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Post by J12 on Dec 19, 2013 11:03:06 GMT -5
I think his comments about other races and religions are more alarming than what he said about homosexuality. I think it's all ignorant, but that other stuff is flying under the radar.
It's a tough position, regardless. I don't necessarily fault A&E for doing what they did. I don't fault him for having the opinions that he does, though I certainly wholeheartedly disagree with him on every single one.
It just amazes me that this show got popular in the first place, quite honestly. It comes off as absolute garbage.
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Post by Revvie® on Dec 19, 2013 11:18:32 GMT -5
For me it is easy narrow down my thoughts on this.
He chose to be a public figure. In his case, he is tied to a specific company. What you say, what you do, etc...affects their bottom line. When a person becomes a public figure they open themselves to scrutiny. Actors/Actresses/Musicians/Etc all have to deal with this, and a good number hire a publicist to keep them out of harming their image.
The confusion here is, he had a right to free speech...he said it, the published it. He exercised his right in more ways than most people get to being in GQ. The problem is, if people are offended, they also have the right to free speech. If he becomes a liability to the company, and they have proper cause, they can remove him.
This show is essentially a place of work for him, and he went to that interview with the name of the company following him; whether he liked it or not. He got to exercise his right, and now people are doing the same.
Complaining that people are complaining. Is like saying, "His free speech is ok, but you cant be offended, or have free speech of your own."
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Post by RybackV1 on Dec 19, 2013 11:25:40 GMT -5
I thought the homosexuals wanted to be treated equally?
Now it seems they want to be treated specially.
And I never even watched this show. But am now a fan of Robertsons after reading his quotes.
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Post by Brad on Dec 19, 2013 12:10:19 GMT -5
He wasn't suspended for Christian beliefs. He was suspended because the way in which he voiced them were disgusting, ignorant, and unnecessary. I am a Christian yet I don't feel the same way as this man does. This is the type of person who gives a horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE name to Christianity in general. So because he believes in what is clearly stated in the bible, he gives a horrible name to christianity? What's sad is when we who believe are made to believe we should start changing what the bible says to match up with what the rest of the world thinks.
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Post by Brad on Dec 19, 2013 12:12:56 GMT -5
I feel the same way he does. Guess I should be suspsended too. Words like 'bigot' are thrown around way too much, and those who plea for 'tolerance' are the first to jump down someone's throat when that person says something they don't agree with. exactly
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 12:15:10 GMT -5
Okay, he doesn't agree with homosexuality, so what? These are his personal feelings and he's entitled to them(disagree of course) - he's not going around protesting and trying to get laws passed to make homosexuality illegal so move on.It's funny how on one hand you'll hear all these complaints that no one is ever honest these days and they're just fake but what do you expect when you go after someone when they are honest. It's to no one's advantage to be honest about how they feel anymore. We're at a point now to where you have to walk around being PC and not give a real opinion on something .
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Post by K5 on Dec 19, 2013 12:47:05 GMT -5
the guy is in the biggest reality show going, he probably should've just kept his outdated opinion to himself.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Dec 19, 2013 13:08:11 GMT -5
the guy is in the biggest reality show going, he probably should've just kept his outdated opinion to himself. Or he could've maintained his integrity and stood on what he believed in. I applaud him. It shows that fame nor any amount of money will alter his beliefs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 13:12:26 GMT -5
He wasn't suspended for Christian beliefs. He was suspended because the way in which he voiced them were disgusting, ignorant, and unnecessary. I am a Christian yet I don't feel the same way as this man does. This is the type of person who gives a horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE name to Christianity in general. So because he believes in what is clearly stated in the bible, he gives a horrible name to christianity? What's sad is when we who believe are made to believe we should start changing what the bible says to match up with what the rest of the world thinks. I respect your opinion & would never try to change minds or say that you're wrong, but I'll play devil's advocate on the "changing the bible" topic (to quote for the millionth time people that always use this example)…the bible mentions how to treat slaves So, by the logic of not changing anything whatsoever in the bible….that law/ethical view would never have been changed (not just non-whites were slaves, but the idea of slavery was acceptable) Does this mean that all Christians must support slavery? I think it's a book that is up for extreme subjectivity in interpreting its meaning among believers. Heck, e ven the versions we have now have changed over time, due to people adjusting their translations/interpretations, based on their opinion of what was said.Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." Does this mean that all Christians should support death of homosexual actions? I'm not saying by any means that the Bible is somehow supportive of homosexuality. It isn't, but for me personally…I think there's a lot in the Bible (killing people for prostitution, homosexuality, whipping a slave a certain amount of times being ok if they don't die, proper procedure for pimple popping) -- that just isn't necessarily meant to be set in stone for all eternity & is adjustable to change ones opinions based on each individual's translation/interpretation. Not everyone has to read it & get the same out of it on every single issue.
