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Post by marino13 on Nov 28, 2014 22:55:31 GMT -5
I understand that. No denying the misdiagnosis is on WWE's medical staff. I've never denied that. But my point is... waiting three-four months to get a second opinion is on Punk. He knew it hurt like hell, so there's no reason not take a few hours and have it checked out from another doctor. Hundreds of doctors make misdiagnoses every day, so why risk it? He did pretty much as soon as he was gone. And also, it didn't hurt him until very soon to when he left. Doctor still refused to cut it out, few days later Punk is gone and has gone to AJ's doctor. If it didn't hurt then that could be why they dismissed it and assumed it was just a fatty deposit. I had one in my foot once and it was no big deal. I was told they usually go away on their own and are nothing to be concerned about. And it did. I have no idea why they didn't test it further, I'm not a doctor. And I certainly don't pretend to know all the details. But as I've said numerous times... misdiagnoses happen every day. My grandmother died from one, my mom almost did, and I walked around years with a broken spine because of one. It happens. And if Punk was that concerned about it, he could have had it checked out sooner. And then shoved the results in WWE's doctor's face. That's all I'm saying. |
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Post by Starscream on Nov 28, 2014 22:56:23 GMT -5
They screwed Punk from the word go, and it appears that they screwed him till the bitter end. Also, it's no revelation that Ryback is unsafe - the bloke's rubbish and always will be. I'm not saying he didn't deserve to main event Mania, it just didn't happen because of timing and other factors and he has to accept that. If they were going to change their original plan, just to shoehorn him into the match with Rock and Cena, then it wouldn't have been fair on the other guys on his paygrade. They just as well have made it a 6 pack challenge if they were doing that. If he hadn't left, he'd have main evented Mania eventually. Not even the top guy necessarily gets to main event Wrestlemania, Bret didn't in WM11 or WM13. Cena didn't last year. It's all about timing. Could you stop repeating the same old crap about "timing" and "paygrades"... when it came to main-eventing 'Mania, they screwed Punk over and you, and everybody else with a clue, knows it. Well...it was all about the timing, Punk was not screwed, he got over too late, two Rock vs Cena matches were set way before even WM 27 went live, there was nothing he could do, no matter the "pipebombs" he'll drop, can´t believe people are still thinking theres a conspiracy against this guy or that it was Rocks or HHHs fault or hell, even Vinces fault, it wasnt, Rock vs Cena was/is money, money Punk simply cannot draw, he´s great, we get it, but he is not as good as he thinks he is, he got over at the wrong place in the worst time if main eventing Mania was his goal. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 23:01:41 GMT -5
Sour grapes. I think I'm the greatest ever And they don't. Sour grapes. I'm an bunghole that barely anyone liked. Sour grapes. Peoe didn't like me because I was disrespectful. Sour grapes. More sour grapes. I never main evented WrestleMania. Sour grapes. Concussion tests. Staph infections. Sour grapes. Ryback is on steroids. Sour grapes.  Triple H. Sour grapes. That's basically what I'm getting out of this. He literally bashed the company that made him rich and famous and some of you are so far up his ass that you're bashing that same company that you at least do one or more of the following: watch weekly, subscribe to the network, go to shows, buy merchandise. He's gone. He doesn't want to come back. Wwe won't take him back. After what he's said being as they actually never really liked him, we won't see him again. I'm okay with it. He was really good. I was a fan at one point. Some consider him the greatest and that's absolutely laughable. He's nowhere close. But when you think of yourself so highly, and the ratings and ppv buys never really showed it after his "pipe bomb" he's 100% all sizzle and no steak. Looking back I can see that. At the time I was drinking his kool aid, but once I stopped I woke up quickly. CM Punk is the Jim Jones of wrestling. Have a happy retirement and marriage and life, but as far as wresing goes, off. And I'm sure I'll get quoted on this by Punk fanboys and that's fine, this will be my only post in this thread. My final conclusion: CM Punk is the true bitch I've been saying he was all year long. This is all obviously my opinion but him and his gullible and naive fans.  |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 28, 2014 23:03:00 GMT -5
They screwed Punk from the word go, and it appears that they screwed him till the bitter end. Also, it's no revelation that Ryback is unsafe - the bloke's rubbish and always will be. Could you stop repeating the same old crap about "timing" and "paygrades"... when it came to main-eventing 'Mania, they screwed Punk over and you, and everybody else with a clue, knows it. Well...it was all about the timing, Punk was not screwed, he got over too late, two Rock vs Cena matches were set way before even WM 27 went live, there was nothing he could do, no matter the "pipebombs" he'll drop, can´t believe people are still thinking theres a conspiracy against this guy or that it was Rocks or HHHs fault or hell, even Vinces fault, it wasnt, Rock vs Cena was/is money, money Punk simply cannot draw, he´s great, we get it, but he is not as good as he thinks he is, he got over at the wrong place in the worst time if main eventing Mania was his goal. Punk can't draw? Interesting as he sold PPVs well and moved merchandise better than anyone not named Cena. But yea, he can't draw. He said it best in the podcast. "You don't give me a chance to draw at WrestleMania." |
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Post by philleaps on Nov 28, 2014 23:15:25 GMT -5
At the end of the day, it's his life. In his opinion he believes he made the right call. He's happy with his life now, and why shouldn't he be? He was able to walk away on his own terms.
