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Post by JokerFC on Jun 9, 2019 6:18:56 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly. Its incredible to me that DC/WB management continues to f*ck up repeatedly......Teen Titans was awesome. By all accounts this is too...but its seemingly getting canned just like Constantine. I mean they own their own channel.....CW why wasn't Constantine rehoused there? absolute rubbish out of them AGAIN. Apparently, the whole service is being reevaluated right now. Absolutely nobody should be surprised by this.....my God they are shambolic. Its incredible to see really..... |
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 13, 2019 16:42:41 GMT -5
Finally saw Shazam. Yikes... I felt like people generally enjoyed it from what I read and heard. I’d say it was a 4/10 at best. Truly one of the poorest wide release films I’ve seen in recent memory.
Not funny, generic fight scenes, over abundance of Batman and Superman plugs, meaningless characters that felt like a Disney Channel original foster family. I liked the first act. Probably through the boardroom scene they had me hooked. Then the entire thing fell off the rails. I know DC has had their problems but I’m actually surprised at how awful I thought it turned out.
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Post by JokerFC on Aug 30, 2019 12:24:38 GMT -5
The Joker is my favourite comic book villain without a doubt. He is also easily in my top 10 overall characters....but I have less than zero interest in whatever this is.
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 30, 2019 13:59:07 GMT -5
The Joker is my favourite comic book villain without a doubt. He is also easily in my top 10 overall characters....but I have less than zero interest in whatever this is. I feel the same way. I don't care for Phoenix to begin with and the story seems very Earth One reimagining in nature. I'm sure I'll get around to seeing it but it doesn't feel like it is for me. I also think so much of why the Joker works is because we know so little about him, and what motivates him. I know you prefer Jack to Health but so much of Ledger's Joker worked because his dialogue was his twisted reality. The "my father" lines and what not. Batman can't break Joker because Joker isn't motivated by the same vices as normal people. Giving him an origin story humanizes him, and will likely making him less cool. I picked up Titans on Blu-ray and holy sh*t was I impressed. What a great show. I honestly think it landed right up there with Season 2 of Flash & Arrow. I had no idea I was going to like it so much. I can't wait to watch Season 2. I thought the Dick Grayson episode to end Season 1 was absolutely phenomenal comic book television. I'm floored to see Dick put on the Nightwing suit. |
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 30, 2019 16:45:06 GMT -5
I agree. For the kind of movie they're trying to make, I imagine Joker will be successful. It just isn't for me.
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Post by IRS on Aug 30, 2019 18:30:57 GMT -5
The Joker is my favourite comic book villain without a doubt. He is also easily in my top 10 overall characters....but I have less than zero interest in whatever this is. I feel the same way. I don't care for Phoenix to begin with and the story seems very Earth One reimagining in nature. I'm sure I'll get around to seeing it but it doesn't feel like it is for me. I also think so much of why the Joker works is because we know so little about him, and what motivates him. I know you prefer Jack to Health but so much of Ledger's Joker worked because his dialogue was his twisted reality. The "my father" lines and what not. Batman can't break Joker because Joker isn't motivated by the same vices as normal people. Giving him an origin story humanizes him, and will likely making him less cool. I picked up Titans on Blu-ray and holy sh*t was I impressed. What a great show. I honestly think it landed right up there with Season 2 of Flash & Arrow. I had no idea I was going to like it so much. I can't wait to watch Season 2. I thought the Dick Grayson episode to end Season 1 was absolutely phenomenal comic book television. I'm floored to see Dick put on the Nightwing suit. Wait until you see Doom Patrol. I went in with no expectations, like Titans, and was slapped silly with joy. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 22:37:33 GMT -5
To the ones who are anti-Joker movie(which is fine, to each their own) because it gives him a backstory, what are your thoughts on "The Killing Joke"? The book not the trash animated film.
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 31, 2019 2:16:10 GMT -5
To the ones who are anti-Joker movie(which is fine, to each their own) because it gives him a backstory, what are your thoughts on "The Killing Joke"? The book not the trash animated film. Book is trash too IMO. Alan Moore is a lot of things, but a good Batman writer is not one of them. |
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Post by hbkjason on Aug 31, 2019 14:07:03 GMT -5
I hate the Killing Joke as both a movie and a book. The Joker trailer is doing nothing for me at all! It looks like some really pretentious BS if you ask me and I just do not see the appeal in knowing the back story of the Joker at all.
To me this seems like the kind of movie that people will be raving about using all kinds of big and fancy words and talking about how it is a thinking mans comic book movie much like some do with the Nolan Batman universe. Which is cool, people can like what they like and I am happy for them. For me though, I am really not interested in this at all.
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Post by The Dave on Aug 31, 2019 19:27:02 GMT -5
This looks like a movie that was supposed to be something not related to comic books at all, then it was reskinned with The Joker at the last minute.
