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Post by Adam on Dec 19, 2013 22:17:50 GMT -5
Thing is, his comments don't really upset me that much. Most people who make anti-gay statements just come across looking like complete fools to me so it's rather amusing. What irks me is the "They're my beliefs, now keep your mouth shut" attitude that people have. Sorry, but it goes both ways (no not like that).
This is identical to the Chick-Fil-A fiasco a couple years ago. The CEO voices his beliefs as he's permitted to, and I'm permitted to call his beliefs unfounded, ignorant, bigoted, etc. It's also my right to boycott his restaurant too, or in this case my right to stop watching Duck Dynasty even though I never saw the show. Where I spend my money and what shows I choose to watch is not infringing on anybody's freedom of speech. Neither is criticizing someone's viewpoint.
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 19, 2013 23:08:58 GMT -5
The Robertson family has basically told A&E the show wont go forward without Phil. So now the ball is in A&E's court....Guess what, Im willing to bet Phil never misses a show. Duck Dynasty is the money pit for A&E. They average 14 million viewers and are the highest rated show in network history. You cant go into any store and not find something Duck Dynasty somewhere. A&E knows where their bread is being buttered.
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Dec 19, 2013 23:32:42 GMT -5
lol.
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Post by Doomrider on Dec 19, 2013 23:46:23 GMT -5
Everyone's in the wrong for this one. Anyone offended that the old rich redneck who believes in a magic sky man is intolerant should not be outraged, nor surprised. The only offense here is a show like Duck Dynasty existing.
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Post by Tye Hyll on Dec 19, 2013 23:54:50 GMT -5
Anyone in defense of his statements are probably the same kind of people who thought racist statements back in the day were fine because free speech, blah blah. If you are a prick with hateful views then expect other people to express their free speech in telling you what an ass you are.
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Post by jeffro2000 on Dec 19, 2013 23:55:53 GMT -5
A "reality" show that is catching real life as it happens can fire a family member as if booting him from the family? I know they can because it is scripted TV, but passed off as real. Are they going to send him on a long hunting trip, or maybe digitize him out like WWF did with Flair's belt.
I just hate shows trying to pass stuff off as real (Survivor, BigBrother). DD members have admitted to the show being scripted/acted/etc.
As for Phil, no surprise about what he said. I felt his Christian views and love for talking about them would get him into trouble eventually. Should have said it a better way. The guy is old and not media savvy, so this is what happens. It's how he feels and it shouldn't shock anybody. I doubt he is overly concerned about the backlash. His beliefs are rooted in faith, and he doesn't have to apologize for that.
The other's aren't going to do the show without him, so A&E either scrapes it under a rug, sues everyone for breach of contract or whatever. Odds are the show goes on with Phil at the head of the table. Though he has talked in the past about leaving the show anyway. Bunch of fuss over nothing if you ask me.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Lime Green Jello! on Dec 20, 2013 0:58:19 GMT -5
I've never heard of this guy but I don't see the big deal about his comments in the GQ article. Its just another case of overly sensitive people getting offended at nothing.
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Post by johnnyb on Dec 20, 2013 1:00:40 GMT -5
Jesse, take us home:
"Organized religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers. It tells people to go out and stick their noses in other people's business. I live by the golden rule: Treat others as you'd want them to treat you. The religious right wants to tell people how to live."
