beat Randy Orton for the WWE Championship (John Cena gets in to make it a Triple Threat due to a screwy finish). Flair somehow becomes the #1 contender for the World Heavyweight Championship and faces Edge in Orlando. Both men win their respective world championships, but Vince makes a marquee matchup: WWE Champion Eddie Guerrero vs. World Heavyweight Champion Ric Flair. Loser must retire. Guerrero beats Flair, but decides to relinquish the WWE/World Heavyweight Championships and retire, stating that WrestleMania XXIV made him realize he has nothing left to prove. The two end WrestleMania by retiring together.
And another thing: How come nobody liked Rey Mysterio winning the title? I get that WWE only thought of it because of Eddie's death, but Mysterio deserved it. And the fans responded positively to it. If WWE didn't think Mysterio's push would go over well, they wouldn't have done it. Or they would've killed it if the reaction wasn't good. From December 2005-April 2006, Mysterio was the biggest face on SmackDown!
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Post by Y2J13 on Oct 12, 2013 19:05:26 GMT -5
Why go there though? It doesn't add anything to the convo. And you're wrong anyway, because if Benoit had lived, he still would have already murdered his family. Benoit would just be in jail. I'm not wrong. It is very likely that Benoit killed himself to avoid any type of repercussions for his actions. Thus if he would not have murdered his family, he would not have committed suicide. He was a coward who should not be aggrandized. I don't care to play the, "Oh, how great would it have been if Benoit didn't die" game. It's not like he had a heart attack like Eddie Guerrero. Or a car wreck like the Junkyard Dog. Or even died in the ring like Mitsuharu Misawa. He killed himself. He chose to die. Who cares what would have happened if he didn't die? He didn't care enough to find out, so why should I? ", you said "if Benoit didn't die". As for him being a coward, I agree. No one here is glorifying Benoit. All we're trying to do is speak hypothetically about what would have happened had the double murder suicide not happened. And if you don't care, why even enter this thread? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2013 19:27:26 GMT -5
I'm not wrong. It is very likely that Benoit killed himself to avoid any type of repercussions for his actions. Thus if he would not have murdered his family, he would not have committed suicide. He was a coward who should not be aggrandized. I don't care to play the, "Oh, how great would it have been if Benoit didn't die" game. It's not like he had a heart attack like Eddie Guerrero. Or a car wreck like the Junkyard Dog. Or even died in the ring like Mitsuharu Misawa. He killed himself. He chose to die. Who cares what would have happened if he didn't die? He didn't care enough to find out, so why should I? ", you said "if Benoit didn't die". As for him being a coward, I agree. No one here is glorifying Benoit. All we're trying to do is speak hypothetically about what would have happened had the double murder suicide not happened. And if you don't care, why even enter this thread? Jesus Christ, talk about splitting hairs. I thought I explained this perfectly in my last post, but apparently you are too dense to read between the lines. Let me break my thought down to its least common denominator. "If Benoit didn't die" then "Benoit didn't kill his family". The reason Benoit killed himself is because he killed his family. Without killing his family, there would be no need to kill himself. You with me? Therefore, if Benoit didn't kill his family, then Benoit wouldn't have killed himself. Make sense? If not, don't worry about it. I'm finished with this, "convo". |
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Post by ¡Twist Of 45 and 47! on Oct 12, 2013 19:39:12 GMT -5
We dont *know* that Eddie was going to win the title again. Its just been rumored. Honestly I would be surprised if he won the title again. The likely hood was that Orton would be given the title and then Orton & Guerrero would begin to feud while Batista took time off. At the time Orton was still seen not only as the future but also as reliable, unlike Guerrero. That all being said, I doubt either one of them would be in WWE now. They would both have been mid-late 40s. There's pretty much only 1 full time WWE wrestling in this age range (Kane) and he's been taking a lot of time off as well as put in a lot of tag matches to slow wear and tear. Stephanie McMahon herself already said the plan was for Eddie to win the title the night he died. Then again, I believe Batista said Orton was supposed to win. I'm more inclined to trust the head of creative speaking the night it was supposed to happen rather than Batista who was recalling the events several years after it happened. As for Orton being more reliable than Eddie, that's laughable. Orton had several injury and disciplinary problems just before and just after Eddie died. He wasn't planned to win the WWE Championship, his next feud was meant to be with Shawn Michaels which would lead to a match at Wrestlemania 22. Confirmed by Court Bauer (who was on the creative team at the time) during an interview with F4W. |
