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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 6:37:09 GMT -5
For me it was a highlight of watching RAW every week at that time. I recall after mania Butterbean saying something like "I don't know if it was the best punch I ever landed, but it was probably the loudest." I'm not sure anyone in the tourney would have beaten/done much better with Esch. (haha, though you couldn't do much worse than Bart). He was a much better professional fighter than novice fans game him credit for, do to his shape and all that. Who, if anyone, in the tourney do you guys think would've beaten or made a better fight for the Bean? If Williams had won then he wouldn't have been put with Butterbean, and I'm not sure how well he'd have done either as he was just a tough badass rather than a legitimate competition fighter. Shamrock is about the only guy who would have stood a chance. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 9:26:05 GMT -5
Remember when Jakks made a Dr. Death BCA figure before he ever did anything in WWF? So strange.
That thing clogged up shelves for a long ass time. Dr. Death and Jacqueline.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 9:46:27 GMT -5
For me it was a highlight of watching RAW every week at that time. I recall after mania Butterbean saying something like "I don't know if it was the best punch I ever landed, but it was probably the loudest." I'm not sure anyone in the tourney would have beaten/done much better with Esch. (haha, though you couldn't do much worse than Bart). He was a much better professional fighter than novice fans game him credit for, do to his shape and all that. Who, if anyone, in the tourney do you guys think would've beaten or made a better fight for the Bean? If Williams had won then he wouldn't have been put with Butterbean, and I'm not sure how well he'd have done either as he was just a tough badass rather than a legitimate competition fighter. Shamrock is about the only guy who would have stood a chance. I agree. Shamrock may have been able to make it interesting at that point of his career. Imagine trying to take Butterbean off his feet? Haha, so many things could go wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 9:49:23 GMT -5
Remember when Jakks made a Dr. Death BCA figure before he ever did anything in WWF? So strange. That thing clogged up shelves for a long ass time. Dr. Death and Jacqueline. That has got to be the shelf warmer of all time. I've seen some shelf warmers in my time of collecting since the 80's, but nothing like that. |
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Post by bigraj on Oct 27, 2014 12:23:06 GMT -5
I have no recollection of anything big with him via WWF prior to BFA. No matches, no vignettes. I watched all the shows but Shotgun and never saw him on TV until BFA. What I remember is all of a sudden he appeared as a contestant in the tournament. I remember him from NWA/WCW and UWF back in the 80s and early 90s. He had a WWF trading card that came out in late 1998 (everyone seemed to be in this set-even Papi Chulo who wasn't a TV main stay). The card pictured him in his red/white singlet that Jakks half-assed and I never saw him in this outfit, ever, on WWF TV. His Jakks was on shelves, in bulk, for months. I may be one of the few to have bought one but I'm sure the reason for it not selling well is because no one knew who he was. He was in BFA for a few matches and that's it. For a guy that was JR's boy, JR must've had no say in the matter because I don't remember anything but the BFA matches. Could be wrong. Well the BFA was created to get him over when he arrived. But I seem to remember there being some buzz over him heading to WWF, because of his tenure in WCW/NWA. So he hadn't done that much before the BFA, then Bart knocks him out and he's gone. I pretty much just remember him standing next to JR when JR had his own commentary table before the BFA, as like I said, the BFA was created when he arrived to get him over. Yup. (Insert Ken Shamrock or Dan Severn here) Vs. Chris Jericho Vs. Kurt Angle Vs. Chris Benoit Pretty much all I remember of Severn was his sweaty shirt. Dr. Death was a pretty big draw for All-Japan in the early-mid 90s, both for his MVC team with Terry Gordy and his singles run, which included a run as the Triple Crown champion. Bill Watts brought in Doc & Gordy into WCW for a short run against the Steiners in 92, but they were much bigger stars in Japan, as their styles (much like Brody and Hansen) worked with the Japanese Strong Style so they fit right in with Misawa, Kawada, etc. Lots of great stuff and definitely worth spending a few hours on You Tube for some hard-hitting wrestling. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 12:41:03 GMT -5
Even if Williams won the BFA, any match with him and Austin would have sucked. I would never have, and never did, take Dr. Death seriously and there was no way in hell would a match between him and Austin be anything close to a big draw. The only interesting thing would be that the match would have has Steve Williams Vs Steve Williams.
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Post by bigraj on Oct 27, 2014 12:50:47 GMT -5
Even if Williams won the BFA, any match with him and Austin would have sucked. I would never have, and never did, take Dr. Death seriously and there was no way in hell would a match between him and Austin be anything close to a big draw. The only interesting thing would be that the match would have has Steve Williams Vs Steve Williams. Pre-injury Austin would have had a hell of a match with Doc, but an all-out brawl between them in '98 would still have been pretty wild. I don't think Doc would have had a problem taking more than his fair share of bumps for WWF PPV main event money for a few months. Doc knew how to work a safe American style, going back to his Mid-South/UWF days. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 13:12:22 GMT -5
Even if Williams won the BFA, any match with him and Austin would have sucked. I would never have, and never did, take Dr. Death seriously and there was no way in hell would a match between him and Austin be anything close to a big draw. The only interesting thing would be that the match would have has Steve Williams Vs Steve Williams. Pre-injury Austin would have had a hell of a match with Doc, but an all-out brawl between them in '98 would still have been pretty wild. I don't think Doc would have had a problem taking more than his fair share of bumps for WWF PPV main event money for a few months. Doc knew how to work a safe American style, going back to his Mid-South/UWF days. I understand what you're saying. But I just don't think Dr. Death would = PPV buys. A match like that would have been better suited for Raw. I don't think Death had the chops to match a promo with Austin as well. |
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Post by bigraj on Oct 27, 2014 13:21:48 GMT -5
Pre-injury Austin would have had a hell of a match with Doc, but an all-out brawl between them in '98 would still have been pretty wild. I don't think Doc would have had a problem taking more than his fair share of bumps for WWF PPV main event money for a few months. Doc knew how to work a safe American style, going back to his Mid-South/UWF days. I understand what you're saying. But I just don't think Dr. Death would = PPV buys. A match like that would have been better suited for Raw. I don't think Death had the chops to match a promo with Austin as well. Oh, he definitely couldn't work the mic, which is why he had few promos during this time in WCW, and most of those were very short with other talkers (Road Warriors, Kevin Sullivan) around him doing the bulk of the mic work. I don't think Doc needed to be a draw, though. Foley wasn't during that time, but he was affiliated with Vince McMahon and that's all that was required; Austin vs Vince's "hitman" of the time. Getting caught with a perfect shot from Bart Gunn made it all a moot point, though. |
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Post by The Best on Oct 29, 2014 10:53:32 GMT -5
I think they pulled Blackman out of it after he destroyed Mero. He probably would have won, he looked like he was bored out there and it was too easy for him. I expected more out of Severn, he got the takedowns and everything but he didn't look dominant. I think Blackman could have beaten him and Bart Gunn.
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