HalfBlackRazorback
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Im calling it tonight Bray Wyatt beats Bryan and the IWC explodes
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Post by HalfBlackRazorback on Jan 11, 2014 17:46:26 GMT -5
Look at it from this perspective. The Most hated teams in Pro sports are the Yankees, Patriots, Lakers. Why because they're dynasties . Outside of the fans of those teams the rest of them loathe them and want to see them crush. Were wired to like the next big thing. We always want to see whats next. I can remember a time when people were clamoring for Cena to get the belt. However like Punk said in that interview. He is a dynasty. We as a people are ready for a changing of the guard.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Jan 11, 2014 18:41:16 GMT -5
Another one-off question: Do you ever look at a wrestler, find out who is credited as their primary mentor & find yourself shocked & disillusioned with your discovery? I ask this with a particular reference in mind. Haku & Rick Stiener were both trained by Harley Race. Now I understand the story behind Haku's affiliation & even see part of it in his style, but Steiner just shocked me. This means two of the most overlooked tough men in wrestling history each have a training lineage beginning with Stanislaus & Wladek Zybysko. That's crazier than Damien Sandow having his lineage traced back to someone who wrestled Bill Muldoon! with the assistance of cagematch, my friend and I have invented "the wrestling training game". Trace any random wrestler back as far as you can to see where they were trained. We narrowed it down to a base of like 10 wrestlers for pretty much anyone worth a half a damn. We came up with some really nutty paths too, like deathmatch guys being traced back to Thesz
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 11, 2014 20:08:21 GMT -5
Another one-off question: Do you ever look at a wrestler, find out who is credited as their primary mentor & find yourself shocked & disillusioned with your discovery? I ask this with a particular reference in mind. Haku & Rick Stiener were both trained by Harley Race. Now I understand the story behind Haku's affiliation & even see part of it in his style, but Steiner just shocked me. This means two of the most overlooked tough men in wrestling history each have a training lineage beginning with Stanislaus & Wladek Zybysko. That's crazier than Damien Sandow having his lineage traced back to someone who wrestled Bill Muldoon! with the assistance of cagematch, my friend and I have invented "the wrestling training game". Trace any random wrestler back as far as you can to see where they were trained. We narrowed it down to a base of like 10 wrestlers for pretty much anyone worth a half a damn. We came up with some really nutty paths too, like deathmatch guys being traced back to Thesz Please send this information to me via PM! I HAVE to know which bafoons of barbarism to which you allude!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2014 21:42:07 GMT -5
with the assistance of cagematch, my friend and I have invented "the wrestling training game". Trace any random wrestler back as far as you can to see where they were trained. We narrowed it down to a base of like 10 wrestlers for pretty much anyone worth a half a damn. We came up with some really nutty paths too, like deathmatch guys being traced back to Thesz Please send this information to me via PM! I HAVE to know which bafoons of barbarism to which you allude!!!! I second this request please
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Jan 11, 2014 22:09:58 GMT -5
with the assistance of cagematch, my friend and I have invented "the wrestling training game". Trace any random wrestler back as far as you can to see where they were trained. We narrowed it down to a base of like 10 wrestlers for pretty much anyone worth a half a damn. We came up with some really nutty paths too, like deathmatch guys being traced back to Thesz Please send this information to me via PM! I HAVE to know which bafoons of barbarism to which you allude!!!! JC Bailey > Tracy Smothers > Stan Lane > Ric Flair > Billy Robinson, Hiro Matsuda, Verne Gagne Play it on cagematch.net sometime. Find any random wrestler, then click their trainer, and just keep clicking trainers until you reach a dead end. JC Bailey to Verne Gagne/Billy Robinson with Ric Flair in between is one of the stranger ones I've found. It's more fun when you pick a completely outrageous base wrestler, because it's funnier where you end up. You'll find a lot of dead ends though
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Jan 11, 2014 22:16:24 GMT -5
Please send this information to me via PM! I HAVE to know which bafoons of barbarism to which you allude!!!! I second this request please Spyder Nate Webb > Don Basher > "Mr. Electricity" Steve Regal > Wilbur Snyder > Warren Bockwinkel you cannot tell me that Wilbur Snyder and Warren Bockwinkel had THIS in mind:
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 15, 2014 2:43:09 GMT -5
Please send this information to me via PM! I HAVE to know which bafoons of barbarism to which you allude!!!! JC Bailey > Tracy Smothers > Stan Lane > Ric Flair > Billy Robinson, Hiro Matsuda, Verne Gagne Play it on cagematch.net sometime. Find any random wrestler, then click their trainer, and just keep clicking trainers until you reach a dead end. JC Bailey to Verne Gagne/Billy Robinson with Ric Flair in between is one of the stranger ones I've found. It's more fun when you pick a completely outrageous base wrestler, because it's funnier where you end up. You'll find a lot of dead ends though I have to thank you for introducing me to Cagematch. Along with Wrestling Classics Messageboard, it's been the first site in a long time to help me broaden my perspective & knowledge on the subject. I'm a fan until further notice!
