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Post by havoc7179 on Nov 14, 2014 15:10:41 GMT -5
So here's a question that I've always wondered: Did WCW screw up the nWo right from the beginning, and were we fans too young to realize and made it work because it was new and unique?
When Hall and Nash invaded, it was the idea that the WWF was bring the war to WCW. Then, Hogan joined, and while even the kid in me recognized that Hogan not only turned his back on his fans, but also WCW, it made sense because he was not a true WCW wrestler. So, I really understood this to be a war of WWF and WCW.
Then, Hogan opened his mouth and christened them the new World order.
So at that point it became all about the turning point of a generation. The younger, hungrier guys like Nash and Hall were coming in to take over. It was not the WWF. It was WCW vs. a new crop of main event level talent. They were the new guys of professional wrestling. They were the ones to lead the company into the future, and take over WCW. To quote Hogan: "They are the new blood of professional wrestling, brother. And not only are we going to take over the whole wrestling business with Hulk Hogan and the new blood, the monsters with me, we will destroy everything in our path, Mean Gene."
Yet, then they added Ted Dibiase, Virgil, VK Wallstreet (i.e. IRS), Big Bubba Rogers (i.e.Big Bossman), Brian Adams (i.e., Crush), Bret Hart, Curt Hennig (i.e., Mr. Perfect), Rick Rude, Randy Savage, . Sure, they added a guy like Buff Bagwell, but by far it was WWF castoffs.
So apparently, they ignored the concept of the new breed of wrestlers, and still went with the invasion angle of WWF wrestlers. Aside from Nash, Hall, Syxx, the Giant, K-Dawg and Bagwell, a majority of the nWo were older established vets, or the equivalent of jobbers. (e.g., Dusty Rhodes, Horace Hogan,
It's like they took the Mission Statement of the Faction, and then decided to just ignore it. Yet, we ate it up, and never thought to wonder why the old generation of WWF wrestlers were the NEW blood of professional wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 15:27:21 GMT -5
There should never have been any more members than the following.....
Hogan
Hall
Nash
Bischoff(incredibly important member)
Savage
Giant
Syxx
Hennig
Steiner
Bagwell
1)Their period of dominance should have led to new stars being created in the fight against them.....but it didn't. Sting was hot & crazy over.....but was buried in favour of Savage vs Hogan...Goldberg was annihilated forever and never got his revenge for it on Jan 4th 1999.
2)Hogan & Savage should have been able to realise that them being on top ALL THE F*CKING TIME would end up driving people away......they couldn't see this for a minute. Insane considering both men's acumen in the business.
3) nWo should have been building Steiner & Bagwell as legit future stars......it didn't.
4) Nash was CRAZY popular.....the Wolfpac should not have been nWo...it should have been used to ease out the nWo. As a faction they could have done great things for a while.
the mistakes are legion really. you could do this all day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2014 20:10:49 GMT -5
In my NWO it would ONLY be former WWF guys. Giant would be with WCW as would Bagwell etc.
