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Post by Chip on Aug 21, 2014 12:23:52 GMT -5
I love the concept that Ambrose isn't a "main eventer" but Roman Reigns is...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 13:44:23 GMT -5
Comparing Ambrose to Austin is funny.
Austin had the backing of Jim Ross, who I believe was director of operations at the time... correct me, if I'm wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 14:36:49 GMT -5
Didn't Triple H hire Ambrose and all these other Indy guys? Having Triple H backing you is just as big of a deal as Jim Ross backing someone if not bigger. I'd say Triple H has more authority (no pun intended) than JR did.
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Post by Dan on Aug 21, 2014 15:44:49 GMT -5
For me, he needs to change his look first. I personally can't take him as a WWE World Heavyweight Champion when he wears jeans and a white vest. But as of now, there is nothing wrong at all with where he is. Why does everyone think as soon as someone has something going for them that they need to suddenly be pushed to the World Title picture. It's feuds like the one he currently has with Rollins that help to build and develop a Person's character even further and gain momentum. It also adds more value to both the Belt and to the Superstar when you have established guys like John Cena and Brock Lesnar competing for the Gold, so that when Ambrose or Reigns finally get their chance it means even more.
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Post by Justin on Aug 21, 2014 17:11:23 GMT -5
I love the concept that Ambrose isn't a "main eventer" but Roman Reigns is... Reigns was in the ladder match for the belt, and in the fatal four way for the belt to be fair. But i consider Rollins/Ambrose a main event feud |
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Post by Chip on Aug 21, 2014 18:26:59 GMT -5
I love the concept that Ambrose isn't a "main eventer" but Roman Reigns is... Reigns was in the ladder match for the belt, and in the fatal four way for the belt to be fair. But i consider Rollins/Ambrose a main event feud i know, my point is that Rollins/Ambrose/Reigns all came up at the same time, with the same gimmick, and each one of them is on their own....but the fact the WWE views Reigns as a main event guy and the other 2 not so much is ridiculous. |
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Aug 21, 2014 19:53:35 GMT -5
I am going to put this into a perspective. Do you think guys like Steve Austin, Triple H, John Cena, The Rock, and Randy Orton had it made? They did not at all. All of them had to claw their way to become marquee names. Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins, and Roman Reigns had to claw their way in developmental to go to being prominent names on the main roster. The WWE can't afford to **** up with their ascension to the top. One main reason Rollins and Ambrose stand out of is because they are not the cookie cutter types we have grown to seeing in the past several years.
If anybody had not seen it, go at watch that Shield documentary that aired on the network. That tells you the WWE has big plans for all three of them. Give them time to be marquee names in the WWE. At this juncture, the WWE is starving for new main event players and Ambrose, Rollins, and Reigns are in the right place but their timing is not in sync yet. Do you think people in 2003 gave a **** about John Cena? I can tell you, not many people saw him as a marquee name. It took time for people to realize Cena is going to be a big deal and build his status as one of the all time greats.
In 1996, I doubt many people saw $$$ in Steve Austin. It took a couple of factors for people to see what he can bring to the table. Austin didn't begin lighting the world on fire till after WrestleMania 13. The Shield has a ton to offer on the table. They need that one moment that will light the universe on fire. They are close but the timing needs to be in sync for them to really become money makers and become marquee names. Right now, The Shield is on the proverbial boardwalk enroute to the pier. They would have to get on that boat, jump off, and swim. Once they swim, it is a matter of them swimming or sinking. Give them time to evolve and who knows where Ambrose, Rollins, and Reigns ends up two-three years from now.