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 1, 2019 14:27:54 GMT -5
To the ones who are anti-Joker movie(which is fine, to each their own) because it gives him a backstory, what are your thoughts on "The Killing Joke"? The book not the trash animated film. I think thematically, TKJ is super important. Moore created a dichotomy between Joker and Batman that still influences books three decades later. Particularly the last few panels. Batman laughs, in frustration, because he knows the vicious cycle is never ending. Moore is also the first guy, that I remember, who proposed the one bad day theory, as it pertains to Batman. Meaning, Batman is just one bad day away from becoming the Joker. They’re just two sides of the same crazy coin, only divided by Batman’s code. The two big complaints are the failed comedian/family man element, which I’ve always seen about 50/50 criticism on, and the misogyny as it pertains to Barbara, mostly the home invasion elements, which is definitely a last decade criticism. The movie seemingly borrows heavily from the comedian elements and so I think it has an uphill climb with plenty of Bat fans out of the gate. I personally like the Barbara panels, despite what it might imply about Moore as a writer/person in the late 80s. I think Moore kind of got lucky that Oracle was born out of that moment and became a really great character in the years that followed. That has curbed some of the criticism imo. Regardless, I don’t expect the Barbara moment to be a factor in the Joker movie, and I don’t expect to see Batman unless they’re keeping that a big reveal. So I think so much of what makes TKJ one of the most famous pieces of Batman storytelling isn’t going to factor into the film, despite being rooted in a similar origin. It seems blatantly more The King of Comedy than an adaption of TKJ. TKJ isn’t one of my favorite stories, but I do respect its importance, even though it was technically a non canon interpretation at the time. V and From Hell are my favorite Moore works. I don’t think the story cracks the all time great Batman stories outside of the scope of the foundation it laid, either. Although, Barbara getting shot is up there as an all time great moment in Batman’s lore imo. Again though, this doesn’t seem like TKJ to me. I’m not getting that vibe from it. |
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 3, 2019 5:45:56 GMT -5
Lads have covered my thoughts on the Killing Joke perfectly....
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Post by RAC on Sept 3, 2019 7:20:33 GMT -5
Yeah, glad to see I'm not alone on that front.
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 3, 2019 17:42:54 GMT -5
The Joker is my favourite comic book villain without a doubt. He is also easily in my top 10 overall characters....but I have less than zero interest in whatever this is. I feel the same way. I don't care for Phoenix to begin with and the story seems very Earth One reimagining in nature. I'm sure I'll get around to seeing it but it doesn't feel like it is for me. I also think so much of why the Joker works is because we know so little about him, and what motivates him. I know you prefer Jack to Health but so much of Ledger's Joker worked because his dialogue was his twisted reality. The "my father" lines and what not. Batman can't break Joker because Joker isn't motivated by the same vices as normal people. Giving him an origin story humanizes him, and will likely making him less cool. I picked up Titans on Blu-ray and holy sh*t was I impressed. What a great show. I honestly think it landed right up there with Season 2 of Flash & Arrow. I had no idea I was going to like it so much. I can't wait to watch Season 2. I thought the Dick Grayson episode to end Season 1 was absolutely phenomenal comic book television. I'm floored to see Dick put on the Nightwing suit. Titans was incredible man.....best thing DC/WB have put out for years. |
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Post by MacReady on Sept 4, 2019 10:39:49 GMT -5
Joker looks like trash, made for edge-lords and high brow "film buffs" and the pretentious cast & crew to look their nose down on comic book movies... all while being in a comic book movie. (I'm looking at you, Marc Maron.)
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 4, 2019 21:19:23 GMT -5
Joker looks like trash, made for edge-lords and high brow "film buffs" and the pretentious cast & crew to look their nose down on comic book movies... all while being in a comic book movie. (I'm looking at you, Marc Maron.) I feel the same way. I’m all for new interpretations, but when the director comes out and literally says that they took nothing about the character from the source material, why even call it Joker? Just call it Clown. On The Killing Joke debate, I love he comic, and DC has retconned it into cannon, but Joker’s backstory in it is now considered more of a “possibility” than what actually happened. I’m fine with the comics possibly giving clues to Jokers backstory, but a whole movie like this makes no sense to me (and I love Joker in Batman ‘89). I wasn’t as harsh on Leto as others based on the fact that Suicide Squad was a mess and that Leto says they shot enough footage for a whole movie on him and Harley. I agree that some of the tattoos went overboard, but I was interested in seeing more of his version of the Joker. It’s a shame that we’re getting this Phoenix version instead that takes no inspiration from the comics what so ever. |
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Post by hbkjason on Sept 5, 2019 3:01:49 GMT -5
What the hell is the deal with people online now referring to Joker as a  ing antihero?  ? I already hate the community that this movie is creating lol. |
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 5, 2019 5:05:31 GMT -5
Joker looks like trash, made for edge-lords and high brow "film buffs" and the pretentious cast & crew to look their nose down on comic book movies... all while being in a comic book movie. (I'm looking at you, Marc Maron.) Bingo...... |
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Post by Artie Kendall on Sept 6, 2019 11:10:22 GMT -5
Count me as one of the pretentious blowhards that likes what has been released so far for Joker. I like story over action when it comes to comic book films and I know that goes against what so many people like. It is going to be hard to pull off a movie like this. Villains typically work only because of the limited screen time given. So a difficult task but I'm intrigued to see what they do.
Enough from me. I need to go look at my films that I never watch that are alphabetical by director and make room for more Criterions.
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