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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 15, 2013 10:48:19 GMT -5
story goes that sometime in the fall/winter of 1990, Demolition - the Smash and Crush incarnation - were going to regain the Tag titles from the Hart Foundation,and then go on to defend them against LOD at Mania VII, where Hawk and Animal would win the Titles. apparently,though, Vince soured on the new Demolition pretty quickly,and scrapped this plan.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 10:50:51 GMT -5
yeah the Harts just beat them and moved on really.....the seeds of the Demolition vs LOD feud were laid when Hawk & Animal stopped Demo from cheating in that match and that's obviously where Vince was headed......but we also seen what happened there. Yeah I really don't get why they didn't do LOD vs Demolition at WM 7. Weird that Vinnie destroyed his own really successful team for LOD and LOD never even had a good run in WWF/E EVER. very true. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 10:55:39 GMT -5
story goes that sometime in the fall/winter of 1990, Demolition - the Smash and Crush incarnation - were going to regain the Tag titles from the Hart Foundation,and then go on to defend them against LOD at Mania VII, where Hawk and Animal would win the Titles. apparently,though, Vince soured on the new Demolition pretty quickly,and scrapped this plan. Yeah that sounds about right, big shame for both Crush and Smash though as Darsow was stuck with a crap gimmick and Crush only had moderate success. I don't understand why Vince didn't at least keep Eadie around for longer than he did. Even if he didn't do much wrestling. Did Ax even ever team with Crush as a 2 man team at any point? They always made it seem like "which two members are we going to see today" but it was ALWAYS Crush and Smash. |
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Post by Road Warriors on Nov 15, 2013 11:07:36 GMT -5
Demolition were good for their time in the WWF only because they were true professionals and knew how to get over with what they had to work with. In my eyes and many other older wrestling fans they will always be remembered for the persona they really excelled at IMO outside of the circus that was the WWF. The WWF in the 80's gives me heartburn think about it. The NWA was so far and away better in every way to the circus being shown on TV week after week.
Give me Masked Superstar and Krusher Krucheve anyday over Ax and Smash.
Had the pleasure of sitting down and talking with Bill Eadie and Barry Darsow during Wrestlemania weekend. Needs less to say we talked quite a bit about everything they did. They were the only ones IMO who could have made Ax and Smash work to the extent it did.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 11:40:56 GMT -5
Demolition were good for their time in the WWF only because they were true professionals and knew how to get over with what they had to work with. In my eyes and many other older wrestling fans they will always be remembered for the persona they really excelled at IMO outside of the circus that was the WWF. The WWF in the 80's gives me heartburn think about it. The NWA was so far and away better in every way to the circus being shown on TV week after week. Give me Masked Superstar and Krusher Krucheve anyday over Ax and Smash. Had the pleasure of sitting down and talking with Bill Eadie and Barry Darsow during Wrestlemania weekend. Needs less to say we talked quite a bit about everything they did. They were the only ones IMO who could have made Ax and Smash work to the extent it did. I haven't watched a whole lot of NWA in the 80s. But the quality of tag team wrestling in the 80s (and very early 90s) (WWF) was absolutely top notch. Demolition are among the MANY teams to thank for that. I know some people didn't like the cartoony/comic book character aspect of the 80s and 90s wrestlers, but I think it made things more interesting. It gave guys without any personality a character to latch on to. Undertaker wouldn't have been anywhere near as interesting without the gimmick. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 15, 2013 12:32:13 GMT -5
Demolition were good for their time in the WWF only because they were true professionals and knew how to get over with what they had to work with. In my eyes and many other older wrestling fans they will always be remembered for the persona they really excelled at IMO outside of the circus that was the WWF. The WWF in the 80's gives me heartburn think about it. The NWA was so far and away better in every way to the circus being shown on TV week after week. Give me Masked Superstar and Krusher Krucheve anyday over Ax and Smash. Had the pleasure of sitting down and talking with Bill Eadie and Barry Darsow during Wrestlemania weekend. Needs less to say we talked quite a bit about everything they did. They were the only ones IMO who could have made Ax and Smash work to the extent it did. I haven't watched a whole lot of NWA in the 80s. But the quality of tag team wrestling in the 80s (and very early 90s) (WWF) was absolutely top notch. Demolition are among the MANY teams to thank for that. I know some people didn't like the