With Ambrose and Rollins being top level guys gives hope to any indy guy who is hungry to get that spot. We can all thank for the signing of CM Punk to truly understand and see why indy talents can be given top spots on the card. Laugh at me for this but I do see Ambrose, Rollins, and Reigns being marquee names in the future. I can tell those three are hungry for being among the elite.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 20:43:30 GMT -5
and some of you believe they are high on Ambrose. Wake up and smell the coffee. That's somewhat how I feel....Seems to be going the same way as Pillman, but trying to sell him as 1996/7 Stone Cold where he would mess up everything Bret was involved in. Not sure if that's working so well. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 20:51:45 GMT -5
he's not gonna be in the main event this quick lol, give him some time.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 21, 2014 21:46:54 GMT -5
This is a different scenario. This isn't a guy who has a tremendous physique or who's a third generation wrestler or somebody who Triple H "sees something in." This is a guy with a cult following and an extensive Indy's background, and unfortunately, history has shown that those guys have the hardest time being put in positions to succeed. But to your point... Austin was known as a great ring technician. Rock was third generation. Triple H was friends with top talent. Bret & HBK both had many years of WWE experience. Cena had a great look. They all had reasons to be shot to the top, but yet they still had to fight for their spot. And it took ALL of them years to get to there. How do we know Triple H doesn't see something in Ambrose? Did he personally tell you that? Or because that's what you assume? Plus Rollins comes from a very similar indy background, and WWE is pushing him also. So I don't see why that should come into question. As I said, if WWE didn't see something in Ambrose they would not be dedicating all this attention to him. They gave him a dramatic send off so he can go film a movie. If they didn't care, he would have simply just missed weeks worth of TV without any explanation. Ambrose is on fire ATM. Crowd loves him and he is delivering in the ring. If that continues, I'm willing to bet he'll be just fine. It takes time. And for some reason there are those fans who expect everything to happen overnight, yet history has shown us that many of WWE's top talent had to work years for their spot. There's a difference between working for a main event spot when the right people believe in you and working for a main event spot when you're essentially doing things without the right people believing in you. Daniel Bryan and CM Punk were floundering in the upper mid card for years until the fans basically forced the company's hand, and the same can pretty much be said about Austin, too. Hard work only gets you so far, and eventually backstage politics take over and getting promoted is about who you know. That's the way it goes in any line of work, really. I'm not saying they do or don't have long-term plans for him, but don't take him main eventing one episode of RAW as a sign one way or the other that they have high hopes for Ambrose. Daniel Bryan main evented SummerSlam and CM Punk was given ECW and World Title reigns early on, and it still wasn't until years later that they did anything big with either of them. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Aug 21, 2014 22:15:30 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan and CM Punk were floundering in the upper mid card for years until the fans basically forced the company's hand, and the same can pretty much be said about Austin, too. Presumably you're talking about Austin Aries in TNA or something, and not Stone Cold Steve Austin, who won King of the Ring half a year after joining WWE, won the Royal Rumble half a year after that, then the following year won the Rumble again and main-evented WrestleMania. "Floundering in the upper mid card for years until the fans basically forced the company's hand"? Let's have a little look at how long various wrestlers went from their debut to their first WWE/world title: The Rock... Debut November 1996, first world title November 1998... Two years exactly John Cena... Debut June 2002, first world title April 2005... Two years & ten months Daniel Bryan... Debut February 2010, first world title December 2011... One year & ten months Stone Cold... Debut January 1996, first world title March 1998... Two years & two months Triple H... Debut April 1995, first world title August 1999... Four years & four months Batista... Debut May 2002, first world title April 2005... Two years & eleven months CM Punk... Debut June 2006, first world title June 2008... Two years exactly Brock Lesnar... Debut March 2002, first world title August 2002... Five months Mick Foley... Debut April 1996, first world title December 1998... Two years & eight months You might notice that CM Punk and Daniel Bryan are on the lower end of that list, with only Brock Lesnar having a faster title win from his debut than Bryan. Sheamus would also be around the same timeframe as Brock. But the majority of wrestlers -- including Triple H and John Cena -- went significantly longer "floundering in the upper mid card" waiting for their first major title than either Punk or Bryan did. |
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Post by Roadie Codes on Aug 22, 2014 2:54:33 GMT -5
I'm 25 years old and as of right now, Dean Ambrose is my favorite thing in the WWE. He's one of the few younger generation superstars that totally embraces and understands his character. Every single thing he does, whether in the ring or out of the ring, makes me believe that that's what the Dean Ambrose character would actually do in any of those situations. He's the best on the mic, out of the three Shield members, and his moveset makes so much sense for a person as crazy as him. He's unique in just about every way. Whether he's seen as a "main-eventer" right now or not doesn't matter at all because his solo career is in it's infancy. Give him time and just enjoy it.
p.s. the "lunatic fringe" gimmick is so freaking sweet.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Aug 22, 2014 3:06:35 GMT -5
He's more ready then Seth that's for sure.
Seth's promos as a heel are still cringeworthy in my opinion....
