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Post by rustyy on Jun 10, 2014 20:50:15 GMT -5
Because anytime someone gets hot they feed them to Cena because he doesn't want anyone close to his spot. I'm sorry, you know Cena personally? Don't have to. Look at the past, every single time there is an up and comer who do they end up feuding with? Cena. How do they come out? Like shit. Once/twice=coincidence, 5-6 times out for personal gain. |
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Post by knupmc on Jun 10, 2014 21:15:44 GMT -5
I think bashcrash really summed it up well. No real further explanation needed
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Post by BØRNS on Jun 10, 2014 21:39:51 GMT -5
 Yeah, and I'm sure it was Shawn Michaels' idea to just wake up make a WWE video about John Cena today, right? Was for the new WM Rewind on the network brotha. Exactly. Of course WWE has every old big name under the sun come back to try to put Cena over, whether it's in the ring and/or on the mic. |
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Post by BØRNS on Jun 10, 2014 21:41:52 GMT -5
Because anytime someone gets hot they feed them to Cena because he doesn't want anyone close to his spot. I'm sorry, you know Cena personally? The data doesn't lie. Whether it's for Cena's personal gain or whomever's making the decisions, the facts remain the same. |
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Post by Colter on Jun 10, 2014 21:43:08 GMT -5
Was for the new WM Rewind on the network brotha. Exactly. Of course WWE has every old big name under the sun come back to try to put Cena over, whether it's in the ring and/or on the mic. Well they were talking about the WM23 match Cena and Michaels had... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 21:48:26 GMT -5
I'm sorry, you know Cena personally? The data doesn't lie. Whether it's for Cena's personal gain or whomever's making the decisions, the facts remain the same. What data? The only one I know of that Cena has apparently admitted to is Barrett according to Y2J. Not that he buried him, just how he won the match. |
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Post by BØRNS on Jun 10, 2014 21:57:50 GMT -5
Exactly. Of course WWE has every old big name under the sun come back to try to put Cena over, whether it's in the ring and/or on the mic. Well they were talking about the WM23 match Cena and Michaels had... Ric Flair Roddy Piper Mick Foley The Rock Stone Cold Bret Hart Hulk Hogan and many more... have come to Raw to solely put over Cena on the mic. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 21:58:55 GMT -5
Well they were talking about the WM23 match Cena and Michaels had... Ric Flair Roddy Piper Mick Foley The Rock Stone Cold Bret Hart and many more... have come to Raw to solely put over Cena on the mic. What does this have to do with Cena "refusing to put others over"? |
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Post by BØRNS on Jun 10, 2014 22:02:24 GMT -5
The data doesn't lie. Whether it's for Cena's personal gain or whomever's making the decisions, the facts remain the same. What data? The only one I know of that Cena has admitted to is Barrett. Data = wins and losses. The noticeable trend is that Cena has a large Ω number of wins and a very few δ number of losses, most of which have not been clean. |
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Jun 10, 2014 22:07:16 GMT -5
Again, for the hundredth time... His ring work is ok. Not great. Not amazing. Not bad. Not horrible. Ok. The problem is that he's been doing the same bull sh*t for 10 years now. Longer than Hogan, Bret, Austin, HBK, etc. They all had a character change at some point. Cena has been rising above, saluting troops, chain ganging, hustling, respecting, rucking fules, fearing nothing, regretting less for over TEN years now. I'm sick of the sh*t. T-shirt! |
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Post by BØRNS on Jun 10, 2014 22:07:55 GMT -5
Ric Flair Roddy Piper Mick Foley The Rock Stone Cold Bret Hart Hulk Hogan and many more... have come to Raw to solely put over Cena on the mic. What does this have to do with Cena "refusing to put others over"? It's a fact that Cena does nothing to put others over. I also wanted to throw out there that in addition to this lovely HBK video, WWE everything in its power to pay retired wrestlers to come and put Cena over as the greatest of all time. Oh, of course, I forgot to add Hulk Hogan to the list. Let me update that! |
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Post by Squid: The Anti-Hero on Jun 10, 2014 22:16:09 GMT -5
No knock from me on Cena. I just simply don't like him. This straight up |
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Post by Colter on Jun 10, 2014 22:17:20 GMT -5
What does this have to do with Cena "refusing to put others over"? It's a fact that Cena does nothing to put others over. I also wanted to throw out there that in addition to this lovely HBK video, WWE everything in its power to pay retired wrestlers to come and put Cena over as the greatest of all time. Oh, of course, I forgot to add Hulk Hogan to the list. Let me update that!  |
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Post by El Armbar on Jun 10, 2014 22:33:10 GMT -5
Cena has been involved in some of the most entertaining matches in recent history. And he's lost quite a few of those (ie. Summerslam vs. Bryan, MIB v. CM Punk and WM28) Cena put over CM Punk & Bryan when it was really meaningful - if it happened too often it wouldn't be special to beat Cena. The WWE just doesn't trust anyone enough to give him the top spot. Unfortunately for D-Bry, he immediately gets injured. And CM Punk quit. Of course the WWE would be hesitant to pass the torch.