cartoony/comic book character aspect of the 80s and 90s wrestlers, but I think it made things more interesting. It gave guys without any personality a character to latch on to. Undertaker wouldn't have been anywhere near as interesting without the gimmick. it's almost awe-inspiring to think that in the late 80's,mainly 1987-1989, that there were enough tag teams in the WWF that they could do a ten team Survivor series match! and not even thrown together teams,I mean real,legitimate tag teams: Demolition The Hart Foundation The Rockers The Bolsheviks The Bushwhackers The Powers of Pain The British Bulldogs The killer Bees The Conquistadors The Fabulous Rougeau Brothers Rhythm & Blues The Twin Towers The Brain Busters Strike Force The Young Stallions The Islanders |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 12:52:22 GMT -5
story goes that sometime in the fall/winter of 1990, Demolition - the Smash and Crush incarnation - were going to regain the Tag titles from the Hart Foundation,and then go on to defend them against LOD at Mania VII, where Hawk and Animal would win the Titles. apparently,though, Vince soured on the new Demolition pretty quickly,and scrapped this plan. Yeah that sounds about right, big shame for both Crush and Smash though as Darsow was stuck with a crap gimmick and Crush only had moderate success. I don't understand why Vince didn't at least keep Eadie around for longer than he did. Even if he didn't do much wrestling. Did Ax even ever team with Crush as a 2 man team at any point? They always made it seem like "which two members are we going to see today" but it was ALWAYS Crush and Smash. IIRC Eadie disagreed strongly with a change Vince had in mind for Demolition.they were to scrap the face paint in favour of leather masks in ring and change their attire.Eadie and Vince fell out and after Survivor Series 1990 Ax was fired.many including Animal feel that because of Eadies temporary heart condition brought on by shellfish allergy(and Fujis presence) that he was now expendable. the Survivors Series 1990 match soured Vince and many in his circle on LOD vs Demolition because of Crush's NUMEROUS errors in the match.Darsow has said that this is unfair because an absolutely wasted KVE brought the match down terribly too. basically because that SS match stunk the house up the program was dropped. on Demolitions,Eadies,Darsows and Animals shoots they all cite problems with match layout as being another issue.even though Demolition were heels,then faces then heels their style never changed one iota.they weren't cowardly heels......they were asskickers same as The Roadies.so there was an automatic layout and style clash. Eadie and Darsow on all 3 shoots said that "they had no hassle working with Joe but that Mike was difficult but not on purpose it was just a clash of styles or styles being too similar to work" just some stuff I have gleaned from various shoots. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 13:01:10 GMT -5
Yeah that sounds about right, big shame for both Crush and Smash though as Darsow was stuck with a crap gimmick and Crush only had moderate success. I don't understand why Vince didn't at least keep Eadie around for longer than he did. Even if he didn't do much wrestling. Did Ax even ever team with Crush as a 2 man team at any point? They always made it seem like "which two members are we going to see today" but it was ALWAYS Crush and Smash. IIRC Eadie disagreed strongly with a change Vince had in mind for Demolition.they were to scrap the face paint in favour of leather masks in ring and change their attire.Eadie and Vince fell out and after Survivor Series 1990 Ax was fired.many including Animal feel that because of Eadies temporary heart condition brought on by shellfish allergy(and Fujis presence) that he was now expendable. the Survivors Series 1990 match soured Vince and many in his circle on LOD vs Demolition because of Crush's NUMEROUS errors in the match.Darsow has said that this is unfair because an absolutely wasted KVE brought the match down terribly too. basically because that SS match stunk the house up the program was dropped. on Demolitions,Eadies,Darsows and Animals shoots they all cite problems with match layout as being another issue.even though Demolition were heels,then faces then heels their style never changed one iota.they weren't cowardly heels......they were asskickers same as The Roadies.so there was an automatic layout and style clash. Eadie and Darsow on all 3 shoots said that "they had no hassle working with Joe but that Mike was difficult but not on purpose it was just a clash of styles or styles being too similar to work" just some stuff I have gleaned from various shoots. Wow, never heard about the masks. That would have been awful. Crush could be a lazy sod at times lol. That's not the first time I've heard of Hawk being difficult to work with. Bret, among others have said the same thing about him, and apparently Neidhart, Bret and Animal all felt very let down by Hawk wrecking their only tag match together. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 13:12:11 GMT -5
yup they sure did.....he was off his face on Somas that night.
was that Wrestlefest 1990 AF?I can never remember.
