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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 22:34:43 GMT -5
Especially if we're going with 4 men/women that signify Independent wrestling... why would Mondo be in that mix? The guy worked CZW. Shouldn't even be spoken in the same breath as Danielson, Hero, Joe, Ki, Generico, etc. He defines the deathmatch genre for a generation of fans. Just because you don't get it doesn't mean that we can't put who we want on our lists. This is the problem with "smart" wrestling fans. UR OPINYUN IS DIFFRNT DAN MINE SO IT WRAWNG.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 22:48:06 GMT -5
Wait... weren't you the one that said "Nope" to my opinion? Learn hypocrisy, buddy. Deathmatches aren't wrestling. Mondo was a ballsy, innovative guy. Horrible wrestler. Find me a good Nick Mondo wrestling match... or is that too tough, being that every result on YouTube/Google is deathmatch garbage?
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Aug 27, 2014 22:51:56 GMT -5
I would certainly put Necro up there with Mondo. Necro has put on some god damn great matches with pure wrestlers as well. So its a close debate but I think I would go with Necro in the long run. Mondo was too death match oriented where as Necro developed a legit character and like I said put on some great matches with guys like Callihan, Kingston, Hero, etc. Mondo was awesome in the ring Triple S......idk what you've seen. Also Messiah while not the greatest wrestler ever was a ing ACE heel in CZW. Hi-V was a fantastic heel group.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 22:58:35 GMT -5
Mondo was too death match oriented Mondo was awesome in the ring Triple S......idk what you've seen. ... what? I've seen much of his stuff. I've seen Steel Domain stuff, as well as CZW weekly and his TOD stuff. He was definitely innovative and had some cool looking moves, but other than that... he wasn't a good wrestler. I just watched Punk/Mondo from a Steel Domain show. Granted Punk looked quite sloppy and both guys are young, Mondo looked atrocious and completely out of place. Couldn't lock in a wrist lock and those Irish whips made me nauseous.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 22:58:42 GMT -5
Wait... weren't you the one that said "Nope" to my opinion? Yep. Learn hypocrisy, buddy. Learn to not go into threads and force your opinions on people like they're fact like you did in the PWG thread when we were talking about Eddie Kingston. Deathmatches aren't wrestling. Mondo was a ballsy, innovative guy. Horrible wrestler. I don't like deathmatches, but Mondo is synonymous with that brand of wrestling and he's on MY list because of it. Find me a good Nick Mondo wrestling match... or is that too tough, being that every result on YouTube/Google is deathmatch garbage? There's a perfectly good match with him and a young, green CM Punk on YouTube.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 23:02:41 GMT -5
Wait... weren't you the one that said "Nope" to my opinion? Yep. Learn hypocrisy, buddy. Learn to not go into threads and force your opinions on people like they're fact like you did in the PWG thread when we were talking about Eddie Kingston. Deathmatches aren't wrestling. Mondo was a ballsy, innovative guy. Horrible wrestler. I don't like deathmatches, but Mondo is synonymous with that brand of wrestling and he's on MY list because of it. Find me a good Nick Mondo wrestling match... or is that too tough, being that every result on YouTube/Google is deathmatch garbage? There's a perfectly good match with him and a young, green CM Punk on YouTube. Sounds like someone is getting a little butthurt that I disagree with their opinion. You're obviously entitled to your opinion and not once did I say you weren't. Do I think your opinion is wrong? Yes. That's because mine differs and it's called DISAGREEING on something. Do I think you're an idiot for having that opinion? Absolutely not, but I do simply disagree with it. But I guess you saying "nope" isn't forcing your opinion on me, like it's fact. Hahahaha!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 23:06:44 GMT -5
Yep. Learn to not go into threads and force your opinions on people like they're fact like you did in the PWG thread when we were talking about Eddie Kingston. I don't like deathmatches, but Mondo is synonymous with that brand of wrestling and he's on MY list because of it. There's a perfectly good match with him and a young, green CM Punk on YouTube. Sounds like someone is getting a little butthurt that I disagree with their opinion. You're obviously entitled to your opinion and not once did I say you weren't. Do I think your opinion is wrong? Yes. That's because mine differs and it's called DISAGREEING on something. Do I think you're an idiot for having that opinion? Absolutely not, but I do simply disagree with it. But I guess you saying "nope" isn't forcing your opinion on me, like it's fact. Hahahaha! I don't care if you agree with me or not, but if you're going to go into a thread and act like my opinion sucks and try to force your opinion like it's a fact, I'm going to do the same. Turn about is fair play and things of that nature.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Aug 27, 2014 23:08:42 GMT -5
Yes I said he was too death match oriented. That does not mean that he wasn't good in the ring. He had some damn fine work with The Backseat Boys, Sonjay Dutt and more in CZW. I said he was too death match oriented because he destroyed his body so fast, didn't know how to say no and never really developed his character (like Necro did extremely well) because of it.
