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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Dec 7, 2013 21:26:19 GMT -5
You do realize that according to you, 95% of humanity falls in this category right? Yes he does and he feels superior to them all. According to them and, there is no offense intended, we all need psychiatric help because we don't share the same idea of how the world is explained. Pack those bags Hulk. Share a cab? Wouldn't want two crazies on the road! I am legally diagnosed as Autistic, & only surpassed a 5th grade math level at age 15. I lost the only woman I ever loved because I was lustful, ignorant, terrified of her reactions to me, & hopeless overcome with anxiety everytime we made any form of contact. I've presented more logical points than you for the majority of this thread, but I can't nor do I want to claim overall mental superiority to you or anyone. You continue to assume that I'm calling you crazy, when I said nothing of the sort. You are however mentally subpar of what you could be. That is a truth for virtually everyone because we all are damaged or inadequate in some way. Adequacy is relative to the subject in question. Stephen Hawking is a brilliant physicist & mathematician, but he isn't an exceptionally skilled novelist such as Leo Tolstoy. Neither is demeaned by their lack in the opposing field of endeavor. A truly coherent(i.e mentally healthy) person wouldn't bob & weave from opposing inquiries of his belief system with poorly thought out attempts at insulting & belittling their viable questions, & sincere attempts to compose a beneficial diologue of philosophy. I apologize for allowing my words to insinuate that you are monstrous or feeble minded. I admitted my deformities, so you should admit that you are afraid of death like everyone else & that you don't like how the bible teaches contempt for our bodies & reproductive systems. At least I hope you don't like that because I think you should enjoy your body. You clearly haven't killed anyone over religion, so I don't have nor want a reason to be concerned over your morality. I do however have all the reason in the world inquire you to present proper responses to my questions & inquiries.
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Post by slappy on Dec 7, 2013 22:15:20 GMT -5
]I am legally diagnosed as Autistic, & only surpassed a 5th grade math level at age 15. I lost the only woman I ever loved because I was lustful, ignorant, terrified of her reactions to me, & hopeless overcome with anxiety everytime we made any form of contact. A truly coherent(i.e mentally healthy) person wouldn't bob & weave from opposing inquiries of his belief system with poorly thought out attempts at insulting & belittling their viable questions, & sincere attempts to compose a beneficial diologue of philosophy. And I'm diagnosed schizoaffective. "Poorly thought out attempts at insulting and belittling" You mean like what is being done by calling religion a fairy tale, God "invisible sky daddy" and saying religious people should get mental evaluations?
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Post by Tim of thee on Dec 7, 2013 22:36:10 GMT -5
Yes he does and he feels superior to them all. According to them and, there is no offense intended, we all need psychiatric help because we don't share the same idea of how the world is explained. Pack those bags Hulk. Share a cab? Wouldn't want two crazies on the road! I am legally diagnosed as Autistic, & only surpassed a 5th grade math level at age 15. I lost the only woman I ever loved because I was lustful, ignorant, terrified of her reactions to me, & hopeless overcome with anxiety everytime we made any form of contact. I've presented more logical points than you for the majority of this thread, but I can't nor do I want to claim overall mental superiority to you or anyone. You continue to assume that I'm calling you crazy, when I said nothing of the sort. You are however mentally subpar of what you could be. That is a truth for virtually everyone because we all are damaged or inadequate in some way. Adequacy is relative to the subject in question. Stephen Hawking is a brilliant physicist & mathematician, but he isn't an exceptionally skilled novelist such as Leo Tolstoy. Neither is demeaned by their lack in the opposing field of endeavor. A truly coherent(i.e mentally healthy) person wouldn't bob & weave from opposing inquiries of his belief system with poorly thought out attempts at insulting & belittling their viable questions, & sincere attempts to compose a beneficial diologue of philosophy. I apologize for allowing my words to insinuate that you are monstrous or feeble minded. I admitted my deformities, so you should admit that you are afraid of death like everyone else & that you don't like how the bible teaches contempt for our bodies & reproductive systems. At least I hope you don't like that because I think you should enjoy your body. You clearly haven't killed anyone over religion, so I don't have nor want a reason to be concerned over your morality. I do however have all the reason in the world inquire you to present proper responses to my questions & inquiries. why would my opinion matter to you? you believe that things I believe are illogical and devoid of reason.. why would I want to discuss these things with someone who continues to belittle the things I hold to be true? I have no problem with atheism or atheists.. I have a huge problem with people believing they are intellectually superior based off of personal beliefs of the meaning of life Maybe you should be more careful with your words. That way you could avoid the apologies.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Dec 7, 2013 22:47:40 GMT -5