Amen, brother.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 1:03:23 GMT -5
I don't see people being boycotted because they said something against straight people. I don't see the news media flaming someone because they say they don't like straight sex or find it disgusting. You're creating a false equivalency - the only public attacks are when someone straight criticizes or even comments on gay topics or behavior. And I completely disagree with you that it is "natural". The gay men that I have known, and I've known a lot in my business, are very nice men by and large - great in fact, but I would call them...well, I guess...sexually intellectually- disabled. That's probably the phrase I would use. They were dominated by their moms and generally had weak or absent dads. Many were sexually abused as kids/teens. I think they never made the jump that straight boys do from thinking of girls as "icky", probably because they're too attached for good or bad to their moms, to thinking of women in sexual terms. Gay men, for all their physical practices with each other, however acrobatic they may become, lol, are sexually immature. I've seen it, over and and over and over again. Bottom line for me - we can argue about this repeatedly. As I've said before, I don't care what gays do and I think they become dysfunctional with women at such a young age that they feel like they were "born that way". Which is fine with me. But I am tired of hearing that this is "normal" or that we should enshrine this unfortunate dysfunction with laws equating it to heterosexual marriage. And I'm glad that people are FINALLY starting to openly talk about REALITY instead of the pretense that we are forced to assume with the media and all these PC groups. People, whatever you think, just be honest. And try to be reasonable and kind to each other. That's the best we can do. When did you get your PHD in Psychology? And homosexuality is a choice? What about all the animals that exhibit homosexuality? They obviously didn't choose it, so why are humans different? Saying that homosexuality is a choice is one of the most ignorant statements a person can make. Well if saying the N word 20 years ago got Paula Deen fired, than you should get fired for saying anti gay statements Exactly. Everyone was up in arms about her racist comment and no one came to her defense about free speech. Why should this guy get a pass? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animalsMany of the animals used in laboratory-based studies of homosexuality do not appear to spontaneously exhibit these tendencies often in the wild. Such behavior is often elicited and exaggerated by the researcher during experimentation through the destruction of a portion of brain tissue, or by exposing the animal to high levels of steroid hormones prenatally.[22] Information gathered from these studies is limited when applied to spontaneously occurring same-sex behavior in animals outside of the laboratory.[22] So it is something the gay labratory guy is trying to MAKE happen.
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Post by King Silva on Dec 20, 2013 1:04:01 GMT -5
A "reality" show that is catching real life as it happens can fire a family member as if booting him from the family? I know they can because it is scripted TV, but passed off as real. Are they going to send him on a long hunting trip, or maybe digitize him out like WWF did with Flair's belt. I just hate shows trying to pass stuff off as real (Survivor, BigBrother). DD members have admitted to the show being scripted/acted/etc. As for Phil, no surprise about what he said. I felt his Christian views and love for talking about them would get him into trouble eventually. Should have said it a better way. The guy is old and not media savvy, so this is what happens. It's how he feels and it shouldn't shock anybody. I doubt he is overly concerned about the backlash. His beliefs are rooted in faith, and he doesn't have to apologize for that. The other's aren't going to do the show without him, so A&E either scrapes it under a rug, sues everyone for breach of contract or whatever. Odds are the show goes on with Phil at the head of the table. Though he has talked in the past about leaving the show anyway. Bunch of fuss over nothing if you ask me. Not to get to off topic but Survivor is not scripted.. Big Brother maybe since it seems a lot of people complain about 'production interfering' but I've never heard that from Survivor. Back on topic, with the family vowing to not continue on without their dad that makes things interesting. The ball is in A&E's court I guess.
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 20, 2013 1:08:08 GMT -5
The best part about all of this is he said what he wanted to say, the Liberal media tried to bury him and he's going to go right back on TV preaching & praying and it will continue to be the #1 show on A&E!! Cant wait to see more people bitch and whine as his show keeps getting bigger, he keeps making money and getting more & more attention and the non believers cant do anything to stop it.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Dec 20, 2013 1:23:45 GMT -5
When did you get your PHD in Psychology? And homosexuality is a choice? What about all the animals that exhibit homosexuality? They obviously didn't choose it, so why are humans different? Saying that homosexuality is a choice is one of the most ignorant statements a person can make. Exactly. Everyone was up in arms about her racist comment and no one came to her defense about free speech. Why should this guy get a pass? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animalsMany of the animals used in laboratory-based studies of homosexuality do not appear to spontaneously exhibit these tendencies often in the wild. Such behavior is often elicited and exaggerated by the researcher during experimentation through the destruction of a portion of brain tissue, or by exposing the animal to high levels of steroid hormones prenatally.[22] Information gathered from these studies is limited when applied to spontaneously occurring same-sex behavior in animals outside of the laboratory.[22] So it is something the gay labratory guy is trying to MAKE happen. You missed the next paragraph:
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Dec 20, 2013 2:02:58 GMT -5
Anyone in defense of his statements are probably the same kind of people who thought racist statements back in the day were fine because free speech, blah blah. If you are a prick with hateful views then expect other people to express their free speech in telling you what an ass you are. And that's what I've been doing, but haha I've been attacked myself for my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 2:21:19 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animalsMany of the animals used in laboratory-based studies of homosexuality do not appear to spontaneously exhibit these tendencies often in the wild. Such behavior is often elicited and exaggerated by the researcher during experimentation through the destruction of a portion of brain tissue, or by exposing the animal to high levels of steroid hormones prenatally.[22] Information gathered from these studies is limited when applied to spontaneously occurring same-sex behavior in animals outside of the laboratory.[22] So it is something the gay labratory guy is trying to MAKE happen. You missed the next paragraph: Yeah I read the rest of the article too. Wow. Didn't know it existed in that quantity. But to Quote Young Frankenstein....Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Yes, I did read something of that incident when I was a student, but you have to remember that a worm... with very few exceptions... is not a human being. Yeah human beings are not animals. We CAN make choices unlike them.
