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Post by cordless2016 on May 28, 2022 19:01:52 GMT -5
I have to be one of the few who think Booker is one of the most overrated players in the league. Athletic and flashy, the guy can score a ton when he’s hot, but his b-ball IQ is questionable and doesn’t add much on the defensive end. He comes off more as Zach Lavine with a better supporting cast (I’m a Bulls fan and am not impressed with Lavine either). It feels like Booker’s been propped up more since Chris Paul arrived in Phoenix than Booker taking a big leap with his overall game. And between last years playoffs and this years, he hasn’t shown the ability to step up in big games when he’s needed the most. Im gonna disagree with about everything you said but that's why everybody has their own opinions on guys and I mean that and no disrespectful way at all. He got his team to the second best record and best record in the league back to back years,ill definitely agree that Paul was a big part in that but in no way was Book just sitting in the back seat and was just along for the ride. How many games did CP3 miss and Book took control of the team and still had the same results? He pretty much knocked out most peoples champion favs last year,when they beat the Lakers in the first round with a injured Paul. The one thing I do agree on this team is loaded with young talent,so I'm gonna give them a little bit of a excuse for chocking the title away last year and this years collapse because of their age and experience level. James,Durant,Curry,Giannis etc(not saying Booker is on their level or will ever be)took some Ls before they got their 1st chip,so I'm willing to give them a little time before I would consider him overrated. Its easy to see I'm a huge Suns fans,so you could be dead right about everything and I refuse to see it just yet(this wouldn't be the first time) but I would consider him to being underrated still because of Paul getting the spotlight. Its not many people that has him anywhere near their top players,so its hard for me to see him as being overrated. You’re right that Booker didn’t take a back seat. I’d also considering him in the second tier of stars in the league. He’s a great #2 to build around, but I don’t see him on the level of a franchise changer, atleast not yet (as a Bulls fan, I think he’s a few levels above Lavine who I’m not a fan of at all). I think the bigger concern for Suns fans right now is if the door has closed on the current championship window. Paul is 37, and Booker, Bridges, and Ayton are all due big extensions within the next few years (Ayton now). And Ayton isn’t happy. Whether you think he’s been underutilized or has under performed, loosing him would be a big hit. And Paul has had a huge impact on there culture, so it’ll be interesting to see if the Suns can keep up this level of success with him bound to have a decline at some point. And the West isn’t getting any easier as well. They may have another year to take a legit shot with the current team as constructed, but a lot of analysts think that there window has closed already. |
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Post by finnbalor1 on May 29, 2022 3:48:00 GMT -5
Im gonna disagree with about everything you said but that's why everybody has their own opinions on guys and I mean that and no disrespectful way at all. He got his team to the second best record and best record in the league back to back years,ill definitely agree that Paul was a big part in that but in no way was Book just sitting in the back seat and was just along for the ride. How many games did CP3 miss and Book took control of the team and still had the same results? He pretty much knocked out most peoples champion favs last year,when they beat the Lakers in the first round with a injured Paul. The one thing I do agree on this team is loaded with young talent,so I'm gonna give them a little bit of a excuse for chocking the title away last year and this years collapse because of their age and experience level. James,Durant,Curry,Giannis etc(not saying Booker is on their level or will ever be)took some Ls before they got their 1st chip,so I'm willing to give them a little time before I would consider him overrated. Its easy to see I'm a huge Suns fans,so you could be dead right about everything and I refuse to see it just yet(this wouldn't be the first time) but I would consider him to being underrated still because of Paul getting the spotlight. Its not many people that has him anywhere near their top players,so its hard for me to see him as being overrated. You’re right that Booker didn’t take a back seat. I’d also considering him in the second tier of stars in the league. He’s a great #2 to build around, but I don’t see him on the level of a franchise changer, atleast not yet (as a Bulls fan, I think he’s a few levels above Lavine who I’m not a fan of at all). I think the bigger concern for Suns fans right now is if the door has closed on the current