]I am legally diagnosed as Autistic, & only surpassed a 5th grade math level at age 15. I lost the only woman I ever loved because I was lustful, ignorant, terrified of her reactions to me, & hopeless overcome with anxiety everytime we made any form of contact. A truly coherent(i.e mentally healthy) person wouldn't bob & weave from opposing inquiries of his belief system with poorly thought out attempts at insulting & belittling their viable questions, & sincere attempts to compose a beneficial diologue of philosophy. And I'm diagnosed schizoaffective. "Poorly thought out attempts at insulting and belittling" You mean like what is being done by calling religion a fairy tale, God "invisible sky daddy" and saying religious people should get mental evaluations? RAGNAROK brought those statements into the discussion. Not me. I personally think mental evaluations should be mandatory just like physicals. Why are you singling out my confession of my faults? My admission of my inadequacy to prove that I do not claim superiority over you? Not to be rude, but all extinct religions are classified as mythologies by scholarly institutions. However, the use of "fairytale" as a derogatory judgement of people is uncalled for in this particular discussion. So logically speaking, the majority of the evidence suggests that the majority of religions are collections of what will later be described as classical literature.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Dec 7, 2013 23:04:44 GMT -5
I am legally diagnosed as Autistic, & only surpassed a 5th grade math level at age 15. I lost the only woman I ever loved because I was lustful, ignorant, terrified of her reactions to me, & hopeless overcome with anxiety everytime we made any form of contact. I've presented more logical points than you for the majority of this thread, but I can't nor do I want to claim overall mental superiority to you or anyone. You continue to assume that I'm calling you crazy, when I said nothing of the sort. You are however mentally subpar of what you could be. That is a truth for virtually everyone because we all are damaged or inadequate in some way. Adequacy is relative to the subject in question. Stephen Hawking is a brilliant physicist & mathematician, but he isn't an exceptionally skilled novelist such as Leo Tolstoy. Neither is demeaned by their lack in the opposing field of endeavor. A truly coherent(i.e mentally healthy) person wouldn't bob & weave from opposing inquiries of his belief system with poorly thought out attempts at insulting & belittling their viable questions, & sincere attempts to compose a beneficial diologue of philosophy. I apologize for allowing my words to insinuate that you are monstrous or feeble minded. I admitted my deformities, so you should admit that you are afraid of death like everyone else & that you don't like how the bible teaches contempt for our bodies & reproductive systems. At least I hope you don't like that because I think you should enjoy your body. You clearly haven't killed anyone over religion, so I don't have nor want a reason to be concerned over your morality. I do however have all the reason in the world inquire you to present proper responses to my questions & inquiries. why would my opinion matter to you? you believe that things I believe are illogical and devoid of reason.. why would I want to discuss these things with someone who continues to belittle the things I hold to be true? I have no problem with atheism or atheists.. I have a huge problem with people believing they are intellectually superior based off of personal beliefs of the meaning of life Maybe you should be more careful with your words. That way you could avoid the apologies. What did I just say about mental superiority & more importantly my LACK OF SUCH CLAIMS. Your opinions are predominantly devoid of reason, nor do they require reason according to your religion. Christians are told to only rely on faith in God & never doubt him. In case you hadn't noticed, you & Slappy have been challenging me in a 2 on handicap match with MarkW running interference & I have been juggling your questions with valid points & a logical train of thought. Even with my minor faux pas, I have given the greatest amount of progressive contributions to this thread by a landslide. No one in this thread has put more thought into the subject it transformed into(Religion's purpose in society) than I have. So don't you dare to tell me to be more careful with my words. You've done nothing, but play the insult game & share cliched rhetoric of religious advocates. My apology was to prove that while I do not believe to be better than anyone else because I don't believe in God, I am certainly more concerned with the pursuit of knowledge than you or Slappy.