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Post by Y2J13 on Oct 12, 2013 19:40:16 GMT -5
Yeah but you didn't say "if Benoit didn't kill his family", you said "if Benoit didn't die". As for him being a coward, I agree. No one here is glorifying Benoit. All we're trying to do is speak hypothetically about what would have happened had the double murder suicide not happened. And if you don't care, why even enter this thread? Jesus Christ, talk about splitting hairs. I thought I explained this perfectly in my last post, but apparently you are too dense to read between the lines. Let me break my thought down to its least common denominator. "If Benoit didn't die" then "Benoit didn't kill his family". The reason Benoit killed himself is because he killed his family. Without killing his family, there would be no need to kill himself. You with me? Therefore, if Benoit didn't kill his family, then Benoit wouldn't have killed himself. Make sense? If not, don't worry about it. I'm finished with this, "convo". |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2013 19:44:36 GMT -5
Stephanie McMahon herself already said the plan was for Eddie to win the title the night he died. Then again, I believe Batista said Orton was supposed to win. I'm more inclined to trust the head of creative speaking the night it was supposed to happen rather than Batista who was recalling the events several years after it happened. As for Orton being more reliable than Eddie, that's laughable. Orton had several injury and disciplinary problems just before and just after Eddie died. He wasn't planned to win the WWE Championship, his next feud was meant to be with Shawn Michaels which would lead to a match at Wrestlemania 22. Confirmed by Court Bauer (who was on the creative team at the time) during an interview with F4W. This kid just wants to argue with everyone. Lol. Do you have a link to that interview? I would like to read it. |
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Post by ¡Twist Of 45 and 47! on Oct 12, 2013 19:49:44 GMT -5
He wasn't planned to win the WWE Championship, his next feud was meant to be with Shawn Michaels which would lead to a match at Wrestlemania 22. Confirmed by Court Bauer (who was on the creative team at the time) during an interview with F4W. This kid just wants to argue with everyone. Lol. Do you have a link to that interview? I would like to read it. The original interview is in the members only section on their site. A bit of googling and you'll be able to find a report on it of some sorts. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 12, 2013 20:58:10 GMT -5
Stephanie McMahon herself already said the plan was for Eddie to win the title the night he died. Then again, I believe Batista said Orton was supposed to win. I'm more inclined to trust the head of creative speaking the night it was supposed to happen rather than Batista who was recalling the events several years after it happened. As for Orton being more reliable than Eddie, that's laughable. Orton had several injury and disciplinary problems just before and just after Eddie died. I would be inclined to believe Batista as he has absolutely nothing to gain or lose by saying Orton was going to win. WWE gets good publicity and the "feel good story" by saying Eddie was going to win. It adds to the drama/tragedy story about Eddie giving it a "feel good" ending that he over came everything in the end. Orton's problems never started until 2006. He had some minor heat on him from mid carders to jobbers in the locker room but nothing that was going to get him fired. This. Steph was simply trying to make fans happy. Eddie was working with Batista because Batista was dealing with some nagging injuries and Eddie was a safe worker. If anything Orton looked to be the one they were building to take the title from Batista until his personal problems caught up with him. Steph is one of the least credible people to believe in the wrestling industry. It has been said by multiple former writers that following WM20 she was saying that Eddie and Benoit wouldn't last as champs because they didn't have the "look" of a world champion. |
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Post by WMDman on Oct 12, 2013 21:12:27 GMT -5
Huh.....I have no idea they both had lingering/nagging issues and problems everything's pretty much been summed up already
