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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Nov 25, 2013 12:09:14 GMT -5
Angola Bans IslamWhile I think it's a step in the right direction, it's not right to single out just one religion. They should ban religion altogether.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 25, 2013 13:01:52 GMT -5
It's a step in the wrong direction. Freedom of religion is a basic human right as much as freedom of speech is.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Nov 25, 2013 14:00:28 GMT -5
People can be free to worship who or whatever they want it just needs to be kept to themselves and stay in their homes. Religion has no place in schools, government or anywhere in the public. And religion may be a human right but it also seriously infringes on human rights. Religion has had nothing but detrimental effects on humanity since it was first conceived by our ancient newly evolved ancestors.
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Post by T R W on Nov 25, 2013 14:05:32 GMT -5
I'm not a believer in any religion, but banning a single religion outright anywhere is a step back about 300 years or more. It's a bad precedent at best and a massive slippery slope.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Nov 25, 2013 14:08:21 GMT -5
It's one thing to "ban religion altogether" as you put it in your first post, which is clearly a grave violation of basic civil liberties, and believing in separation of religion and state as you said in your second post.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 14:44:38 GMT -5
Religion is a personal choice and should thus be confined to personal life. In public, such as school, work, politics and so on, it has no place. Back when I was in school, 6 out of 10 fights would be caused by difference in religion. Same with where I work at, we have strict rules on that. We cannot wear any religious signs whatsoever. Including crosses, burqas, Star of David, .. and we feel it works, it has prevented a lot of issues. We often got visitors giving nasty comments on religious symbols.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Nov 25, 2013 15:26:40 GMT -5
I would have no problem with religion if it wasn't so oppressive and didn't infringe on human rights. Not only that but it undermines human intellect, innovation and achievements. It needs to stay in the home and out of other peoples lives. It's the worst human conception in history.
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Post by Punk on Nov 25, 2013 15:30:52 GMT -5
Meh. Kinda hilarious. Pretty sure being Muslim is the most oppressive of the religions.
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Post by James on Nov 25, 2013 15:35:34 GMT -5
I have no problems with religion but islam has been given a bad name due to terrorists and all their plots being for Allah. I know a lot of Muslims and they are the most friendliest people i know. How many of you go on a train and you see a brown asian man with a rucksack and you think is he a bomber? See everyone in islam has been given a bad title and are all immediately hotile. Its the extremists who give it a bad name and who convert innocent people and train them as soldiers in jihad so killing people is what god wants? so why did he create it then?
Edit: i just rambled on, god knows what i just said lol
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Post by GBGav on Nov 25, 2013 15:37:36 GMT -5
Nice one, Angola. Let's hope it works out and the rest of the world wakes up and follows suit (covering every religion by the way.) I've always been anti-religion but I've just recently started reading some of Richard Dawkins' books and it's just awesome to see religion being debunked with good reason and logic. It has no place in an educated society and while I do have to say that most religious people are well meaning people, there's no getting away from the fact that it does spawn discrimination, war and so on. Angola has the right idea about trying to cut out the extremist side of it from their country. We could do without idiots who hold banners up saying "Behead those who say Islam is violent." Insanely beautiful irony. Imagine a world with no religion indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 16:03:00 GMT -5
I've always thought religion was nothing but drunken stories. But it's a personal choice, you can't ban 1 if you aren't gonna ban all.
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Post by Markw on Nov 25, 2013 16:26:11 GMT -5
Nice one, Angola. Let's hope it works out and the rest of the world wakes up and follows suit (covering every religion by the way.) I've always been anti-religion but I've just recently started reading some of Richard Dawkins' books and it's just awesome to see religion being debunked with good reason and logic. It has no place in an educated society and while I do have to say that most religious people are well meaning people, there's no getting away from the fact that it does spawn discrimination, war and so on. Angola has the right idea about trying to cut out the extremist side of it from their country. We could do without idiots who hold banners up saying "Behead those who say Islam is violent." Insanely beautiful irony. Imagine a world with no religion indeed. I'm an atheist but I really can't agree with much of that. First of all, while I agree that tackling extreme elements is necessary, that's not what's happening here. They're pulling down mosques and banning the religion, that's not the same as tackling extremism. You can't go around pulling down mosques/synagogues/churches because of a few psychopaths. And I don't agree that religion causes war/discrimination. These aren't things that would magically go away if you get rid of religion, it's naive to think that religion is the cause of these problems, it's just used to justify war and in some cases discrimination. Most wars are caused by a desire for power/control/wealth/territory and discrimination tends to be a result of fear or because of the need for a scapegoat. Religion is not the main problem here.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Nov 25, 2013 16:52:47 GMT -5
I love that people think that banning religion will stop crazy people being violent. Good luck with that.