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Post by Tim of thee on Dec 7, 2013 23:10:26 GMT -5
This is what I have to say to everyone who has posted in this thread in relations religious advocacy. I cannot express how embarrassed I am by the stupidity of some of the individuals in this thread. was this not you?
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Dec 7, 2013 23:14:35 GMT -5
This is what I have to say to everyone who has posted in this thread in relations TO* religious advocacy. I cannot express how embarrassed I am by the stupidity of some of the individuals in this thread. was this not you? Considering you erased the entire section between the two statements, the only error I see is a missing word. My embarrassment isn't in response to people who believe in religion(at least not when I said this), but rather fact that many of the people weren't thinking through their responses on the various implications & relative impracticality of tearing down the Mosque & banning Islamic practice.
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Post by Tim of thee on Dec 7, 2013 23:17:21 GMT -5
I have given the greatest amount of progressive contributions to this thread by a landslide. No one in this thread has put more thought into the subject it transformed into(Religion's purpose in society) than I have. So don't you dare to tell me to be more careful with my words according to..? What did I just say about mental superiority & more importantly my LACK OF SUCH CLAIMS. As an avid student of psychology, psychiatry, & the mental sciences at large, I say this. If someone is mentally weak enough to feel the need for comfort from an idea that is basically an illusion in order to cope with existence, then yes. They do require a helping hand in learning to not allow fear of death, purposeless, & immorality ruin their lives. mentally weak enough.. can you see where I see an implied self-importance with your replies? I'll ask a similar question to you that I asked earlier. If you were sitting at the table with a muslim, jew, catholic, christian, protestant, would you tell them that they are mentally weak because they seek answers from a spiritual power? would you support a ban on Islam (or any other religion) in your country?
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Dec 8, 2013 0:02:04 GMT -5
I have given the greatest amount of progressive contributions to this thread by a landslide. No one in this thread has put more thought into the subject it transformed into(Religion's purpose in society) than I have. So don't you dare to tell me to be more careful with my words according to..? What did I just say about mental superiority & more importantly my LACK OF SUCH CLAIMS. As an avid student of psychology, psychiatry, & the mental sciences at large, I say this. If someone is mentally weak enough to feel the need for comfort from an idea that is basically an illusion in order to cope with existence, then yes. They do require a helping hand in learning to not allow fear of death, purposeless, & immorality ruin their lives. mentally weak enough.. can you see where I see an implied self-importance with your replies? I'll ask a similar question to you that I asked earlier. If you were sitting at the table with a muslim, jew, catholic, christian, protestant, would you tell them that they are mentally weak because they seek answers from a spiritual power? I have displayed more logical points & reasonable ideas than any of you. You're not stupid, so why would ignore that fact & by default DO something stupid? Secondly, I ADMITTED my mental inadequacies. Therefore, I can't claim any form of progress mentally EXCEPT IN ONE THING. From the age of 13 to 15, thunderstorms & tornadoes caused me to have anxiety based digestive problems. I was so terrified that anytime storms would occur, I had to hide in the bathroom. (All of my fears were born out of Sunday school lessons on the God of the old testament & eternal damnation.) My mother is a pastor, so she told me to read Psalm: 91 for comfort. I was desperate so I tried as she suggested, & it distracted me for the duration of each storm, but then I began to dissect the passage & the book itself, only to be horrified by a tsunami of contradictions. I soon after began to study Psychology & Meteorology in order to understand what severe weather actually is & why it frightened me. I overcame my irrational fears that were seeded in religious propaganda with the pursuit of knowledge through science & philosophy. So I did do something that many religious people have not done yet. Moving on, I wouldn't tell try to insult them, but I would propose questions about their decisions to be religious & attempt to hold a symposium & respond only to their statements & questions in order to minimize their chances to accuse me of argumentative fallacies such as the red herring. I understand your point about insulting people, but I would ask them about their fear of death & say it straight out, that religion is used by some to cope with the tragedies of existence, & question the validity of that approach. I almost missed your last question. I have answered it throughout the thread. Peaceful, private religious practice cannot be taken away from people. It's UNETHICAL. However, I will fight for the separation of church from state. No religious institutions should be given political power. The burden of evidence lies with the claim maker.