I think the time was right for Bray Wyatt to defeat Cena at Payback. It didn't have to be a clean victory, the Wyatts could have destroyed Cena. It would've have made Cena more sympathetic and Bray would have been the ultimate bad guy. I wonder if Daniel Bryan's injury changed the WWE's plan for the Cena/Bray storyline.
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Post by rustyy on Jun 10, 2014 22:39:31 GMT -5
Cena has been involved in some of the most entertaining matches in recent history. And he's lost quite a few of those (ie. Summerslam vs. Bryan, MIB v. CM Punk and WM28) Cena put over CM Punk & Bryan when it was really meaningful - if it happened too often it wouldn't be special to beat Cena. The WWE just doesn't trust anyone enough to give him the top spot. Unfortunately for D-Bry, he immediately gets injured. And CM Punk quit. Of course the WWE would be hesitant to pass the torch. I think the time was right for Bray Wyatt to defeat Cena at Payback. It didn't have to be a clean victory, the Wyatts could have destroyed Cena. It would've have made Cena more sympathetic and Bray would have been the ultimate bad guy. I wonder if Daniel Bryan's injury changed the WWE's plan for the Cena/Bray storyline. Cena couldn't even do the job for Punk clean in any of the times they faced. It's ridiculous how he won't lay down clean for anyone. After Monday I don't count DB's win as clean either because he said he relinquished it. Plus the next night he brought up his elbow anyway and against Rock he said he got to cocky. He can't just lay down and take a loss without excuses, interference, or some other ridiculous circumstance (Kid with voicebox). His stories are never entertaining because everyone knows the results, he wins. Every time, without fail and if by some miracle he loses, you come out looking even worse. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 22:42:39 GMT -5
Cena has been involved in some of the most entertaining matches in recent history. And he's lost quite a few of those (ie. Summerslam vs. Bryan, MIB v. CM Punk and WM28) Cena put over CM Punk & Bryan when it was really meaningful - if it happened too often it wouldn't be special to beat Cena. The WWE just doesn't trust anyone enough to give him the top spot. Unfortunately for D-Bry, he immediately gets injured. And CM Punk quit. Of course the WWE would be hesitant to pass the torch. I think the time was right for Bray Wyatt to defeat Cena at Payback. It didn't have to be a clean victory, the Wyatts could have destroyed Cena. It would've have made Cena more sympathetic and Bray would have been the ultimate bad guy. I wonder if Daniel Bryan's injury changed the WWE's plan for the Cena/Bray storyline. Very strong and agreeable point. |
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Post by Starscream on Jun 10, 2014 22:44:49 GMT -5
Cena is great, he is always entertaining for me, he doesn´t need to evolve, and if Cena refuses to put someone over then so be it, the guy is a veteran, he knows his stuff, CM Punk, Edge, Orton, RVD, Daniel Bryan all those guys were elevated to main event status by feuding Cena. Barret, Sandow, Ziggler, Miz, Ryder were all mediocre at best, thats why they couldn´t move into the main picture by feuding(or being helped by) Cena, they just didn´t have "it", it´s hilarious that some people still think Cena is some kind of tyrant, Daniel Bryan would have lost the SummerSlam match if that was true and the Orton cash in would still have happened. Now I am not a fan of Wyatt but I can´t judge his feud with Cena until it´s over.