You're always causing arguments and trying to pass your opinion off as fact. I refuse to reply past this post.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 23:18:27 GMT -5
Where did I force my opinion on anyone? I'm discussing my opinion on Nick Mondo... a guy that was brought into the overall discussion of independent wrestlers. Don't go putting words in my mouth. Thanks. You don't like that I'm disagreeing with your opinion and getting very defensive of me saying that he's not a good wrestler.... which I've also stated very logical reasons to why he's not. .... Especially if we're going with 4 men/women that signify Independent wrestling... why would Mondo be in that mix? The guy worked CZW. Shouldn't even be spoken in the same breath as Danielson, Hero, Joe, Ki, Generico, etc. What do you call that? By the way, Generico, Low Ki and Hero worked on CZW shows. Danielson did as well and Joe worked for IWA-MS...so do they not deserve to be on the lists too?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 23:19:31 GMT -5
You're always causing arguments and trying to pass your opinion off as fact. I refuse to reply past this post. I forgot having a differing opinion than others, discussing it... and pointing out hypocrisy, when I see it was "arguing". Give me a break. You two are the ones getting angry over my opinion of something... thus claiming I'm "arguing". Learn how to have a civilized discussion. It's really not that difficult. You like him, I don't. Doesn't make anyone stupid or an idiot. It's just I difference of opinion.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Aug 27, 2014 23:22:52 GMT -5
I have civilized discussions on here daily.........how often do you?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 23:23:32 GMT -5
Where did I force my opinion on anyone? I'm discussing my opinion on Nick Mondo... a guy that was brought into the overall discussion of independent wrestlers. Don't go putting words in my mouth. Thanks. You don't like that I'm disagreeing with your opinion and getting very defensive of me saying that he's not a good wrestler.... which I've also stated very logical reasons to why he's not. .... Especially if we're going with 4 men/women that signify Independent wrestling... why would Mondo be in that mix? The guy worked CZW. Shouldn't even be spoken in the same breath as Danielson, Hero, Joe, Ki, Generico, etc. What do you call that? By the way, Generico, Low Ki and Hero worked on CZW shows. Danielson did as well and Joe worked for IWA-MS...so do they not deserve to be on the lists too? That's an opinion. See how I said it, I assumed that much was obvious. Yes. Those guys you mention also made names for themselves in MANY other promotions and countries. Household names on the independent scene. Mondo... not so much. Is that fact? No. I'd be willing to bet that majority of casual independent fans know those names and their Indy careers (before TNA/WWE) well over that of "Sick" Nick Mondo. Again, my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 23:26:53 GMT -5
I have civilized discussions on here daily.........how often do you? Thought you weren't replying? If you wanna discuss that, PM me. I'll gladly chit chat.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 23:28:02 GMT -5
.... What do you call that? By the way, Generico, Low Ki and Hero worked on CZW shows. Danielson did as well and Joe worked for IWA-MS...so do they not deserve to be on the lists too? That's an opinion. See how I said it, I assumed that much was obvious. Yes. Those guys you mention also made names for themselves in MANY other promotions and countries. Household names on the independent scene. Mondo... not so much. Is that fact? No. I'd be willing to bet that majority of casual independent fans know those names and their Indy careers (before TNA/WWE) well over that of "Sick" Nick Mondo. Again, my opinion. Those guys have also been active for the past ten years. Nick Mondo hasn't. Not hard to figure that out. When he was around, Mondo was one of the most recognizable guys on the indies. He was featured in magazines and on DVDs that were released at retail stores and was even in the Backyard Wrestling sequel on PS2/Xbox. None of those guys had that level of exposure during that era. And now I'm done.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 23:34:49 GMT -5
Along with the well known stars Mad Man Pondo, Vic Grimes, Ruckus and El Drunko.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 16:00:54 GMT -5
Steen Bucks Generico
For ROH
For all time
Punk Danielson Samoa Joe Moxley
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Post by Mox on Sept 1, 2014 16:18:08 GMT -5
Steen Bucks Generico For ROH For all time Punk Danielson Samoa Joe Moxley Moxley over Mondo??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 16:22:06 GMT -5
I have never really watched Mondo I'ma have to watch a match but I enjoy Ambrose/Moxley
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Post by Mox on Sept 1, 2014 16:23:50 GMT -5
I have never really watched Mondo I'ma have to watch a match but I enjoy Ambrose/Moxley I agree Moxley/Ambrose is a badass. You'll probably enjoy Mondo.
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Post by vampiroporvida on Sept 14, 2014 13:52:28 GMT -5
This is a heavily volatile subject, but I am going to say...
Sandman,Mondo,Danielson,Super Dragon. Or Quack,Messiah,Nova,New Jack.
Fyi: Vampiro was not in here, only because he is known, like I first saw him, from WCW or his AAA stuff. XPW was the indy he was in, but the he was more major to me.
You could do one per promotion, which would change things considerably, for peace amongst the promotions.
VPV
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