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Post by Tim of thee on Dec 8, 2013 0:33:05 GMT -5
according to..? mentally weak enough.. can you see where I see an implied self-importance with your replies? I'll ask a similar question to you that I asked earlier. If you were sitting at the table with a muslim, jew, catholic, christian, protestant, would you tell them that they are mentally weak because they seek answers from a spiritual power? I have displayed more logical points & reasonable ideas than any of you. You're not stupid, so why would ignore that fact & by default DO something stupid? Secondly, I ADMITTED my mental inadequacies. Therefore, I can't claim any form of progress mentally EXCEPT IN ONE THING. From the age of 13 to 15, thunderstorms & tornadoes caused me to have anxiety based digestive problems. I was so terrified that anytime storms would occur, I had to hide in the bathroom. (All of my fears were born out of Sunday school lessons on the God of the old testament & eternal damnation.) My mother is a pastor, so she told me to read Psalm: 91 for comfort. I was desperate so I tried as she suggested, & it distracted me for the duration of each storm, but then I began to dissect the passage & the book itself, only to be horrified by a tsunami of contradictions. I soon after began to study Psychology & Meteorology in order to understand what severe weather actually is & why it frightened me. I overcame my irrational fears that were seeded in religious propaganda with the pursuit of knowledge through science & philosophy. So I did do something that many religious people have not done yet. Moving on, I wouldn't tell try to insult them, but I would propose questions about their decisions to be religious & attempt to hold a symposium & respond only to their statements & questions in order to minimize their chances to accuse me of argumentative fallacies such as the red herring. I understand your point about insulting people, but I would ask them about their fear of death & say it straight out, that religion is used by some to cope with the tragedies of existence, & question the validity of that approach. I totally understand that you found your way, and that's great. But you found YOUR way. To you, it is the only way. I have no problem with that, but it's not the way I choose to live and what I believe about the world. What I love about the world is that there are so many different ideas.. so many cultures and value systems.. that there isn't one way of thinking.. Would you support a ban on islam (or any religion for that matter) in your country?