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Post by Starscream on Nov 28, 2014 23:21:30 GMT -5
Well...it was all about the timing, Punk was not screwed, he got over too late, two Rock vs Cena matches were set way before even WM 27 went live, there was nothing he could do, no matter the "pipebombs" he'll drop, can´t believe people are still thinking theres a conspiracy against this guy or that it was Rocks or HHHs fault or hell, even Vinces fault, it wasnt, Rock vs Cena was/is money, money Punk simply cannot draw, he´s great, we get it, but he is not as good as he thinks he is, he got over at the wrong place in the worst time if main eventing Mania was his goal. Punk can't draw? Interesting as he sold PPVs well and moved merchandise better than anyone not named Cena. But yea, he can't draw. He said it best in the podcast. "You don't give me a chance to draw at WrestleMania." So you think if Punk was given a chance against Cena at Mania, he could of drawed as much as Rock vs Cena? Say what you want about the match, but Punk vs Cena simply cant top Rock vs Cena moneywise. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 28, 2014 23:26:31 GMT -5
Punk can't draw? Interesting as he sold PPVs well and moved merchandise better than anyone not named Cena. But yea, he can't draw. He said it best in the podcast. "You don't give me a chance to draw at WrestleMania." So you think if Punk was given a chance against Cena at Mania, he could of drawed as much as Rock vs Cena? Say what you want about the match, but Punk vs Cena simply cant top Rock vs Cena moneywise. I agree with that, however I think there was more money in Cena/Punk/Rock, than yet another Rock/Cena match. I personally, and I know I'm only one example, didn't order WrestleMania 29. I had ZERO interest in watching Cena/Rock II. It was the only WrestleMania that I chose to not order. I also feel that, even if they wanted to do Cena/Rock II, it didn't need the title. Punk's 500 day reign vs. The Streak is the biggest match you could put up from a kayfabe perspective since Streak vs. Career. |
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Post by Starscream on Nov 28, 2014 23:52:29 GMT -5
So you think if Punk was given a chance against Cena at Mania, he could of drawed as much as Rock vs Cena? Say what you want about the match, but Punk vs Cena simply cant top Rock vs Cena moneywise. I agree with that, however I think there was more money in Cena/Punk/Rock, than yet another Rock/Cena match. I personally, and I know I'm only one example, didn't order WrestleMania 29. I had ZERO interest in watching Cena/Rock II. It was the only WrestleMania that I chose to not order. I also feel that, even if they wanted to do Cena/Rock II, it didn't need the title. Punk's 500 day reign vs. The Streak is the biggest match you could put up from a kayfabe perspective since Streak vs. Career. I believe you and I also wanted the triple threat, but it that were to happen, who could of faced Taker? I think Jericho was a good choice if the triple threat happened, Cena/Rock II needed the title so they could get away with breaking the whole "Once in a lifetime". Anyway, I was a huge Punk fan back in the old ROH days, I even remember the days when he was so despised by most of the users here, they thought he was a fluke, that he was boring, he proved them wrong, but man, his attitude is so annoying, sometimes he speaks like a teenager that never grew up, exaggerating everything, blaming everyone but himself, what he said could be true or could be lies, still, if he is REALLY happy as he says he is then I´m happy for him. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 0:03:35 GMT -5
Listened to the podcast earlier tonight while at work. Crazy stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 0:03:53 GMT -5
Punk can't draw? Interesting as he sold PPVs well and moved merchandise better than anyone not named Cena. But yea, he can't draw. He said it best in the podcast. "You don't give me a chance to draw at WrestleMania." So you think if Punk was given a chance against Cena at Mania, he could of drawed as much as Rock vs Cena? Say what you want about the match, but Punk vs Cena simply cant top Rock vs Cena moneywise. But Punk was right. How many Wrestlemania Main Eventers did the WWE have in that locker room then/now? They can't make guys like Cena/Rock if they don't give them a chance. |
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Post by Brad on Nov 29, 2014 0:06:32 GMT -5
Well...it was all about the timing, Punk was not screwed, he got over too late, two Rock vs Cena matches were set way before even WM 27 went live, there was nothing he could do, no matter the "pipebombs" he'll drop, can´t believe people are still thinking theres a conspiracy against this guy or that it was Rocks or HHHs fault or hell, even Vinces fault, it wasnt, Rock vs Cena was/is money, money Punk simply cannot draw, he´s great, we get it, but he is not as good as he thinks he is, he got over at the wrong place in the worst time if main eventing Mania was his goal. Punk can't draw? Interesting as he sold PPVs well and moved merchandise better than anyone not named Cena. But yea, he can't draw. He said it best in the podcast. "You don't give me a chance to draw at WrestleMania." Saying Punk wasn't a draw is ignorant for sure. The man out sold Cena in merch. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 0:23:10 GMT -5