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 25, 2013 16:56:37 GMT -5
Religion isnt going away anytime soon. Nobody is asking you to accept it or follow it but stop bitching about it already.
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Post by Punk on Nov 25, 2013 17:01:07 GMT -5
I have no problems with religion but islam has been given a bad name due to terrorists and all their plots being for Allah. I know a lot of Muslims and they are the most friendliest people i know. How many of you go on a train and you see a brown asian man with a rucksack and you think is he a bomber? See everyone in islam has been given a bad title and are all immediately hotile. Its the extremists who give it a bad name and who convert innocent people and train them as soldiers in jihad so killing people is what god wants? so why did he create it then? Edit: i just rambled on, god knows what i just said lol How are those two lines the same thing?
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 25, 2013 17:10:40 GMT -5
Nice one, Angola. Let's hope it works out and the rest of the world wakes up and follows suit (covering every religion by the way.) I've always been anti-religion but I've just recently started reading some of Richard Dawkins' books and it's just awesome to see religion being debunked with good reason and logic. It has no place in an educated society and while I do have to say that most religious people are well meaning people, there's no getting away from the fact that it does spawn discrimination, war and so on. Angola has the right idea about trying to cut out the extremist side of it from their country. We could do without idiots who hold banners up saying "Behead those who say Islam is violent." Insanely beautiful irony. Imagine a world with no religion indeed. I'm an atheist but I really can't agree with much of that. First of all, while I agree that tackling extreme elements is necessary, that's not what's happening here. They're pulling down mosques and banning the religion, that's not the same as tackling extremism. You can't go around pulling down mosques/synagogues/churches because of a few psychopaths. And I don't agree that religion causes war/discrimination. These aren't things that would magically go away if you get rid of religion, it's naive to think that religion is the cause of these problems, it's just used to justify war and in some cases discrimination. Most wars are caused by a desire for power/control/wealth/territory and discrimination tends to be a result of fear or because of the need for a scapegoat. Religion is not the main problem here. Dang. An actual rational atheist on the Internet who I can agree with 100%. Who'd have thunk? I agree with everything said here. If anything, the atheists should be the ones in fear, not the ones gloating. Angola is a Christian society that has now banned Islam and is tearing down their mosques. Who do you think they will come after next? It won't be the Christians. It'll likely be those godless atheists who are corrupting the minds of the youth. Someone must think of the children!! Seriously, where do you think the next logical step is? They could end up going after smaller religions, but once those are gone, who's next?
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Post by James on Nov 25, 2013 17:21:54 GMT -5
I have no problems with religion but islam has been given a bad name due to terrorists and all their plots being for Allah. I know a lot of Muslims and they are the most friendliest people i know. How many of you go on a train and you see a brown asian man with a rucksack and you think is he a bomber? See everyone in islam has been given a bad title and are all immediately hotile. Its the extremists who give it a bad name and who convert innocent people and train them as soldiers in jihad so killing people is what god wants? so why did he create it then? Edit: i just rambled on, god knows what i just said lol How are those two lines the same thing? I don't get where your coming from? As I said, I just rambled on.
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Post by OYDK? on Nov 25, 2013 17:23:51 GMT -5
Atheists are just as annoying and bigoted as people who try and force religion down your throat.
Nothing is funnier than their own preconceived notion of superiority.
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Post by Markw on Nov 25, 2013 17:29:49 GMT -5
Atheists are just as annoying and bigoted as people who try and force religion down your throat. Nothing is funnier than their own preconceived notion of superiority. No. Atheists who try and force atheism down your throat are just as annoying and bigoted as people who try to force religion down your throat. People who think that all atheists believe they're superior or better than all religious people are ill-informed and annoying. Seriously, there's a difference between being anti-religion and being atheist.
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Post by Darkhawk on Nov 25, 2013 17:41:26 GMT -5
I don't understand why we are focusing on other countries problems and not our own. U.S. logic at it's finest.
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