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Dec 8, 2013 0:51:22 GMT -5
I have displayed more logical points & reasonable ideas than any of you. You're not stupid, so why would ignore that fact & by default DO something stupid? Secondly, I ADMITTED my mental inadequacies. Therefore, I can't claim any form of progress mentally EXCEPT IN ONE THING. From the age of 13 to 15, thunderstorms & tornadoes caused me to have anxiety based digestive problems. I was so terrified that anytime storms would occur, I had to hide in the bathroom. (All of my fears were born out of Sunday school lessons on the God of the old testament & eternal damnation.) My mother is a pastor, so she told me to read Psalm: 91 for comfort. I was desperate so I tried as she suggested, & it distracted me for the duration of each storm, but then I began to dissect the passage & the book itself, only to be horrified by a tsunami of contradictions. I soon after began to study Psychology & Meteorology in order to understand what severe weather actually is & why it frightened me. I overcame my irrational fears that were seeded in religious propaganda with the pursuit of knowledge through science & philosophy. So I did do something that many religious people have not done yet. Moving on, I wouldn't tell try to insult them, but I would propose questions about their decisions to be religious & attempt to hold a symposium & respond only to their statements & questions in order to minimize their chances to accuse me of argumentative fallacies such as the red herring. I understand your point about insulting people, but I would ask them about their fear of death & say it straight out, that religion is used by some to cope with the tragedies of existence, & question the validity of that approach. I totally understand that you found your way, and that's great. But you found YOUR way. To you, it is the only way. I have no problem with that, but it's not the way I choose to live and what I believe about the world. What I love about the world is that there are so many different ideas.. so many cultures and value systems.. that there isn't one way of thinking.. Would you support a ban on islam (or any religion for that matter) in your country? Few people quote Nietzsche's iconic words "You have yor way of doing things, I have mine, but as for the one right way to do all things, it doesn't exist." than I do. We all grow & mature differently. I never exactly said that my way is the only way. I did present the evidence that logical deduction has produced the most progress for humanity. Simply banning a religion isn't going to accomplish much of anything, but hindering it's ability to empower it's practioners politically would be very beneficial. Empower the women of the middle east to be free & choose how they live & dress as equals & watch the quality of life go up for the long term. And one more thing. If I am remembered for anything by anyone, it will be my war against conformity, monotony, ignorance, & injustice. I thrive on the diversity of human expression, but ideas shouldn't be admired based solely on the distinction of being unlike others. They should be accessed for their merit & validity or lack there of & applied where/when needed. The beauty isn't merely in the diversity of the concepts, but the pursuit of knowledge itself. In most religions, to live for the duration of time we recognize as one-thousand years would be nothing short of a nightmare. As a true scientist & philosopher, such a gift would spark the greatest mental tornado concievable. As the warm front of the time they would gave to learn & discover 10 lifetime's worth of profound knowledge in their one, & the cold front of realization that you will outlive all the people you will ever know or love with the exception of those who know around the time of your death, they would be driven to make the most of every moment they have been given to learn all they can learn. Because for them, this is all there is. As a philosopher, I have everything to live for. And anything worth dying for is truly the most precious existents of all the universe.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 8, 2013 8:23:07 GMT -5
You do realize that according to you, 95% of humanity falls in this category right? I'm still waiting for you to poke holes in my Bible contradictions post. Can't help but notice you keep sidestepping it. There would be no point in such a reply. You are not interested in changing your mind. You are not interested in finding out any one else's view. You are incredibly close minded on this subject and are just trying to start fights. As stated previously, any Christian would be able to answer nearly all of those. There's probably a website or two addressing them all. That's not what you are interested in though. You are looking for any ammunition you can find to mock my beliefs. You are so full of hate on this subject you can't see straight. It's sad. Sent from my Nexus 10 using proboards
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Dec 8, 2013 9:42:47 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for you to poke holes in my Bible contradictions post. Can't help but notice you keep sidestepping it. There would be no point in such a reply. You are not interested in changing your mind. You are not interested in finding out any one else's view. You are incredibly close minded on this subject and are just trying to start fights. As stated previously, any Christian would be able to answer nearly all of those. There's probably a website or two addressing them all. That's not what you are interested in though. You are looking for any ammunition you can find to mock my beliefs. You are so full of hate on this subject you can't see straight. It's sad. Sent from my Nexus 10 using proboards Hitchens nor Dawkins or Arron Ra or Sam Harris have ever & even Kant & Hume rarely were dumb enough to believe any of the theologians of their day would ever change their minds, & that did nothing, but hand them even greater incentive to debate & discuss such concepts with even great diligence, coherence, & virtuosity. Considering that there are no known documents to clarify the context in which the bible was written, I honestly don't see anyone can legitimately claim it to be consistent with itself. Not to mention, the errors that were passed down through copying the original works due to the invention of the printing-press being more than 1,000 years away according to the dates of the oldest known copies of Christian scripture, which were only documented after being thrown through the "Meat grinder of incoherence" that was the oral tradition, even with the allegedly, superior long-term memories humans possessed. But I suppose that's a battle for another day.