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 18, 2014 3:42:45 GMT -5
Why does WWE CONSTANTLY construe information? For example: Shawn Michaels is often refered to as the promotion's first "Grand-Slam Champion", but Pedro Morales held the WWWF Heavyweight, Intercontinental, & World Tag-Team Championships when Michaels was still going through puberty.
The only reason I could deduce was their inclusion of the North American title last held by Ted Dibiase, but they don't recognize the title's history on WWE.com so the idea is up for debate.
Another example is Chris Jericho being called "The first undisputed champion". If they would just say "The first in WWE history." then there would be no issue, but anyone who knows the name of Thesz is aware of the fallaciousness of WWE's claim to Jericho's pseudo-achievement. The only reason Thesz was recognized is because he became champion prior to the birth of any rival promotion to the NWA.
Anyone else have a case of WWE revising history or putting spins on things that makes their skin crawl?
This B.S they're spewing about Danielson being trained by Michaels as if they had a "Mick & Rocky" bond just aggravates me to no end. It's a used urinal cake on William Regal's plate at every meal & shows how little they value his name. I don't care if Shawn is a better performer, Regal is far more deserving of the recognition. ESPECIALLY considering that any dummy who watches a Regal match, a Danielson match, & a Michaels will instantly know who the REAL mentor's identity.
If Danielson isn't a cross between Jonny Saint, Billy Robinson, William Regal, Jushin Thunder Liger, & Dynamite Kid wrapped into a vegan hipster with an appreciation for 19ty century views on the correlation between manhood & prominence of facial hair, while still possessing a slightly effeminate heart of gold, then WHAT THE HELL IS HE!?!?
Discuss!
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Post by T R W on Jan 18, 2014 15:01:44 GMT -5
Why does WWE CONSTANTLY construe information? For example: Shawn Michaels is often refered to as the promotion's first "Grand-Slam Champion", but Pedro Morales held the WWWF Heavyweight, Intercontinental, & World Tag-Team Championships when Michaels was still going through puberty. The only reason I could deduce was their inclusion of the North American title last held by Ted Dibiase, but they don't recognize the title's history on WWE.com so the idea is up for debate. Another example is Chris Jericho being called "The first undisputed champion". If they would just say "The first in WWE history." then there would be no issue, but anyone who knows the name of Thesz is aware of the fallaciousness of WWE's claim to Jericho's pseudo-achievement. The only reason Thesz was recognized is because he became champion prior to the birth of any rival promotion to the NWA. Anyone else have a case of WWE revising history or putting spins on things that makes their skin crawl? This B.S they're spewing about Danielson being trained by Michaels as if they had a "Mick & Rocky" bond just aggravates me to no end. It's a used urinal cake on William Regal's plate at every meal & shows how little they value his name. I don't care if Shawn is a better performer, Regal is far more deserving of the recognition. ESPECIALLY considering that any dummy who watches a Regal match, a Danielson match, & a Michaels will instantly know who the REAL mentor's identity. If Danielson isn't a cross between Jonny Saint, Billy Robinson, William Regal, Jushin Thunder Liger, & Dynamite Kid wrapped into a vegan hipster with an appreciation for 19ty century views on the correlation between manhood & prominence of facial hair, while still possessing a slightly effeminate heart of gold, then WHAT THE HELL IS HE!?!? Discuss! In short, because history is written by the winners. By outlasting and eliminating virtually all competition, the WWE has pretty much free reign to re-write history to fit whatever narrative they want to tell. Most current fans don't know any better, and most of them don't really care either. But to be honest, it's not a new thing. Since I started watching wrestling in 1980, the industry has always had a real bad case of amnesia when it comes to events from weeks, years, or decades past.