championship window. Paul is 37, and Booker, Bridges, and Ayton are all due big extensions within the next few years (Ayton now). And Ayton isn’t happy. Whether you think he’s been underutilized or has under performed, loosing him would be a big hit. And Paul has had a huge impact on there culture, so it’ll be interesting to see if the Suns can keep up this level of success with him bound to have a decline at some point. And the West isn’t getting any easier as well. They may have another year to take a legit shot with the current team as constructed, but a lot of analysts think that there window has closed already Yeah,I can see how people doesn't see him as a top tier guy yet or maybe never. I would have him in there with guys like Trae personally, which is a great player but not Giannis level. I definitely think he's got the potential to be a top 3- 5 guy in the league but like I've said that's coming from a Suns fan I agree the West has gotten so much tougher within the last two years but as long as Paul can still go I think they have a championship contender team. It would be crazy to say they have a better shot now then the last two seasons but i still think theyre in the top 4 in the west going into next year. Book should be locked up for couple more years and Bridges signed last off season(I thought),I say its a good chance DA is gone and I agree that's gonna be a big loss but as long as they keep the rest of the team in tact and bring in a decent role player or two I think they're be fine but we're see I guess. |
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Post by Grenouille on May 29, 2022 22:18:15 GMT -5
That 4th quarter wasn't enjoyable for my nerves. Glad this group has finally gotten over the hump and made it to the finals. I'm a realist with this team so I'll put down my prediction as Dubs in 6.
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Post by finnbalor1 on May 30, 2022 1:31:12 GMT -5
I think Boston pushes them to 7 personally but GS might have a little to much shooting.
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Post by cordless2016 on May 30, 2022 7:30:30 GMT -5
GS in 6 (though I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s in 5). GS is on fire and I don’t think any team coming out of the East could beat ‘em in a 7 game series. Boston has been too inconsistent for me to take them as a legit threat to the Dubs. There run reminds me of the Suns from last year as well; good team but benefitted from playing some injured teams before the finals. The Warriors are healthy and have been killer throughout the playoffs so far.
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Post by goslingerti on May 30, 2022 10:40:37 GMT -5
watched boston struggle really only tatum can create and golden state are an absolute blur on offense and rest will be exposed. sportsbetting3.com has GS in 5 i think.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Jun 3, 2022 9:33:54 GMT -5
I've never flipped my opinion on a series as fast as I did after the 4th quarter last night. I had GS in 5. The correct answer was Boston in 6.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jun 4, 2022 8:48:38 GMT -5
I’m not overreacting to the ending of game 1. Hortford had a “turn the clock back” quarter back in the Bucks series as well. The chances of him doing it again are slim. I’m still going GS in 6.
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jun 4, 2022 19:04:01 GMT -5
Boston probably won't shoot that good from 3 again to often but its hard to believe Tatum isn't gonna have a much bigger impact for the rest of the series.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jun 4, 2022 20:02:44 GMT -5
Boston probably won't shoot that good from 3 again to often but its hard to believe Tatum isn't gonna have a much bigger impact for the rest of the series. True about Tatum, but I don’t see GS being close to that cold in another fourth quarter either. |
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jun 4, 2022 20:22:07 GMT -5
Boston probably won't shoot that good from 3 again to often but its hard to believe Tatum isn't gonna have a much bigger impact for the rest of the series. True about Tatum, but I don’t see GS being close to that cold in another fourth quarter either. Yeah,I agree you're not gonna see them playing that bad to often. The only team that's given GS that much trouble lately was Memphis and they just didn't have enough offense without JA, so I definitely don't see us having more games like game 1. Game 1 hasn't changed my mind,I still think these two teams are pretty equal but GS has a little to much shooting that gives them the slight edge and will win in 7 but I think they better win tomorrow because Boston showed they can catch fire real quick themselves. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Jun 6, 2022 5:04:37 GMT -5
That’s more like the GS team we’re use to seeing, and it’s scary to think that they can get even better once Klay breaks out of his slump.