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Post by Revvie® on Dec 8, 2013 9:59:46 GMT -5
o.O
I am trying to figure what is wrong with the idea that some people are mentally unable to handle meaninglessness of the world. I mean, really. If someone needs something to cope, and to me most cherry pick the verses, and thus they really cause little to no harm as much anymore. Extremists exist, they would exist without this justification, and could easily produce another.
But I am just not understanding why those who need meaning, are being put into some sort of "idiot box" in the minds of some people in this thread. A good portion of mankind looks for meaning, because our existence is hard to swallow. Maybe you realized you create your meaning, maybe someone got it out of helping people, and maybe someone got it from praying...meaning is something just about every life needs to thrive.
I don't pretend like people are dumb, or talk in ways that downgrade them below me, just because the meaning I found for life wasn't what they found. I don't see how it is fair or justified for anyone to do so.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Dec 8, 2013 12:34:49 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for you to poke holes in my Bible contradictions post. Can't help but notice you keep sidestepping it. There would be no point in such a reply. You are not interested in changing your mind. You are not interested in finding out any one else's view. You are incredibly close minded on this subject and are just trying to start fights. As stated previously, any Christian would be able to answer nearly all of those. There's probably a website or two addressing them all. That's not what you are interested in though. You are looking for any ammunition you can find to mock my beliefs. You are so full of hate on this subject you can't see straight. It's sad. Sent from my Nexus 10 using proboards LMAO! Any other time you'd be quick to post links and sources to prove someone wrong. Now all of sudden you think it's pointless? It's so painfully obvious you've got nothing. And it's hilarious that you said any theist with half a brain could poke a million holes in those contradictions, so if you aren't able to do it what does that say about you? Any Christian could tear those contradictions apart? No one has yet. And how does proving me wrong give me ammunition? That doesn't make any sense. I'm not trying to start fights, I'm just looking for answers. You constantly go back and forth with everyone that says something you don't agree with. It just looks to me that you've got nothing but are too proud to admit it. You keep calling me close minded but what you need to realize is that I was raised a Christian. I believed in god and accepted Jesus as my savior, the whole nine yards. But there were so many things about religion that just didn't make any sense to me, but I just ignored them because I didn't want to go to hell. I remember in college this Atheist kid kept asking me how I can believe in all this religious stuff when there is so much evidence against it. My reply was that it's all about faith and wouldn't listen to anything he had to say (so apparently I was just as close minded as Christian too). It wasn't until I started to question the absurdities of religion and began to OPEN MY MIND up to other possibilities. So I started watching science documentaries about evolution and the big bang and stuff and then it all just clicked. It confirmed my belief that nothing about religion made any sense. That's when I converted to Atheism, by OPENING MY MIND up I was able to realize that science was the way to go. So explain to me how I'm close minded, better yet explain to me how religious people aren't close minded. You present them with indisputable evidence right in front of their eyes, but they still exhibit cognitive dissonance and keep their minds closed to the fact that maybe religion isn't the answer. I explored other things, I didn't just accept that religion was the only way to go. I did this by OPENING MY MIND up and exploring. I was more close minded as a Christian than I am now. I just want answers. So explain to me how I'm being close minded. Also, you keep telling me that I'm full of hate. You seem to think that I just attack religion for the hell of it, looking for fights or because I have nothing better to do. Do you have any idea how much being religious ed with my head? No, you have no clue. Religion is the source of my severe and chronic anxiety and depression. I used to have terrible night terrors about being possessed and nightmares about the end of the world and hell. I would also have really bad anxiety attacks when thinking about hell and my loved ones going there as well as me committing the "unforgivable" sin. Day and night I was tormented and was told that god is just trying to test my "faith" or that Satan was filling my head with fallacies. Bullsh*t! Since converting to Atheism I feel so much more free and my anxiety and depression I'm finally able to keep at bay. The last time I had a night terror and felt like I was being possessed I told myself that this is all in my head. It went