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Post by marino13 on Aug 22, 2014 7:29:00 GMT -5
But to your point... Austin was known as a great ring technician. Rock was third generation. Triple H was friends with top talent. Bret & HBK both had many years of WWE experience. Cena had a great look. They all had reasons to be shot to the top, but yet they still had to fight for their spot. And it took ALL of them years to get to there. How do we know Triple H doesn't see something in Ambrose? Did he personally tell you that? Or because that's what you assume? Plus Rollins comes from a very similar indy background, and WWE is pushing him also. So I don't see why that should come into question. As I said, if WWE didn't see something in Ambrose they would not be dedicating all this attention to him. They gave him a dramatic send off so he can go film a movie. If they didn't care, he would have simply just missed weeks worth of TV without any explanation. Ambrose is on fire ATM. Crowd loves him and he is delivering in the ring. If that continues, I'm willing to bet he'll be just fine. It takes time. And for some reason there are those fans who expect everything to happen overnight, yet history has shown us that many of WWE's top talent had to work years for their spot. There's a difference between working for a main event spot when the right people believe in you and working for a main event spot when you're essentially doing things without the right people believing in you. Daniel Bryan and CM Punk were floundering in the upper mid card for years until the fans basically forced the company's hand, and the same can pretty much be said about Austin, too. Hard work only gets you so far, and eventually backstage politics take over and getting promoted is about who you know. That's the way it goes in any line of work, really. I'm not saying they do or don't have long-term plans for him, but don't take him main eventing one episode of RAW as a sign one way or the other that they have high hopes for Ambrose. Daniel Bryan main evented SummerSlam and CM Punk was given ECW and World Title reigns early on, and it still wasn't until years later that they did anything big with either of them. But how do we know that Ambrose don't have the right people behind him? How do we know who believed in Austin or Rock at first? None of us know anything about what goes on backstage. All we can do is the same thing most dirt-sheets do, and that is speculate. And haven't we see enough cases to know dirt-sheets aren't always right? Haven't we all been proven wrong at some point? Ambrose has as good of a chance as anybody to make it to the top. He's currently in a far better position than most. The verdict is still out. He's been on his own for two months and some act like his window is closed already. I don't understand the urgency for everything to have to happen immediately. Time will tell. And I wish people would sit back and enjoy the ride rather than assuming we're headed for a crash. It's so much more fun that way. |
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Post by T R W on Aug 22, 2014 7:34:21 GMT -5
I just don't know how I am supposed to buy that people aren't behind him as I have been watching him be pushed like crazy the last year. And honestly, they are building him perfectly. Not too quick and not too slow. Personally, I think he has an "it" factor, and his charisma makes you want to watch to see what he is going to do. He tells a great story in the ring every match he is in. If things go right, I can easily see him being a similar type of character as Austin. If anything, the Authority being against him makes even more sense than Bryan or Cena because he is different, and "unstable."
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Post by philly boi on Aug 22, 2014 9:48:56 GMT -5
 these stupid reports. Ambrose WILL be the guy at some point in his career. He WILL be carrying the WWE World Heavyweight Title at some point and he will be a mother ing main eventer because he's just that damn good. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 11:07:58 GMT -5
these stupid reports. Ambrose WILL be the guy at some point in his career. He WILL be carrying the WWE World Heavyweight Title at some point and he will be a mother ing main eventer because he's just that damn good. You're in some weird ass denial I've never even heard of |
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Aug 22, 2014 11:20:16 GMT -5
these stupid reports. Ambrose WILL be the guy at some point in his career. He WILL be carrying the WWE World Heavyweight Title at some point and he will be a mother ing main eventer because he's just that damn good. You're in some weird ass denial I've never even heard of No.......he's actually pretty accurate. The guy has made it to the top of every company he's been too. And people LOVE his character. He's a lot like Foley in a sense that people see his 8x10 and think meh and then see his work put together with his amazing promos and you cannot help but realize his talent and be drawn in. Dude is the future......he won't be the face of the company but he will easily be in a Punk like role or maybe he'll be the next mega heel....either or will work. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 11:21:43 GMT -5
This isn't news.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Aug 22, 2014 11:34:31 GMT -5
Didn't Triple H hire Ambrose and all these other Indy guys? Having Triple H backing you is just as big of a deal as Jim Ross backing someone if not bigger. I'd say Triple H has more authority (no pun intended) than JR did. John Laurinaitis was the head of talent relations when The Shield got signed. Triple H didn't take over that role till the Spring 2012. As that was happening, the WWE restructured their developmental system from FCW to NXT. |
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