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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 2:21:36 GMT -5
I don't know about you guys but I'm tire of these wrestlers who constantly get the WWE champion despite lack of wrestling and mic talent. John Cena Randy Orton Triple H (I'm tire of him holding onto the title) Daniel Bryan CM Punk (best in the world? My ass) Del Rio Sheamus Wrestlers that should be WWE champion Rey Mysterio Brock Lesnar Cesaro Ryback I hate to call somebody out like this, but lack of wrestling and mic talent? Punk and Bryan are two of the best wrestlers out there and Punk is sensational on the microphone. Also, the only people on that list who constantly get the belt are Cena, Orton and HHH. The rest rarely hold the belt. My bad, I meant only Cena, HHH, and Orton (tire of them with belt, only Cena has no talent). Yeah both Punk and Bryan are good on mic and have wrestling talent. I just don't like Punk and I can't stand Bryan. Rather have lesnar, Cesaro, Ryback, and Mysterio instead of those two. Just personal opinion...but they are still better than Cena. I just think Bryan try to hard with his lame IMO Yes! Yes! Yes! chant. Punk calling himself the best in the world bother me cause Mysterio, Lesnar is better than him.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 2:24:14 GMT -5
Blue Meanie should've had a run. if not dozens...on the treadmill. razor ramon comes to mind, and it probably would've happened naturally had he not jumped ship. i know i'll get a lot of flack, but jeff jarrett. the dude was really over in 98 and could've easily gone into a feud with rock that would've cemented him. triple h and him were essentially battling for roles as the big heel that was gonna make the move upwards. You wont get flack from me because that statement is spot on. Basically after WM15 Vince had a tough choice to make between HHH,JJ & Billy Gunn as the guy who was going to be Austin's next big opponent after the Ministry/Vince feud. HHH was the one who made the cut....he had nuclear heat after turning on(the still hugely over)DX @wm15 and had the wins on PPV to back it up as well as endorsement from Austin as the one he would prefer to feud with. As most know there was a long standing natural heat between Austin & JJ from WAY back when. But according to many? JJ was RIGHT there when Vince made the choice. I wonder what would have happened had he not went to WCW? I don't think he had bottomed out in WWF personally.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 2:25:30 GMT -5
This thread again. The answer is: Pretty much nobody. In the 80s/early 90s era... Mr Perfect, Ted DiBiase, Rick Rude, Jake Roberts etc were never better world champion choices than Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior and Randy Savage. Do you really think Hulk Hogan vs Ted DiBiase would've been a better main event for WrestleMania V than seeing the Mega-Powers explode? Do you really think Hulk Hogan vs Mr Perfect would've been a better main event for WrestleMania VI than The Ultimate Challenge? Belts didn't change hands all the time in those days. It's silly to view 1980s wrestling through the prism of today where every main event guy wins the title. In the new generation era... It was slim pickings for top guys, but this is the only era that has much of a case for a couple of guys that could have been champion. You could argue Lex Luger should've won it from Yokozuna, or that heel Razor should've been a transitional champion from Diesel to Bret (or Diesel to Shawn even). In the attitude era... Everybody that was at that world champion level did get a run with the belt because we were in the era of it changing hands more often. Same with the Ruthless Aggression era and the current era. Matter of opinion, but Hogan to me was the most boring-est champion only to get offset by John Cena. Only Ultimate Warrior to me was actually fun to watch. Hogan is the most overrated non talented wrestler in the history of the wrestling business.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 2:29:31 GMT -5
This thread again. The answer is: Pretty much nobody. In the 80s/early 90s era... Mr Perfect, Ted DiBiase, Rick Rude, Jake Roberts etc were never better world champion choices than Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior and Randy Savage. Do you really think Hulk Hogan vs Ted DiBiase would've been a better main event for WrestleMania V than seeing the Mega-Powers explode? Do you really think Hulk Hogan vs Mr Perfect would've been a better main event for WrestleMania VI than The Ultimate Challenge? Belts didn't change hands all the time in those days. It's silly to view 1980s wrestling through the prism of today where every main event guy wins the title. In the new generation era... It was slim pickings for top guys, but this is the only era that has much of a case for a couple of guys that could have been champion. You could argue Lex Luger should've won it from Yokozuna, or that heel Razor should've been a transitional champion from Diesel to Bret (or Diesel to Shawn even). In the attitude era... Everybody that was at that world champion level did get a run with the belt because we were in the era of it changing hands more often. Same with the Ruthless Aggression era and the current era. Matter of opinion, but Hogan to me was the most boring-est champion only to get offset by John Cena. Only Ultimate Warrior to me was actually fun to watch. Hogan is the most overrated non talented wrestler in the history of the wrestling business. Hogan is overrated and no talent? Good grief I despair. VERY few wrestlers could work the crowd like Hogan......a HUGE talent in itself. What he did in ring was basic for sure but it was certainly enough to get the job done with the crowd. And I will tell you this.......Hogan could have worked rings around Warrior and was far more capable in the ring too in terms of rate, pyschology and awareness..