away immediately after that and I haven't had one since. You keep calling me sad, but I'm happier now than I ever have been my entire life. This is why I'm so against religion. I was a victim of childhood indoctrination and it made me suffer for most of my life and I know that there are other kids that are going through the same thing. That is why I truly despise religion, because of what it does to children and that it can affect them well into their adulthood. Telling a child that they will go to hell if they don't do what they're told is child abuse, plain and simple. Now be a man and show me that those contradictions are inaccurate. Proving me wrong won't give me ammunition, it will put me in my place. I need you to prove to me that religion speaks the truth and if you can do that, I will concede and never mention anything about religion here again. And you can quote me on that. Are you up to the challenge? I want to have a nice clean friendly debate about this and get to the bottom of it. I have a lot of question that need answering, if we can talk about this in a civil manner maybe we can get to the bottom of it.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Dec 8, 2013 12:37:42 GMT -5
o.O I am trying to figure what is wrong with the idea that some people are mentally unable to handle meaninglessness of the world. I mean, really. If someone needs something to cope, and to me most cherry pick the verses, and thus they really cause little to no harm as much anymore. Extremists exist, they would exist without this justification, and could easily produce another. But I am just not understanding why those who need meaning, are being put into some sort of "idiot box" in the minds of some people in this thread. A good portion of mankind looks for meaning, because our existence is hard to swallow. Maybe you realized you create your meaning, maybe someone got it out of helping people, and maybe someone got it from praying...meaning is something just about every life needs to thrive. I don't pretend like people are dumb, or talk in ways that downgrade them below me, just because the meaning I found for life wasn't what they found. I don't see how it is fair or justified for anyone to do so.
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Post by Revvie® on Dec 8, 2013 12:40:07 GMT -5
And what is wrong with people doing something that keeps them sane; not everyone is build to handle inherent meaninglessness. It is human to seek comfort, and as long as this comfort isn't violating your rights directly...again; I see nothing wrong with it.
And yea, you sound full of hate, and anger. Fueled by it. It, at the very least, destroys your credibility when you speak.
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Post by Tim of thee on Dec 8, 2013 12:48:15 GMT -5
And what is wrong with people doing something that keeps them sane; not everyone is build to handle inherent meaninglessness. It is human to seek comfort, and as long as this comfort isn't violating your rights directly...again; I see nothing wrong with it. This is how I see this argument. Where they see meaninglessness, others do not. There is a fundamental disagreement on the explanation of life. I'm fine with people sharing their ideas. It's when people begin the belittle my ideas only to prop theirs above.
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Post by Markw on Dec 8, 2013 13:00:48 GMT -5
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Dec 8, 2013 13:37:54 GMT -5
And what is wrong with people doing something that keeps them sane; not everyone is build to handle inherent meaninglessness. It is human to seek comfort, and as long as this comfort isn't violating your rights directly...again; I see nothing wrong with it. And yea, you sound full of hate, and anger. Fueled by it. It, at the very least, destroys your credibility when you speak. It's been established that peaceful practice on one's own home is perfectly acceptable. It's simply the imposition of those views as correct without legitimate evidence that creates an issue. We all have every right to be infuriated by such blatant disregard for logical structure & order. You're God's not a logical God? Then why would you bother trying to make sense of them? People deserve comfort & consolation to a point. The very purpose of therapy & coaching/educating of any kind is to assist people in their journey to self-reliance & clarity. Autistic people need help developing social skills, Athletes need help training their sport's techniques, & so on. There comes a time in everyone's life where you shape up or shut down. You have to stand on your own two feet & do something for yourself. This obviously doesn't mean we shouldn't try to help each-other, but there are circumstances where attempts to help turn into enabling & hinder the person's progress. Maturity is partially defined by confronting uncomfortable truths of existence. I failed to be the desired companion of my favorite woman on earth. I accept this in order to let her live a happy life, & use it as initiative to improve myself & help others. That is an act of maturity.
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