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Post by rustyy on Jun 10, 2014 22:50:08 GMT -5
Cena is great, he is always entertaining for me, he doesn´t need to evolve, and if Cena refuses to put someone over then so be it, the guy is a veteran, he knows his stuff, CM Punk, Edge, Orton, RVD, Daniel Bryan all those guys were elevated to main event status by feuding Cena. Barret, Sandow, Ziggler, Miz, Ryder were all mediocre at best, thats why they couldn´t move into the main picture by feuding(or being helped by) Cena, they just didn´t have "it", it´s hilarious that some people still think Cena is some kind of tyrant, Daniel Bryan would have lost the SummerSlam match if that was true and the Orton cash in would still have happened. Now I am not a fan of Wyatt but I can´t judge his feud with Cena until it´s over. Well, I guess you don't know talent. That's 2 elite level mic workers, that can hold their own in the ring. Please explain to me how either of their feuds with Cena were supposed to elevate them? Sandow beat his ass with a chair, slammed him into a barricade, and steps, all after he came back with an injured arm and Superman wins after taking all that and all of Sandow's finishers. Barrett was leader of about 8-9 people and Cena came back and took every single one of them out, alone. Then literally buried Barrett with chairs and that was the end. Oh and Jericho and Edge both said Cena was being selfish when he went over at SS after taking a DDT on the floor. |
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Post by Starscream on Jun 10, 2014 23:19:47 GMT -5
Cena is great, he is always entertaining for me, he doesn´t need to evolve, and if Cena refuses to put someone over then so be it, the guy is a veteran, he knows his stuff, CM Punk, Edge, Orton, RVD, Daniel Bryan all those guys were elevated to main event status by feuding Cena. Barret, Sandow, Ziggler, Miz, Ryder were all mediocre at best, thats why they couldn´t move into the main picture by feuding(or being helped by) Cena, they just didn´t have "it", it´s hilarious that some people still think Cena is some kind of tyrant, Daniel Bryan would have lost the SummerSlam match if that was true and the Orton cash in would still have happened. Now I am not a fan of Wyatt but I can´t judge his feud with Cena until it´s over. Well, I guess you don't know talent. That's 2 elite level mic workers, that can hold their own in the ring. Please explain to me how either of their feuds with Cena were supposed to elevate them? Sandow beat his ass with a chair, slammed him into a barricade, and steps, all after he came back with an injured arm and Superman wins after taking all that and all of Sandow's finishers. Barrett was leader of about 8-9 people and Cena came back and took every single one of them out, alone. Then literally buried Barrett with chairs and that was the end. Oh and Jericho and Edge both said Cena was being selfish when he went over at SS after taking a DDT on the floor. Dude, not everyone is gonna like the same things you do, thats the way the world is, thats not reason to judge my liking of talents. Barrett wasn't ready then, selfishness or not, that's their point of view, if they can hold their own in the ring is irrelevant, it´s about connecting with the audience, and they failed at that, Sandow should have tried to evolve his character but he didn´t instead now he doesn't even have his old midcardy gimmick anymore, he´s just doing random things and it´s sad. Oh And I dont remember Cena no selling, hurting Punk or Edge´s carrers...why? Because they found creative ways to connect with the audience in their respective roles and storylines. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 23:21:31 GMT -5
When are people finally going to get over this whole John Cena thing? Cena is a very good wrestler. Is he the greatest ever? No, but being over and being good isn't about being the greatest wrestler to ever step foot inside a ring. Dude has put on a ton of good matches and anyone that says he hasn't or "deeer he was carried" are being flat out ignorant. Cena is not going to turn heel or change. There's no need to try and fix something that's not broken. You might not enjoy it and might think its stale, but there's millions of people cheering him and buying his merch and wanting him for wishes that beg to differ. WWE is not going to change Cena when he works for millions to satisfy people on the internet that don't like mean ole Cena that are going to be satisfied with the change for 5 minutes before hating Cena again because he won a match. Also, people seem to forget that Cena IS THE BIGGEST NAME IN THE COMPANY and has been for a decade. Not Punk, not Bryan, not Ziggler, not Ryder, John Cena. Someone like that doesn't just drop falls to every Joe Blow that seems to have a slight hope of a future, because it actually makes it MEAN something and MATTER when he does lose. Would Daniel Bryan beating Cena have meant what it did if he had beaten Cena 7 times before that? Or if Cena had taken 27 losses prior to the match? How much would it have mattered if Cesaro beat Cena a few months back on Raw if he was immediately going to drop down and be feuding for the US Title because they weren't ready to push him yet? How much will it mean when Cesaro finally gears for the World Title and beats Cena and gets pushed even further? A lot more than beating him on a random Raw in a random match that doesn't mean anything, and a lot more than if he had beat him previously. Waaah, Cena buried Wyatt when he threw him off the top of something and trapped him under a pile of crap so he wouldn't be able to get up. Some of you really need to look up what buried means because its obvious you have no real clue what it actually means, because idk about you, but Wyatt looked just as over and just as pushed and just as good as before on Raw. So buried he was. Some of you really need to get over your little teenage rebellion hatered. It stopped being 'cool' or 'relevant' to hate Cena six or seven years ago. Then it started to be 'cool' and 'relevant' to respect the dude for being a good wrestler, a hard working and dedicated as hell mother  er that has dedicated his entire life and ruined his entire body by working through injuries the past 10 years to being the biggest star in wrestling and carrying all the weight that comes along with it, and for making hundreds of sick kids and millions of people happy. Seriously, get over it. Ranting hate about Cena filled with your opinions based on your 'insider super smart sheet knowledge' is a cliche that got tired six years ago and makes you seem like nothing but ignorant little 'rebel' that for some reason still thinks its cool to hate someone that legitimately deserves all the respect in the world for what he's done and given to the business. |
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