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 2:39:38 GMT -5
Matter of opinion, but Hogan to me was the most boring-est champion only to get offset by John Cena. Only Ultimate Warrior to me was actually fun to watch. Hogan is the most overrated non talented wrestler in the history of the wrestling business. Hogan is overrated and no talent? Good grief I despair. VERY few wrestlers could work the crowd like Hogan......a HUGE talent in itself. What he did in ring was basic for sure but it was certainly enough to get the job done with the crowd. And I will tell you this.......Hogan could have worked rings around Warrior and was far more capable in the ring too in terms of rate, pyschology and awareness.. Yes I'll give you that Hogan is good on the mic (for that time period) and had a huge talent working the crowd. Nonetheless like you said his in ring skills is basic and that where I consider him overrated. John Cena is the modern day Hulk Hogan with a far worst-er mic skills. They both share the same traits of being loved by the crowd and respected by their fellow wrestler. I still don't find that impressive, considering they both play it safe to get on the company good side.
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Post by knupmc on May 25, 2014 9:32:34 GMT -5
Ted dibiase sr and jr should've held the whc Owen hart Big bossman Rey mysterio(should've been more than 2 hours) Mr perfect Mark henry Goldust Bobby lashley Ted Jr? Really? Did you ever see him? Dude sucked. I personally liked him in and out of the ring. Great guy in real life, for I've met him. I think he could've played the role of a heel or face as whc, and he wasn't all the bad in the ring. Even for a month would've been nice
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Post by The Kevstaaa on May 25, 2014 9:43:56 GMT -5
I hate to call somebody out like this, but lack of wrestling and mic talent? Punk and Bryan are two of the best wrestlers out there and Punk is sensational on the microphone. Also, the only people on that list who constantly get the belt are Cena, Orton and HHH. The rest rarely hold the belt. My bad, I meant only Cena, HHH, and Orton (tire of them with belt, only Cena has no talent). Yeah both Punk and Bryan are good on mic and have wrestling talent. I just don't like Punk and I can't stand Bryan. Rather have lesnar, Cesaro, Ryback, and Mysterio instead of those two. Just personal opinion...but they are still better than Cena. I just think Bryan try to hard with his lame IMO Yes! Yes! Yes! chant. Punk calling himself the best in the world bother me cause Mysterio, Lesnar is better than him. I understand that it is your opinion, but Mysterio better than Bryan and Punk? Yikes. Maybe in his prime. Also, you say Ryback but he had "Feed Me More" like Bryan has "Yes", yet you hate Bryan's chant but are okay with Ryback as Champion. I feel like Ryback was a victim of bad timing. He was over, but wasn't going to beat Punk for obvious reasons.
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Post by Yayo on May 25, 2014 17:13:08 GMT -5
Razor Ramon, Vader, Christian in 2005
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Post by ryan93 on May 25, 2014 17:47:56 GMT -5
This thread again. The answer is: Pretty much nobody. In the 80s/early 90s era... Mr Perfect, Ted DiBiase, Rick Rude, Jake Roberts etc were never better world champion choices than Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior and Randy Savage. Do you really think Hulk Hogan vs Ted DiBiase would've been a better main event for WrestleMania V than seeing the Mega-Powers explode? Do you really think Hulk Hogan vs Mr Perfect would've been a better main event for WrestleMania VI than The Ultimate Challenge? Belts didn't change hands all the time in those days. It's silly to view 1980s wrestling through the prism of today where every main event guy wins the title. In the new generation era... It was slim pickings for top guys, but this is the only era that has much of a case for a couple of guys that could have been champion. You could argue Lex Luger should've won it from Yokozuna, or that heel Razor should've been a transitional champion from Diesel to Bret (or Diesel to Shawn even). In the attitude era... Everybody that was at that world champion level did get a run with the belt because we were in the era of it changing hands more often. Same with the Ruthless Aggression era and the current era. I couldn't agree more with this. Back then you had 2 major events from 1988 to 1990 and that's WrestleMania and Summerslam. WrestleMania has to be the big match like the Ultimate Challenge and the Mega Powers exploding to draw tickets and viewers. Survivor Series and the Royal Rumble were useless. Now I do agree that DiBiase, Piper, Perfect, Roberts, and Rude should had been champions during this era but there wasn't enough main stream exposure for them to get a shot or win it. The World Title changed one time during that era and it was Andre winning it from Hogan at the Main Event. Once you had more PPVs we saw more title changes. In 1991 when they had singles matches on Survivor Series the title changed hands, when the World Champion wasn't in the Royal Rumble we saw it change hands when Warrior dropped it to Slaughter. If they had more PPVs like they did now there is a good chance we see those deserving win the title. Hogan just can't run off PPV win after PPV win he would had dropped the title and picked it back up around WrestleMania and Summerslam for the big draw matches. I do agree that they had missed opportunities like Owen should had won the title instead of Backlund and losing it to Diesel in that short of time could had helped his career. Luger should had beat Yokozuna at Summerslam or WrestleMania leading to Luger vs. Bret. Although his reign would had only been about an hour he would had at least won the thing. If they had more events and been smarter about trying out some new main stars many people could had won the World title. Also I don't think anybody has mentioned Tatanka yet. He was a good competitor had this long winning streak and feuded with top stars. Should had won the title before losing it back to Yokozuna giving him his first loss instead of Borga would only last 4 months before getting injured and leaving WWE.