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Post by mikey1974 on Jan 18, 2014 16:00:54 GMT -5
Michaels was the first guy to hold all of the active titles at that time - WWF World,IC,Tag Team,and European. he was also the first guy to specifically hold those 4 Belts.they specifically made it a point to acknowledge others had been Triple Crown Champions before (World,IC,Tag),but he was the first guy to hold 4 different currently active Championships in the WWF.
as far as the North American Title...yeah,once it's not being used anymore,they pretty much forget it's history. they don't talk about the European Title anymore either,or really Michaels being the Grand Slam Champion for that matter.not to mention the North American Belt kinda morphed into the IC Championship,as it was forgotten by the WWF in 1979 and basically replaced by the Intercontinental Championship the same year. so the NA Title was almost like an experiment to see if a secondary singles Title would fly.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 19, 2014 16:35:47 GMT -5
As much as I advocate the artistic positives of wrestling, I'll never deny the cut & dry simplicity of most matches & how they're immensely enjoyable regardless,
I'm sitting here watching the last ECW episode to ever be shown by Classics on demand since the service is being shut down, & I'm loving the FBI's shtick with One Man Gang as I wait for Dreamer to hit the ring with Singapore cane in tow.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Jan 19, 2014 17:06:03 GMT -5
Think of Shawn Michaels being the first grand slam champion like a baseball game where the bases are loaded and the current batter delivers a home run. There is a reason why grand slam is associated with the number four and triple-crown is associated with the number three. For instance, if a tennis player wins the Australian Open, the French Open, and US Open, he/she would be a triple crown. If you add Wimbledon, it would be a grand slam. Also, if you add an Olympic gold medal, it would be a golden slam.
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Post by JC Motors on Jan 19, 2014 19:03:24 GMT -5
What wrestler had the first cross dressing gimmick?
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Post by gravedigger3 on Jan 19, 2014 19:48:57 GMT -5
What wrestler had the first cross dressing gimmick? Would Gorgeous George count? If not it's probably Goldust
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Post by mikey1974 on Jan 19, 2014 20:35:39 GMT -5
Gourgeous George,then Exotic Adrian Street,then Adorable Adrian Adonis,then Goldust.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 19, 2014 20:49:53 GMT -5
Gourgeous George,then Exotic Adrian Street,then Adorable Adrian Adonis,then Goldust. Gorgeous George wasn't meant to be a cross dresser, but rather an effeminate male with a pompous demeanor meant to ignite the hatred of fans obsessed with masculinity, if I recall correctly. Now Adrian flat out wore drag, but could do an American style head scissors & wrestle the broadway like Flair back in the early 80s.
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gravedigger3
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Post by gravedigger3 on Jan 22, 2014 17:46:44 GMT -5
Here's something I've always wondered. I often hear about Ultimate Warrior and Udertaker having a feud, but when I look it up all I find is house match results with them competing. My question is did they ever actually have a televised match or segment?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 18:21:04 GMT -5
Here's something I've always wondered. I often hear about Ultimate Warrior and Udertaker having a feud, but when I look it up all I find is house match results with them competing. My question is did they ever actually have a televised match or segment? If you have ten minutes this might help
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Post by Justin on Jan 22, 2014 18:38:42 GMT -5
Why haven't hipster wrestling fans developed a "Kayfabe counter culture" yet? Where you recognize your value as a Theateical element to the quality of the performance. Imagine if fans thought it was cool to act like kayfabe fans. From the moment you're in the arena parking lot, you're committing to the character of being an educated, passionate fan from the 60s. Faces would be applauded, heels would get Nuclear heat, & everyone would be verbally dedicated upon when they displayed poor wrestling ability. When a wrestler won in spite of blowing the spot(s), fans would bombard them with ridiculing phrases such as "Fluke finish!", "Anyone can win with a dumb referee!", "Fast count!", or my favorite, "You stupid bum! That match was a fix! How dare you disgrace this SPORT by taking a dive!" in response to the clearly, superior wrestler whom somehow lost. But.... The moment you left the arena, you went home & spoke as we normally do. It would make wrestling vastly more interesting. Especially if fans could somehow keep it a secret in order to flip the script on whose actually being worked. It would be stupendous. I just saw this thread and holy crap that's a great idea
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gravedigger3
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Post by gravedigger3 on Jan 23, 2014 1:15:13 GMT -5
Here's something I've always wondered. I often hear about Ultimate Warrior and Udertaker having a feud, but when I look it up all I find is house match results with them competing. My question is did they ever actually have a televised match or segment? If you have ten minutes this might help This was awesome thank you for sharing, not gonna lie I like the idea of Taler and Warrior as a tag team
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