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Post by Nivro™ on Oct 12, 2013 21:14:47 GMT -5
I would be inclined to believe Batista as he has absolutely nothing to gain or lose by saying Orton was going to win. WWE gets good publicity and the "feel good story" by saying Eddie was going to win. It adds to the drama/tragedy story about Eddie giving it a "feel good" ending that he over came everything in the end. Orton's problems never started until 2006. He had some minor heat on him from mid carders to jobbers in the locker room but nothing that was going to get him fired. This. Steph was simply trying to make fans happy. Eddie was working with Batista because Batista was dealing with some nagging injuries and Eddie was a safe worker. If anything Orton looked to be the one they were building to take the title from Batista until his personal problems caught up with him. Steph is one of the least credible people to believe in the wrestling industry. It has been said by multiple former writers that following WM20 she was saying that Eddie and Benoit wouldn't last as champs because they didn't have the "look" of a world champion.  We don't always agree, but when we do...its a fact. Keep posting my friend! |
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Post by Brad on Oct 12, 2013 23:26:12 GMT -5
They'd both be in TNA. Vince would bring back ECW. Remembering they were both 'former ECW guys' they'd get drafted to that show. Then, they'd both get tired of it and leave. Angle would follow soon after. I highly doubt either of them would have went to TNA |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 0:33:42 GMT -5
They'd both be in TNA. Vince would bring back ECW. Remembering they were both 'former ECW guys' they'd get drafted to that show. Then, they'd both get tired of it and leave. Angle would follow soon after. I highly doubt either of them would have went to TNA I agree with this. I think they would have both been agents after their in ring careers ended. Like Malenko. |
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Post by Falconsinclair on Oct 13, 2013 1:16:51 GMT -5
Simply put, if Eddie didn't pass away Benoit's depression wouldn't have gotten the best of him.
I think Eddie for some reason kept Benoit grounded.
As for their in ring careers, I think both would have finally hung up the boots for good by the end or 2008. Benoit may have been forced out due to injuries and I think Eddie had nothing left in the tank to give. Eddie and Rey probably would have had one last feud over either the WWE or World Title, while Benoit would have been in a role similar to Jericho & RVD working part time while putting over rising champions.
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Post by Y2J13 on Oct 13, 2013 10:15:19 GMT -5
He wasn't planned to win the WWE Championship, his next feud was meant to be with Shawn Michaels which would lead to a match at Wrestlemania 22. Confirmed by Court Bauer (who was on the creative team at the time) during an interview with F4W. Do you have a link to that interview? I would like to read it. lol you're cool lol lol lol At the end of the day, it's one person's story vs another. Last time I checked Court Bauer isn't the be all end all of wrestling knowledge or knowing every single plan. Plans changed all the time. Maybe it was Eddie/HBK one day and Eddie/  another? Also, I never said it wouldn't be Eddie vs Shawn at Mania. Eddie could have easily dropped the world title between November and April. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Oct 13, 2013 11:27:13 GMT -5
I did hear that Eddie Guerrero was supposed to win the belt too, because of Big Dave being injured. Yet, Dave worked the next few months with his arm bandaged up, and hell, even won the Tag Titles with Mysterio during that time. So I am not sure how hurt Dave was, but Mark Henry really put a exclamation point on how hurt he was by actually injuring him before the Royal Rumble.
If Eddie Guerrero did beat Batista for the World Title, I could see him losing it to Randy Orton at the Royal Rumble.
I also think the winner of the Rumble that year would have been Triple H, who would have challenged Cena at Mania. Instead of them having that weird tournament on Raw to see who the number 1 contender would be.
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Post by Punk on Oct 13, 2013 12:17:46 GMT -5
They'd both be in TNA. Vince would bring back ECW. Remembering they were both 'former ECW guys' they'd get drafted to that show. Then, they'd both get tired of it and leave. Angle would follow soon after. I highly doubt either of them would have went to TNA Why? It was the logical path after Vince threw them to the 'C' show. |
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