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Post by Nivro™ on May 25, 2014 17:50:27 GMT -5
This thread again. The answer is: Pretty much nobody. In the 80s/early 90s era... Mr Perfect, Ted DiBiase, Rick Rude, Jake Roberts etc were never better world champion choices than Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior and Randy Savage. Do you really think Hulk Hogan vs Ted DiBiase would've been a better main event for WrestleMania V than seeing the Mega-Powers explode? Do you really think Hulk Hogan vs Mr Perfect would've been a better main event for WrestleMania VI than The Ultimate Challenge? Belts didn't change hands all the time in those days. It's silly to view 1980s wrestling through the prism of today where every main event guy wins the title. In the new generation era... It was slim pickings for top guys, but this is the only era that has much of a case for a couple of guys that could have been champion. You could argue Lex Luger should've won it from Yokozuna, or that heel Razor should've been a transitional champion from Diesel to Bret (or Diesel to Shawn even). In the attitude era... Everybody that was at that world champion level did get a run with the belt because we were in the era of it changing hands more often. Same with the Ruthless Aggression era and the current era. I pretty much agree with everything you said. I can however see guys like DiBiase or Orndorff getting small runs that dont culminate at Wrestlemania...but they're both runs that dont hurt if they do and dont hurt if they dont. I still firmly wish the Main event of Wrestlemania I was Hogan vs Piper but I understand they needed the celebrity appeal. Those are personally the only three I can see an argument for.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 17:52:47 GMT -5
if not dozens...on the treadmill. razor ramon comes to mind, and it probably would've happened naturally had he not jumped ship. i know i'll get a lot of flack, but jeff jarrett. the dude was really over in 98 and could've easily gone into a feud with rock that would've cemented him. triple h and him were essentially battling for roles as the big heel that was gonna make the move upwards. You wont get flack from me because that statement is spot on. Basically after WM15 Vince had a tough choice to make between HHH,JJ & Billy Gunn as the guy who was going to be Austin's next big opponent after the Ministry/Vince feud. HHH was the one who made the cut....he had nuclear heat after turning on(the still hugely over)DX @wm15 and had the wins on PPV to back it up as well as endorsement from Austin as the one he would prefer to feud with. As most know there was a long standing natural heat between Austin & JJ from WAY back when. But according to many? JJ was RIGHT there when Vince made the choice. I wonder what would have happened had he not went to WCW? I don't think he had bottomed out in WWF personally. It's a big shame because Jeff was actually really good in WCW 99-onwards.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 17:56:37 GMT -5
This thread again. The answer is: Pretty much nobody. In the 80s/early 90s era... Mr Perfect, Ted DiBiase, Rick Rude, Jake Roberts etc were never better world champion choices than Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior and Randy Savage. Do you really think Hulk Hogan vs Ted DiBiase would've been a better main event for WrestleMania V than seeing the Mega-Powers explode? Do you really think Hulk Hogan vs Mr Perfect would've been a better main event for WrestleMania VI than The Ultimate Challenge? Belts didn't change hands all the time in those days. It's silly to view 1980s wrestling through the prism of today where every main event guy wins the title. In the new generation era... It was slim pickings for top guys, but this is the only era that has much of a case for a couple of guys that could have been champion. You could argue Lex Luger should've won it from Yokozuna, or that heel Razor should've been a transitional champion from Diesel to Bret (or Diesel to Shawn even). In the attitude era... Everybody that was at that world champion level did get a run with the belt because we were in the era of it changing hands more often. Same with the Ruthless Aggression era and the current era. Generally I agree. But there are a few exceptions. To me the most glaring one is Bob Backlund getting a reign in the NEW Genaration. It would have fit perfectly for Owen to get that transitional run that Backlund had. And I think a case can be made that there were a couple heels that would have been better choices than Slaughter.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on May 25, 2014 18:11:52 GMT -5
And I think a case can be made that there were a couple heels that would have been better choices than Slaughter. There were no valid other choices. The closest heel that a legitimate case could be made for is Macho King, and had him vs Warrior be the title match instead of (or as well as) a retirement match... And then had Hogan vs Slaughter just be a "USA vs Iraq" thing. But the decision had already been made that Warrior was done as champion, so him losing the title at the Rumble then winning it back at Mania was out of the question. Besides Macho and Slaughter, there was Mr Perfect who had already done the loops with both Hogan and Warrior the prior year and underperformed, cementing himself as Intercontinental/midcard level... Undertaker, who was too new yet for Hogan to beat at Mania... Earthquake who had already wrestled Hogan all over the country (and in those days, a WrestleMania main event was never going to be a rematch of a SummerSlam semi-main)... And DiBiase was already doing his breakup with Virgil. I still firmly wish the Main event of Wrestlemania I was Hogan vs Piper but I understand they needed the celebrity appeal. There was no way that was ever going to be the main event anyway. Piper would never have done the job. As much as Mr T helped promote the show, the tag match also gave them a way to have a Hogan happy ending.