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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 15, 2014 20:17:34 GMT -5
There should never have been any more members than the following..... Hogan Hall Nash Bischoff(incredibly important member) Savage Giant Syxx Hennig Steiner Bagwell 1)Their period of dominance should have led to new stars being created in the fight against them.....but it didn't. Sting was hot & crazy over.....but was buried in favour of Savage vs Hogan...Goldberg was annihilated forever and never got his revenge for it on Jan 4th 1999. 2)Hogan & Savage should have been able to realise that them being on top ALL THE F*CKING TIME would end up driving people away......they couldn't see this for a minute. Insane considering both men's acumen in the business. 3) nWo should have been building Steiner & Bagwell as legit future stars......it didn't. 4) Nash was CRAZY popular.....the Wolfpac should not have been nWo...it should have been used to ease out the nWo. As a faction they could have done great things for a while. the mistakes are legion really. you could do this all day. 2) I always looked at it like they DID know exactly what they were doing,and didn't care about any kind of future for the comapny. they wanted to stay on top and get the big money contracts,and didn't care what damage it did. 4) agreed. should've just been the Wolfpac. would've made the bitter pills of nWo foes Luger and Sting joining a much easier pill to swallow. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2014 20:20:21 GMT -5
Honestly, not to be a WCW basher, but they really botched just about everything good they ever did. The NWO was perfect in it's original incarnation. Hogan, Hall, and Nash not only made sense as just three bad dudes taking over, but really didn't need many more additions. The Horsemen worked as a power group with four men, the NWO could have did the same. Personally I would have only added Savage and then Bischoff for the power role. Four big WWF names with the man in charge of WCW would have been great. Instead we got a cluster  . |
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Post by A-Rob on Nov 16, 2014 1:57:53 GMT -5
the NWO was a great idea and it was book great from the start until they started everybody management wanted to get over. It should have ended it at Starcade 1997 when Sting won the World title or a few months after.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 4:14:01 GMT -5
Starrcade 1997 should have been the beginning of the end for them.....and it was built that way.....but instead nWo totally took over WCW in 1998.
Also Hart joining them was a booking "brain fart" par excellence. Why would Bret Hart who had just been screwed by an unjust boss turn around and leap into bed with the unjust boss in WCW?
It made no sense to anybody and wasn't over because EVERYBODY knew Bret's circumstances.
As I said ion my original post you could do this all day.......worst thing is? they had a SERIOUS chance to redeem themselves after the Fingerpoke atrocity.....that being Goldberg getting his revenge on the Super nWo one by one. Its a story that the public would have loved and once it paid off right? They would have been fine with the talent they had.
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Post by marino13 on Nov 16, 2014 11:41:26 GMT -5
nWo was great at first but after awhile it was watered down too much. Inconsistencies and poor management was not only the downfall of the nWo but also wCw. Oddly/Sadly enough the same can be said for most things in wCw.
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Post by Flair Forever on Nov 19, 2014 0:00:54 GMT -5
Starrcade 1997 should have been the beginning of the end for them.....and it was built that way.....but instead nWo totally took over WCW in 1998. Also Hart joining them was a booking "brain fart" par excellence. Why would Bret Hart who had just been screwed by an unjust boss turn around and leap into bed with the unjust boss in WCW? It made no sense to anybody and wasn't over because EVERYBODY knew Bret's circumstances. As I said ion my original post you could do this all day.......worst thing is? they had a SERIOUS chance to redeem themselves after the Fingerpoke atrocity.....that being Goldberg getting his revenge on the Super nWo one by one. Its a story that the public would have loved and once it paid off right? They would have been fine with the talent they had. Yea, this is when it started becoming unwatchable..... I mean, Bret Hart had major beef with Vince McMahon/WWE..... so why would he suddenly go to war with WCW (the sworn enemy of WWE) by joining the NWO? If he really wanted to "take over" or "destroy" a wrestling company - it would have been WWE - WCW didn't do anything to him..... Plus, it was well known that Bret didn't like Hogan - so joining the NWO made absolutely NO SENSE whatsoever.... He should have been recruited by WCW (after being burned by WWE) to help them battle the NWO, Hogan/Hall/Nash, etc..... taking on old & familiar enemies, probably would have given us some great matches & Bret would have had a renewed sense of purpose.... WCW was such a mess back then. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 19, 2014 12:17:01 GMT -5