I also remember Bruce Prichard saying that Vince hired the Nastys to be his premiere heel squad the moment he went sour on Demolition after SS90.he then decided to put the straps on the Nastys,delay LODS title victory from WM7 to SS91 for several reasons
1)Jimmy hart was to be their manager and was tasked with upping their heat to a suitable level
2)The Nastys cheating the frankly beloved HF would be Harts "revenge on them" and would allow them to quietly part for Brets launch
3)their long awaited win would happen at MSG were it would be sure to be well received.....which it was.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 14:16:25 GMT -5
yup they sure did.....he was off his face on Somas that night. was that Wrestlefest 1990 AF?I can never remember. I also remember Bruce Prichard saying that Vince hired the Nastys to be his premiere heel squad the moment he went sour on Demolition after SS90.he then decided to put the straps on the Nastys,delay LODS title victory from WM7 to SS91 for several reasons 1)Jimmy hart was to be their manager and was tasked with upping their heat to a suitable level 2)The Nastys cheating the frankly beloved HF would be Harts "revenge on them" and would allow them to quietly part for Brets launch 3)their long awaited win would happen at MSG were it would be sure to be well received.....which it was. Wrestlefest 91 I believe. Nasty Boys always sucked lol |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 14:23:09 GMT -5
they sure did......I always remember the Barber Shop where Hawk & Animal flatten them in a promo.....but cant find it on youtube.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Nov 15, 2013 14:38:34 GMT -5
Nasty Boys didn't always suck!!
I suggest to everyone that think that to watch Halloween Havoc 90 match between the Steiner Brothers vs. The Nasty Boys for the NWA US Tag Titles. That match was so hard hitting, and the fans were loving everything about it!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 14:44:27 GMT -5
The Nasty Boys are actually both competent wrestlers. They CHOSE not to use it because they made more money from working the stiff way they did.
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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 15, 2013 15:17:08 GMT -5
Nasty Boys didn't always suck!! I suggest to everyone that think that to watch Halloween Havoc 90 match between the Steiner Brothers vs. The Nasty Boys for the NWA US Tag Titles. That match was so hard hitting, and the fans were loving everything about it!! I'm sure it was,but I believe that would have more to do with the fact that the Nasty's could be sloppy as hell and potatoed people all the time,and the Steiners were known for taking liberties with their opponents and didn't care if they ended up injuring them. so i have no doubt it looked great and was hard hitting,cause they likely were beating the sh*t out of each other for real. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 15, 2013 15:20:38 GMT -5
IIRC Eadie disagreed strongly with a change Vince had in mind for Demolition.they were to scrap the face paint in favour of leather masks in ring and change their attire.Eadie and Vince fell out and after Survivor Series 1990 Ax was fired.many including Animal feel that because of Eadies temporary heart condition brought on by shellfish allergy(and Fujis presence) that he was now expendable. the Survivors Series 1990 match soured Vince and many in his circle on LOD vs Demolition because of Crush's NUMEROUS errors in the match.Darsow has said that this is unfair because an absolutely wasted KVE brought the match down terribly too. basically because that SS match stunk the house up the program was dropped. on Demolitions,Eadies,Darsows and Animals shoots they all cite problems with match layout as being another issue.even though Demolition were heels,then faces then heels their style never changed one iota.they weren't cowardly heels......they were asskickers same as The Roadies.so there was an automatic layout and style clash. Eadie and Darsow on all 3 shoots said that "they had no hassle working with Joe but that Mike was difficult but not on purpose it was just a clash of styles or styles being too similar to work" just some stuff I have gleaned from various shoots. Wow, never heard about the masks. That would have been awful. Crush could be a lazy sod at times lol. That's not the first time I've heard of Hawk being difficult to work with. Bret, among others have said the same thing about him, and apparently Neidhart, Bret and Animal all felt very let down by Hawk wrecking their only tag match together.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 15:26:35 GMT -5
Wow, never heard about the masks. That would have been awful. Crush could be a lazy sod at times lol. That's not the first time I've heard of Hawk being difficult to work with. Bret, among others have said the same thing about him, and apparently Neidhart, Bret and Animal all felt very let down by Hawk wrecking their only tag match together. That's even worse than I'd anticipated. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Nov 15, 2013 15:34:56 GMT -5
Also, if you watch Survivor Series 90, Ax came out but didn't look like how he normally did. From what I got from Raven in a shoot, that Ax did it because he knew that was his last night, and he jobbed out quickly in that match to the Warrior. But it wasn't the Demolition Ax who had the slicked back hair and came out wearing the mask. It was Ax with puffy dry hair and no mask on. So it was his way of kind of screwing with Vince and saying "feck you!" to him.