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Post by Revvie® on Dec 19, 2013 13:13:43 GMT -5
the guy is in the biggest reality show going, he probably should've just kept his outdated opinion to himself. Or he could've maintained his integrity and stood on what he believed in. I applaud him. It shows that fame nor any amount of money will alter his beliefs. Exactly, he kept his integrity, and his right to feel like he could speak as he may. The problem was, he wasn't entitled to be on a TV Show...it was good fortune. So all of this should mean nothing to him about people caring or him being booted from the show. That is what is baffling... People are upset because they feel he is entitled to being on tv...or so that is how it seems lately.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 13:18:09 GMT -5
My thoughts:
"I hate everybody".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 13:20:06 GMT -5
This is absolutely a case of freedom of speech no longer existing. Who cares if he's right or wrong? In fact there is no right or wrong on an opinion, and he's entitled to it as much as anyone else. Firing him over an opinion is ing disgusting behaviour and I hope he sues them for everything they have.
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Post by Revvie® on Dec 19, 2013 13:25:32 GMT -5
This is absolutely a case of freedom of speech no longer existing. Who cares if he's right or wrong? In fact there is no right or wrong on an opinion, and he's entitled to it as much as anyone else. Firing him over an opinion is ing disgusting behaviour and I hope he sues them for everything they have. This has literally nothing to do with free speech. If you work, inyour workplace can you do and say as you please? I haven't known a single place of employment where I didn't have to bite my tongue and tow some sort of company line...this is no different. >_>
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 13:34:15 GMT -5
This is absolutely a case of freedom of speech no longer existing. Who cares if he's right or wrong? In fact there is no right or wrong on an opinion, and he's entitled to it as much as anyone else. Firing him over an opinion is ing disgusting behaviour and I hope he sues them for everything they have. This has literally nothing to do with free speech. If you work, inyour workplace can you do and say as you please? I haven't known a single place of employment where I didn't have to bite my tongue and tow some sort of company line...this is no different. >_> agreed, the company has to consider other employees & they cannot support intolerance toward any group….forget the outside world, imagine the lawsuits that would come from within A&E if any employee felt the station supported his words
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 13:34:38 GMT -5
If you're going to say something, be sure you can face the consequences, if you can't, don't say it. Did he seriously think saying that would be ok? Did he seriously think that noone would say anything about that? If he did he's a friggin idiot that needs to be smacked in the face until he gets some common sense. He can believe what he wants about homosexuality, that's not the point, but if he seriously thought he could say that and not face any consequences for it he's a dumbass. I agree that he should be prepared to face consequences for things he says, and he is. My point is that people getting upset over these comments are pretty silly. Now the other comments in this thread about black people, well...funny we havent heard anything about that yet. But then again, anyone who is shocked that old redneck, hunting, christian, praying, grandpa isn't really down with homosexuality and is kind of racist, is naive as hell Its not surprising at all he feels the way he does, but he expressed how he felt in a very stupid manner, and he works for a company that supports gay rights. You can't do that and publicly say something negative against gays in a very stupid way and think the company is just gonna shrug off a potental PR disaster. Its not about "free speech" like everyone is crying about, its about being responsible with your words when they could effect you, your family, and your employer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 13:37:30 GMT -5
This is absolutely a case of freedom of speech no longer existing. Who cares if he's right or wrong? In fact there is no right or wrong on an opinion, and he's entitled to it as much as anyone else. Firing him over an opinion is ing disgusting behaviour and I hope he sues them for everything they have. This has literally nothing to do with free speech. If you work, inyour workplace can you do and say as you please? I haven't known a single place of employment where I didn't have to bite my tongue and tow some sort of company line...this is no different. >_> This has everything to do with free speech. Had he said this on TV on the show's network, then I may be inclined to agree with you. And yes, I always say and do what I want. One of the joys of being self-employed.