Starrcade 1997 should have been the beginning of the end for them.....and it was built that way.....but instead nWo totally took over WCW in 1998. Also Hart joining them was a booking "brain fart" par excellence. Why would Bret Hart who had just been screwed by an unjust boss turn around and leap into bed with the unjust boss in WCW? It made no sense to anybody and wasn't over because EVERYBODY knew Bret's circumstances. As I said ion my original post you could do this all day.......worst thing is? they had a SERIOUS chance to redeem themselves after the Fingerpoke atrocity.....that being Goldberg getting his revenge on the Super nWo one by one. Its a story that the public would have loved and once it paid off right? They would have been fine with the talent they had. not to mention, Bret literally "screwed" Hogan out of the title at Starrcade... only to be his buddy and join forces with him a few months later,and help him get the title back? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 12:33:47 GMT -5
There should never have been any more members than the following..... Hogan Hall Nash Bischoff(incredibly important member) Savage Giant Syxx Hennig Steiner Bagwell 1)Their period of dominance should have led to new stars being created in the fight against them.....but it didn't. Sting was hot & crazy over.....but was buried in favour of Savage vs Hogan...Goldberg was annihilated forever and never got his revenge for it on Jan 4th 1999. 2)Hogan & Savage should have been able to realise that them being on top ALL THE F*CKING TIME would end up driving people away......they couldn't see this for a minute. Insane considering both men's acumen in the business. 3) nWo should have been building Steiner & Bagwell as legit future stars......it didn't. 4) Nash was CRAZY popular.....the Wolfpac should not have been nWo...it should have been used to ease out the nWo. As a faction they could have done great things for a while. the mistakes are legion really. you could do this all day. I agree 100%. 'Cept I think Jarrett should have been allowed in, in addition to the guys you mentioned. MAYBE Fake Sting, because it could have been used to create a more interesting angle. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 17:51:57 GMT -5
There should never have been any more members than the following..... Hogan Hall Nash Bischoff(incredibly important member) Savage Giant Syxx Hennig Steiner Bagwell 1)Their period of dominance should have led to new stars being created in the fight against them.....but it didn't. Sting was hot & crazy over.....but was buried in favour of Savage vs Hogan...Goldberg was annihilated forever and never got his revenge for it on Jan 4th 1999. 2)Hogan & Savage should have been able to realise that them being on top ALL THE F*CKING TIME would end up driving people away......they couldn't see this for a minute. Insane considering both men's acumen in the business. 3) nWo should have been building Steiner & Bagwell as legit future stars......it didn't. 4) Nash was CRAZY popular.....the Wolfpac should not have been nWo...it should have been used to ease out the nWo. As a faction they could have done great things for a while. the mistakes are legion really. you could do this all day. I agree 100%. 'Cept I think Jarrett should have been allowed in, in addition to the guys you mentioned. MAYBE Fake Sting, because it could have been used to create a more interesting angle. JJ wanted in but Hall & Nash wouldn't have it. At the time of his first jump from WWF to WCW they felt he wasn't enough of a WWF guy to make the cut....obviously this way of thinking would soon expire. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 17:54:53 GMT -5
Starrcade 1997 should have been the beginning of the end for them.....and it was built that way.....but instead nWo totally took over WCW in 1998. Also Hart joining them was a booking "brain fart" par excellence. Why would Bret Hart who had just been screwed by an unjust boss turn around and leap into bed with the unjust boss in WCW? It made no sense to anybody and wasn't over because EVERYBODY knew Bret's circumstances. As I said ion my original post you could do this all day.......worst thing is? they had a SERIOUS chance to redeem themselves after the Fingerpoke atrocity.....that being Goldberg getting his revenge on the Super nWo one by one. Its a story that the public would have loved and once it paid off right? They would have been fine with the talent they had. not to mention, Bret literally "screwed" Hogan out of the title at Starrcade... only to be his buddy and join forces with him a few months later,and help him get the title back? Jesus...I had actually forgotten that. |
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Post by LA Times on Nov 20, 2014 22:49:48 GMT -5
They botched it when 30 guys would come out of several limos all wearing NWO T-shirts and WCW never getting their revenge on them.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Nov 21, 2014 9:58:25 GMT -5
What really killed WCW was they let the inmates run the asylum. The entire nWo angle is the proof in the pudding.
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