This series is far from over but still calling GS in 6 (though won’t be shocked if it’s in 5).
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Post by LK3 on Jun 17, 2022 0:22:28 GMT -5
Not one, not two, not three….. FOUR What a journey!  |
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Post by Grenouille on Jun 17, 2022 6:12:22 GMT -5
I hate the cliche about being a "young" team and that they'll be back. They had a great opportunity and played like crap for the most part after the series was 2-1. Disappointing end to what turned into a fun season. Hopefully it will turn into a major learning experience.
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jun 17, 2022 9:26:41 GMT -5
Congrats Mr.Curry,I can't believe this is the same guy that knock out Georgetown all those years ago. I just thought he was gonna be one of those Cinderella stories and wouldn't hear from him again,boy was I wrong.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Jun 19, 2022 11:12:38 GMT -5
Jayson Tatums decision not to participate in the finals should cost him a lot of money. But it's sports, and it's America, so it won't. Guy bo showed the biggest 6 games of his life. Dude went from from on the verge on a top 5 nba player to a solid #2 when it matters most.
If not for that epic meltdown I the 4th quarter of game 1, the warriors would have won 5 of the 6 games played, and Boston was always gonna take game 3 at home.
Happy for steph and especially klay. If they manage to get Wiseman to anything resembling an NBA player, oh my God.
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Post by LK3 on Jun 19, 2022 23:45:54 GMT -5
I don't know why we as fans are so harsh to dump on players when they don't play well in these situations. Not everyone is going to win and/or be great in their first attempt at a championship. Boston obviously wouldn't have sniffed the Finals without Tatum. Did he wear down from playing so much? Did he just flat out play poorly? Probably a combination of both, and sometimes you simply have to overcome that to win, but he wasn't able to do it. Does that automatically make him a bum or someone who is unable to get the job done? No, not at all. He has a whole career ahead of him for that to be determined.
And to comment on how the Warriors probably should have won in 5... from my perspective I totally agree due to the 4th quarter of game 1, but at the same time Boston had legitimate chances to win games 4 and 5. Especially game 4, they led for most of the game. Game 5 was really just 1 big quarter like game 1, but still they were just down by 1 point going to the 4th. So even though the Warriors were the better team for more length of time throughout the series, it could've easily been a whole lot different if Boston didn't go cold the last 6 minutes or so of game 4.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Jun 20, 2022 15:54:20 GMT -5
IMO this Warriors title is more telling than any of the others. They overcame injuries and stuff and played like a complete unit.
Their first title wasn’t the most difficult path seeing a 2 of the top 3 Cavs players missed all but one finals game.
The next two they had KD and they were all healthy. Tbh, probably the biggest basketball juggernaut we’ve ever seen and I don’t think many teams in history would’ve stood a chance against that squad.
Their 73-9 season was thwarted by one of the best comeback stories in sports history.
Their 2nd finals loss was more so due to GSW incurring injuries. I call that sports karma.
This championship victory finally saw Steph show up and show out for an entire finals series - something I feel like he really needed to accomplish. They’ve continued to build around their big 3 and this team plays incredible team basketball. They were on the road down 2-1 and never looked back.
I hate them. Hate them with an intense passion. But I’ll never deny their talents and accomplishments and I feel like this victory was their most impressive.
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Post by LK3 on Jun 20, 2022 17:00:39 GMT -5
What exactly do you have hate for? Still winning.. Draymond.. or are you a big LeBron guy?
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jun 20, 2022 20:13:59 GMT -5
What exactly do you have hate for? Still winning.. Draymond.. or are you a big LeBron guy? I know you didn't ask me but personally I only dislike Draymond,I f***ing love Klay. He's one of my favorites in the league and Steph,I respect the hell out of him and enjoy watching his love of the game,i like Kerr(once a Suns guy,always a Suns guy for me)I love comeback stories like Wiggins and Poole is great. Before KD got there they was the team I loved to watch the most but I just dont like Draymond and it doesn't help that I thought this was gonna be the Suns' first lol. |
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