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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jun 11, 2014 8:22:51 GMT -5
I miss being 15 and having weird conspiracy theories about how the top baby face is evil and ruins wrestling. In my day, it was Stone Cold whose wins made me angry -- like some of the ones in this thread, I just didn't grasp the concept of a top babyface at the time and just wanted WWE to "push" all my little favourites. It's funny, you get embarrassed when you grow up a bit and look back at your odd little "rebellion" phase. I'm just glad I didn't have the internet at the time because I'd probably have done YouTube rants if that was a thing then. "Another wrestler said they thought Austin was good? Ugh, conspiracy! He's not even a crisp technical worker anymore! WWE will stop at nothing to hire people solely to make excuses for Austin! That damn Austin is the reason girls at school don't talk to me, probably! I hate his frickin' guts!" I might make one anyway. Rant about attitude era shows as if they just happened, demand that Vince stops burying Taka etc. Has that been done before?
That KvE post in this thread was majestic.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 8:38:56 GMT -5
Meh. I'm done here.
Everytime I try having one of these respectful discussions on here (which has gone great between me and Saint Willow in this case) it turns into a hundred posts about "it's not cool to hate Cena anymore" and "rebellion phases" and "Cena buries people" and "he's a great guy for the company" and "what do you mean Cena doesn't have great matches" and blah blah blah.
Also, I hate the term "don't fix what's not broken" when it comes to wrestling. Tell that sh*t to Hogan, Austin, Rock, Bret Hart, etc. who took chances with their career instead of playing it safe and came out much better for it.
Hogan could've done the same crap for 6 more years, made money, continued to main event but realized it was time for a change in 1996.
Austin could've been The Ringmaster for 7 more years and been a sold hand but realized it was time to change it up in 1996.
The Rock could've been the smiling "I'm just happy to be here" guy and been an upper card act for 6 more years but realized it was time to change it up in 1997.
Bret Hart could've put sunglasses on kids faces for 3 more years but understood he had to do something different to shake things up in 1997.
WWE can play it safe with Cena forever or finally give us something more. I'm not asking for a heel turn. I'm just asking for character development.
That's it. I'm done here.
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Post by T R W on Jun 11, 2014 9:07:53 GMT -5
Everything has really been said. But why not throw in my .02 about Cena.
I enjoy Cena. I think he has good ability as a wrestler and he has a great look and he has that "it factor" that most people don't. He busts his ass literally, and works hard to make sure the fans get what they paid for. He goes out of his way more than anyone in history to meet and help sick kids who look up to him. He has had a lot of great matches the last 10 years, and for the most part been very enjoyable in some pretty low periods for the company.
On the other side of the coin:
Is his character stale now from playing it too safe? Yes. Even as a fan of him, some of his corny jokes make me roll my eyes.
His lack of judgement when it comes to handling his promos and whether to be funny, or to be intense can be frustrating and hurt what should be good segments.
He tends to get a bit complacent with his moveset and doesn't mix it up quite enough sometimes even though he does have the ability to.
He often either doesn't, or forgets to sell injuries during a match, and rarely sells being hurt and exhausted after a match.
His finishers are a bit too sloppy for my preference.
What Michaels said was very poignant. His biggest weakness really is not covering up his flaws enough. Cena isn't perfect, but he has been great over the years despite not having a lot to work with in some instances. I think even his biggest fans would like to see him change his character up slightly or evolve a little bit. The best wrestlers are themselves with their personality just amped up. Flair, Austin, Rock, Bret and more and that is why Cena has worked for so long much to the chagrin of angst ridden males between 15-25. It's not perfect, but you can't deny that it works.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jun 11, 2014 9:25:55 GMT -5
He busts his ass literally That's X-Pac. |
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Post by T R W on Jun 11, 2014 9:28:28 GMT -5
He busts his ass literally That's X-Pac.  |
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Post by alquelude on Jun 11, 2014 9:31:06 GMT -5
Meh. I'm done here. Everytime I try having one of these respectful discussions on here (which has gone great between me and Saint Willow in this case) it turns into a hundred posts about "it's not cool to hate Cena anymore" and "rebellion phases" and "Cena buries people" and "he's a great guy for the company" and "what do you mean Cena doesn't have great matches" and blah blah blah. Also, I hate the term "don't fix what's not broken" when it comes to wrestling. Tell that sh*t to Hogan, Austin, Rock, Bret Hart, etc. who took chances with their career instead of playing it safe and came out much better for it. Hogan could've done the same crap for 6 more years, made money, continued to main event but realized it was time for a change in 1996. Austin could've been The Ringmaster for 7 more years and been a sold hand but realized it was time to change it up in 1996. The Rock could've been the smiling "I'm just happy to be here" guy and been an upper card act for 6 more years but realized it was time to change it up in 1997. Bret Hart could've put sunglasses on kids faces for 3 more years but understood he had to do something different to shake things up in 1997. WWE can play it safe with Cena forever or finally give us something more. I'm not asking for a heel turn. I'm just asking for character development. That's it. I'm done here. Bret hart had a few good months of tv and then was never the same after turning heel U cant compare the ringmaster to john cena now. Cena did switch it up like the ring master when he started rapping. To turn heel now would be like stone cold doing it in 2001. Which he has called the biggest mistkae of his career. Is the fued with wyatt not different enough for you? Anyway, no matter what way you cut it, cena is the most popular guy in the company right now. Sells the most merch, gets the loudest reactions, works the hardest, w/e. i understand hes not popular with the iwc but you all still tune in to watch |
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Post by el torro on Jun 11, 2014 9:42:15 GMT -5
Well, I guess you don't know talent. That's 2 elite level mic workers, that can hold their own in the ring. Please explain to me how either of their feuds with Cena were supposed to elevate them? Sandow beat his ass with a chair, slammed him into a barricade, and steps, all after he came back with an injured arm and Superman wins after taking all that and all of Sandow's finishers. Barrett was leader of about 8-9 people and Cena came back and took every single one of them out, alone. Then literally buried Barrett with chairs and that was the end. Oh and Jericho and Edge both said Cena was being selfish when he went over at SS after taking a DDT on the floor. Dude, not everyone is gonna like the same things you do, thats the way the world is, thats not reason to judge my liking of talents. Barrett wasn't ready then, selfishness or not, that's their point of view, if they can hold their own in the ring is irrelevant, it´s about connecting with the audience, and they failed at that, Sandow should have tried to evolve his character but he didn´t instead now he doesn't even have his old midcardy gimmick anymore, he´s just doing random things and it´s sad. Oh And I dont remember Cena no selling, hurting Punk or Edge´s carrers...why? Because they found creative ways to connect with the audience in their respective roles and storylines. Are you kidding? They were HEELS. And even as HEELS, they still got major pops at arenas, more so than the precious John Cena. And lol at you saying Sandow should've continued with his original gimmick as if it was his personal choice. Do you know when Sandow pretty much stopped with his whole character? Yup, when Cena beat him. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 10:20:03 GMT -5
yet another 4 page argument about Cena. Joy of Joys.
locked.
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