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Post by Adam on Dec 20, 2013 7:27:58 GMT -5
Yeah human beings are not animals. We CAN make choices unlike them. Actually, yes we are.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Dec 20, 2013 9:34:00 GMT -5
You missed the next paragraph: Yeah I read the rest of the article too. Wow. Didn't know it existed in that quantity. But to Quote Young Frankenstein....Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Yes, I did read something of that incident when I was a student, but you have to remember that a worm... with very few exceptions... is not a human being. Yeah human beings are not animals. We CAN make choices unlike them. First of all, yes we are in fact animals. Second of all, since animals don't choose to be homosexual, what makes you think humans can? I'm sorry but saying that homosexuality is a chosen lifestyle couldn't be more ignorant. Are you gay? Do you know what it's like to be gay? Unless you are, you really shouldn't make presumptions about things you don't understand. How do you know it's a choice? Are you a psychologist? Are you able to read others minds? What makes you an expert on the subject to be able to tell others how they feel about something you know nothing about.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Dec 20, 2013 9:51:53 GMT -5
The best part about all of this is he said what he wanted to say, the Liberal media tried to bury him and he's going to go right back on TV preaching & praying and it will continue to be the #1 show on A&E!! Cant wait to see more people bitch and whine as his show keeps getting bigger, he keeps making money and getting more & more attention and the non believers cant do anything to stop it. Conservatives try to bury homosexuality and make it look like an "evil sin", but it's more accepted now than it ever was and will continue to be more and more accepted by society and the "believers" can't do anything to stop it.
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Post by Angel Beast on Dec 20, 2013 10:00:22 GMT -5
I find it funny that there is a lot of people crying that this hillbilly redneck's homophobic and close minded comments are free speech but when Alec Baldwin makes homophobic and close minded remarks people wanted his ass gone from MSNBC.
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Post by JC Motors on Dec 20, 2013 10:03:01 GMT -5
A "reality" show that is catching real life as it happens can fire a family member as if booting him from the family? I know they can because it is scripted TV, but passed off as real. Are they going to send him on a long hunting trip, or maybe digitize him out like WWF did with Flair's belt. I just hate shows trying to pass stuff off as real (Survivor, BigBrother). DD members have admitted to the show being scripted/acted/etc. As for Phil, no surprise about what he said. I felt his Christian views and love for talking about them would get him into trouble eventually. Should have said it a better way. The guy is old and not media savvy, so this is what happens. It's how he feels and it shouldn't shock anybody. I doubt he is overly concerned about the backlash. His beliefs are rooted in faith, and he doesn't have to apologize for that. The other's aren't going to do the show without him, so A&E either scrapes it under a rug, sues everyone for breach of contract or whatever. Odds are the show goes on with Phil at the head of the table. Though he has talked in the past about leaving the show anyway. Bunch of fuss over nothing if you ask me. Reality TV ruined society
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Post by Adam on Dec 20, 2013 10:38:19 GMT -5
Reality TV ruined society Definitely reposting for emphasis, however it's society's fault for allowing it.
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