Sour grapes. I think I'm the greatest ever And they don't. Sour grapes. I'm an bunghole that barely anyone liked. Sour grapes. Peoe didn't like me because I was disrespectful. Sour grapes. More sour grapes. I never main evented WrestleMania. Sour grapes. Concussion tests. Staph infections. Sour grapes. Ryback is on steroids. Sour grapes. Triple H. Sour grapes. That's basically what I'm getting out of this. He literally bashed the company that made him rich and famous and some of you are so far up his ass that you're bashing that same company that you at least do one or more of the following: watch weekly, subscribe to the network, go to shows, buy merchandise. He's gone. He doesn't want to come back. Wwe won't take him back. After what he's said being as they actually never really liked him, we won't see him again. I'm okay with it. He was really good. I was a fan at one point. Some consider him the greatest and that's absolutely laughable. He's nowhere close. But when you think of yourself so highly, and the ratings and ppv buys never really showed it after his "pipe bomb" he's 100% all sizzle and no steak. Looking back I can see that. At the time I was drinking his kool aid, but once I stopped I woke up quickly. CM Punk is the Jim Jones of wrestling. Have a happy retirement and marriage and life, but as far as wresing goes, off. And I'm sure I'll get quoted on this by Punk fanboys and that's fine, this will be my only post in this thread. My final conclusion: CM Punk is the true bitch I've been saying he was all year long. This is all obviously my opinion but him and his gullible and naive fans. I'm not a Punk fan by any means, but this post is just dumb. |
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Post by Starscream on Nov 29, 2014 0:23:15 GMT -5
So you think if Punk was given a chance against Cena at Mania, he could of drawed as much as Rock vs Cena? Say what you want about the match, but Punk vs Cena simply cant top Rock vs Cena moneywise. But Punk was right. How many Wrestlemania Main Eventers did the WWE have in that locker room then/now? They can't make guys like Cena/Rock if they don't give them a chance. I agree, but who knows? maybe the wrestlers themselves are the ones that are afraid to ask for opportunity, Punk got where he is by never taking a no for an answer, thats the only thing I admire from CM Punk, but I really want to hear what HHH or Vince has to say about the whole Orton/Batista main eventing Mania without Bryan thing, I always had the idea and was optimistic that Bryan was getting the main event at Mania, the moment he lost to Orton at SummerSlam. But now Punk says that was not the case...but,you know, in the end who knows lol, we are just random guys with a keyboard that give us the power/illusion to believe we know better, oh well. |
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Post by Hulk Who? on Nov 29, 2014 0:28:36 GMT -5
You can see he was irrationally obsessed with his definition of headlining Wrestlemania, he was becoming THE man regardless. Going last is kind of irrelevant compared to being on the cover of the video game isn't it? If he's not irrationally obsessed with that as his drive, why on earth would anyone want to be in a 3 way with Cena and Rock over the one he had with Undertaker, which was awesome. He even said he didn't care about it, wasn't interested in rewatching it when everyone congratulated him for it. Everyone involved looks immature and emotional. This crap has happened so many times before, you'd think Punk could reach out to any number of veterans like Austin and Taker or even Cena or Orton before it blew up. BTW I'm not bashing him by saying it's an irrational obsession, you would need that to succeed. I do get him complaining about losing to Triple H, Brock and Rock followed by them immediately leaving.
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Post by Planktung on Nov 29, 2014 0:45:44 GMT -5
DA BIG GUY claims that Punk is full of sh*t.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 0:57:49 GMT -5
DA BIG GUY claims that Punk is full of sh*t. Of course. Why wouldn't he? |
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Nov 29, 2014 0:59:14 GMT -5
After listening to that, I wonder if Ryback and Triple H lost a few fans. Haha
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 1:01:45 GMT -5
Ryback has been backed into a corner (no pun intended) after being called a steroid freak and unsafe worker so the only way for him to come out looking good is to discredit ALL of Punk's statements.
Notice how Ryback didn't deny abusing steroids or being unsafe.
Instead, he simply said "Punk never confronted me". Uhhh...yeah ok.
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Post by Rattlehead on Nov 29, 2014 1:20:56 GMT -5
I believe one thing he said.... "WWE doesn't do anything to protect the wrestlers, they do things to protect themselves" a lot of wrestlers must be ing up because we've seen many disappear from your TV screens. I actually think Cesaro is being punished for his Orton vs Cena comment. |
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Nov 29, 2014 1:46:04 GMT -5
If he is to be 100% believed, then he definitely got screwed. I feel the same way as I ever have about him as a person and as a talent, but even if he is an overrated prick I didn't want to see him crippled or worse. My personal feelings aside he ran a brutal schedule, they couldn't care less about his health, and it honestly sounds a lot like what Kurt Angle was so pissed off about when he was fired in 06(I think). Although I don't think Ryback actually took years off of his life, the past two years in WWE likely have. Unfortunately This, the network lawsuit, and the Del Rio fiasco are leaving a terrible black eye on WWE as a company. Since WWE is the most recognizable wrestling organization, the pro wrestling industry itself is again going to catch bullets. The next year or so would be an excellent time for nobody to die (not that there ever is a good time, obviously).
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