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Post by Revvie® on Dec 19, 2013 13:39:11 GMT -5
He isn't self employed when it comes to his TV show, but he can surely go back to do whatever he has been doing before it...and any interview done about Duck Dynasty or because of that show...falls under their contract, I assure you.
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Post by Brad on Dec 19, 2013 13:39:18 GMT -5
So because he believes in what is clearly stated in the bible, he gives a horrible name to christianity? What's sad is when we who believe are made to believe we should start changing what the bible says to match up with what the rest of the world thinks. I respect your opinion & would never try to change minds or say that you're wrong, but I'll play devil's advocate on the "changing the bible" topic (to quote for the millionth time people that always use this example)…the bible mentions how to treat slaves So, by the logic of not changing anything whatsoever in the bible….that law/ethical view would never have been changed (not just non-whites were slaves, but the idea of slavery was acceptable) Does this mean that all Christians must support slavery? I think it's a book that is up for extreme subjectivity in interpreting its meaning among believers. Heck, e ven the versions we have now have changed over time, due to people adjusting their translations/interpretations, based on their opinion of what was said.Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." Does this mean that all Christians should support death of homosexual actions? I'm not saying by any means that the Bible is somehow supportive of homosexuality. It isn't, but for me personally…I think there's a lot in the Bible (killing people for prostitution, homosexuality, whipping a slave a certain amount of times being ok if they don't die, proper procedure for pimple popping) -- that just isn't necessarily meant to be set in stone for all eternity & is adjustable to change ones opinions based on each individual's translation/interpretation. Not everyone has to read it & get the same out of it on every single issue. The scripture you quoted is old testament. People seem to not understand the difference between Old and New. It's two different covenants. The old testament way of addressing things was before Christ. Once he came, things changed. Hence the new testament. Homosexuality is addressed in the new testament. Being put to death is no longer tied to it. There's a lot more that I could say but I know religon is a touchy subject.
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Post by ICW on Dec 19, 2013 13:43:08 GMT -5
He wasn't suspended for Christian beliefs. He was suspended because the way in which he voiced them were disgusting, ignorant, and unnecessary. I am a Christian yet I don't feel the same way as this man does. This is the type of person who gives a horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE name to Christianity in general. So because he believes in what is clearly stated in the bible, he gives a horrible name to christianity? What's sad is when we who believe are made to believe we should start changing what the bible says to match up with what the rest of the world thinks. Where doe the Bible say: "It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man's anus. That's just me. I'm just thinking: There's more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I'm saying? But hey, sin: It's not logical, my man. It's just not logical." Yea, I don't see it there either.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 13:46:11 GMT -5
This has literally nothing to do with free speech. If you work, inyour workplace can you do and say as you please? I haven't known a single place of employment where I didn't have to bite my tongue and tow some sort of company line...this is no different. >_> This has everything to do with free speech. Had he said this on TV on the show's network, then I may be inclined to agree with you. And yes, I always say and do what I want. One of the joys of being self-employed. Freedom of speech doesn't give you freedom to say whatever you want, whenever you want, however you want with no consequences for your words. You may not be responsible for your words and actions, but other people have that responsibility in their lives and have to live up to it, and he didn't and is facing the consequences for it.
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