I believe the same could be said about Dusty Rhodes near the end. If you watch S. Series or Royal Rumble, he didn't wear the polka dots. He wore his old NWA style black trunks, red knee pads and such.
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Post by Road Warriors on Nov 15, 2013 15:38:48 GMT -5
I haven't watched a whole lot of NWA in the 80s. But the quality of tag team wrestling in the 80s (and very early 90s) (WWF) was absolutely top notch. Demolition are among the MANY teams to thank for that. I know some people didn't like the cartoony/comic book character aspect of the 80s and 90s wrestlers, but I think it made things more interesting. It gave guys without any personality a character to latch on to. Undertaker wouldn't have been anywhere near as interesting without the gimmick. it's almost awe-inspiring to think that in the late 80's,mainly 1987-1989, that there were enough tag teams in the WWF that they could do a ten team Survivor series match! and not even thrown together teams,I mean real,legitimate tag teams: Demolition The Hart Foundation - WWF Team The Rockers - AWA Team The Bolsheviks - WWF Team The Bushwhackers - NWA team The Powers of Pain - NWA Team The British Bulldogs - Calgary/Japan team The killer Bees- WWF Team The Conquistadors - WWF Team The Fabulous Rougeau Brothers - AWA Canada Rhythm & Blues - WWF Team The Twin Towers - WWF team The Brain Busters - NWA Team Strike Force - WWF Team The Young Stallions - WWF team The Islanders - WWF Team Most of the teams on there came from other places and made a name outside of the WWF. The only one that really was a Vince creation that is remember and lasted the test of time is Hart Foundation. The 3 best teams on that list, British Bulldogs, Brain Busters and Rockers all made a huge mark out before they even went to the WWF. The division while have many teams was filled with tons of clutter and not very good workers. Teams like Young Stallions. Twin Towers and Conquistadors shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as a few of these teams and are best to be completely forgotten. It was a good division with some really good teams but there were tons of extra baggage that is best forgotten. Really the 2 best teams are AWA and NWA mainstays and worked much better matches in those respected organizations before the WWF scooped them up. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 16:53:23 GMT -5
they sure did......I always remember the Barber Shop where Hawk & Animal flatten them in a promo.....but cant find it on youtube. This it? |
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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 15, 2013 17:14:02 GMT -5
it's almost awe-inspiring to think that in the late 80's,mainly 1987-1989, that there were enough tag teams in the WWF that they could do a ten team Survivor series match! and not even thrown together teams,I mean real,legitimate tag teams: Demolition The Hart Foundation - WWF Team The Rockers - AWA Team The Bolsheviks - WWF Team The Bushwhackers - NWA team The Powers of Pain - NWA Team The British Bulldogs - Calgary/Japan team The killer Bees- WWF Team The Conquistadors - WWF Team The Fabulous Rougeau Brothers - AWA Canada Rhythm & Blues - WWF Team The Twin Towers - WWF team The Brain Busters - NWA Team Strike Force - WWF Team The Young Stallions - WWF team The Islanders - WWF Team Most of the teams on there came from other places and made a name outside of the WWF. The only one that really was a Vince creation that is remember and lasted the test of time is Hart Foundation. The 3 best teams on that list, British Bulldogs, Brain Busters and Rockers all made a huge mark out before they even went to the WWF. The division while have many teams was filled with tons of clutter and not very good workers. Teams like Young Stallions. Twin Towers and Conquistadors shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as a few of these teams and are best to be completely forgotten. It was a good division with some really good teams but there were tons of extra baggage that is best forgotten. Really the 2 best teams are AWA and NWA mainstays and worked much better matches in those respected organizations before the WWF scooped them up. yeah,most of them made their names in other places. hell,almost everyone on the WWF roster in the 80's was big somewhere else,then Vince grabbed them. but from 87-89,all those guys competed in the WWF,making it one of the strongest tag rosters in history.especially 87 and 88. lots of clutter? yeah,I suppose so. but to be fair,you need some jobber-ish teams in there too,to be a semi-credible threat,while not really having a chance. you need your Barry Horowitz' , Sam Houston's, and Steve Lombardi's in any division. |
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