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Post by Matt on May 25, 2014 18:44:08 GMT -5
Definitely William Regal.
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Post by HVMMONS on May 25, 2014 21:21:24 GMT -5
I don't know about you guys but I'm tire of these wrestlers who constantly get the WWE champion despite lack of wrestling and mic talent. John Cena Randy Orton Triple H (I'm tire of him holding onto the title) Daniel Bryan CM Punk (best in the world? My ass) Del Rio Sheamus Wrestlers that should be WWE champion Rey Mysterio Brock Lesnar Cesaro Ryback I hate to call somebody out like this, but lack of wrestling and mic talent? Punk and Bryan are two of the best wrestlers out there and Punk is sensational on the microphone. Also, the only people on that list who constantly get the belt are Cena, Orton and HHH. The rest rarely hold the belt. Couldn't have said that better.
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Post by Rob7274 on May 26, 2014 5:14:43 GMT -5
Roddy Piper Jake Roberts British Bulldog M$M Jerry Lawler Rick Rude Razor Ramon
There top of the list for me.
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Post by skribbel24 on May 26, 2014 8:12:17 GMT -5
Ted DiBiase is always the first one I think of.
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Post by dod0411 on May 26, 2014 9:54:17 GMT -5
Jake M$M Rude Orndorff Arn Anderson
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Post by cordless2016 on May 26, 2014 16:20:08 GMT -5
if not dozens...on the treadmill. razor ramon comes to mind, and it probably would've happened naturally had he not jumped ship. i know i'll get a lot of flack, but jeff jarrett. the dude was really over in 98 and could've easily gone into a feud with rock that would've cemented him. triple h and him were essentially battling for roles as the big heel that was gonna make the move upwards. You wont get flack from me because that statement is spot on. Basically after WM15 Vince had a tough choice to make between HHH,JJ & Billy Gunn as the guy who was going to be Austin's next big opponent after the Ministry/Vince feud. HHH was the one who made the cut....he had nuclear heat after turning on(the still hugely over)DX @wm15 and had the wins on PPV to back it up as well as endorsement from Austin as the one he would prefer to feud with. As most know there was a long standing natural heat between Austin & JJ from WAY back when. But according to many? JJ was RIGHT there when Vince made the choice. I wonder what would have happened had he not went to WCW? I don't think he had bottomed out in WWF personally. 100% agreed. HHH was the right guy to push in '99 as the new top heel, but Jarrett was right there as well and gained a ton of heat and momentum from his "woman hating" gimmick in the summer and fall. With Austin going down as well for a year JJ wouldn't have the top guy against him (Vince has never been a big fan of JR so Austin's best buddy wouldn't have been able to hold him back either). I think almost everything through Backlash 2000 would have remained the same but after that I wouldn't have been surprised to have seen JJ get a brief run with the title. Maybe he gets Benoit's match w/ Rocky from Fully Loaded 2000 or faces Rock at KOTR instead.
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Post by cordless2016 on May 26, 2014 16:25:18 GMT -5
Definitely William Regal. I've never understood why people say Regal. Because he wrestles good? The guy was never in a credible feud in the main event and when he did briefly have a match with a top guy he was usually disposed of pretty quickly. Can't forget the guy couldn't pass a drug test either and had a pretty long list of injuries. Solid midcard talent but definatly not deserving of the WWE Title or a credible top guy.
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