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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 10:18:22 GMT -5
They also could have done Cena vs. Rock vs. Orton. There are at least 5 guys on Punk's paygrade that could have main evented and deserve it as much as he does. Punk's problem is he wants equal treatment to Cena, but without selling tickets and merch like Cena he simply doesn't deserve it. While there were guys on Punk's level, like an Orton, Orotn has main evented WrestleMania. He crapped the bed when he did in 25, but still, he got the chance. Punk, as a face, moved more merch than Orton and got bigger pops than he ever did. He was also more over as a heel. On topic, it's great to finally hear about stuff from CM Punk. I'm sure there are two sides to the story and as we all know, the full truth usually falls somewhere in between. I do believe a fair amount of this. - If he did indeed get less of a paycheck than Rock, Cena, Undertaker, Triple H and Brock at WrestleMania 29 that's crazy. - I always said that he was brought back way too fast after WrestleMania 29 - I'm not too sure that Punk got a huge sponsorship but if he did, I could totally see it being given away - Being hurt by Ryback seems likely since there has been talk about Ryback being unsafe - The Shield being with Punk was something that I wanted originally, but I prefer it the way it ended up being - Triple H did indeed stifle Punk's 2011 momentum. Stupid. Not everyone can main event Wrestlemania, by the time Punk was on that level, he had to contend with Rock and Cena. Punk is a small fry compared to them, and just making their match a three way to appease him wouldn't have been fair on the other guys on his paygrade like I said. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 27, 2014 10:19:38 GMT -5
CM Punk can bitch and moan that he never got to headline WrestleMania. He should realize that timing was clearly not on his side. When you factor in The Rock for WrestleMania's XXVII to XXIX, everybody knew The Rock had to be involved in the match that closes the show. If The Rock wasn't involved in those three WrestleMania's, the buyrates would have been much lower. This. While I don't doubt a lot of the things he said, Punk comes off as a self-indulged jerk as well. The guy claims his WWE career was a failure for not main eventing WM, yet he was given the longest WWE Title reign since the Rock n' Roll era, defended the WWE Title at WM, was given a match with Undertaker at WM, and was a 5 time world champ. He was given more freedom over his promos than most others, feuded with the top guys, and was a focal point for years. Most guys don't get a fraction of what he got, and would kill to have any small amount of that success. I see both sides at fault for this volatile relationship and it was eventually going to happen. Though if there is one thing Punk said I find very believable its his feelings towards HHH. Its nothing new but coming from a former top star it seems to validate HHH being one of the biggest sharks of all time. The guy will chew anyone up and spit them out if he fears their popularity and standing backstage. I'll admit that saying your whole WWE career was a failure because you didn't headline WrestleMania was a line I didn't like. The guy had a great career, he just always felt that he should be the best and when he didn't get that, he got upset. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 10:21:16 GMT -5
I think I'll add this thread to my "DO NOT READ" pile, because I already know there's going to be a bunch of morons coming in here making zero sense and just complaining, arguing and getting this thread locked
So I'm just gonna say this, if you haven't watched the entire podcast, do it. It's one of the most eye opening things you'll ever hear about the WWE
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Nov 27, 2014 10:25:14 GMT -5
There is a reason why the WWE tends to shy away from doing Triple Threat main events at WrestleMania. Considering that there has been only two Triple Threat matches that headlined WrestleMania, it speaks for itself. You couldn't keep The Undertaker off the card so by default, CM Punk was the only man 'Taker could have been paired with. CM Punk should have realized that timing was not on his side. Vince McMahon wanted The Rock & John Cena to headline 'Mania XXIX in a singles match. What Vince McMahon want's, he gets. Besides,, Punk saying Vince McMahon is out of touch isn't really news. Vince has been out of touch for over twenty years. John Cena has been overcoming the odds so many times. When we see more and more of it, it becomes the standard in his matches. Seems as if CM Punk expected for the machine to hand everything to him on a silver platter. No wonder why the WWE mistreated him in the first place. There it goes. You were making sense until that line. CM Punk never expected to be handed anything. The dude worked hard to go from OVW to ECW to the second biggest face in the company. He felt that he deserved a WrestleMania main event, not because it was owed to him but because he earned it. He earned it by being the second biggest face in the company (bigger than Orton, Batista or any other guy they put as the number two behind Cena). The fact that Randy Orton, Batista and THE MIZ got to main event a WrestleMania while he didn't is a bit embarrassing. Timing has to be on a performers side. Batista was given a main event spot against Triple H because it was teased for a couple of months. Additionally, it propelled Batista into a main eventer. Randy Orton receive the chance because he was in a high profile program against Triple H leading into WrestleMania XXV. As far as The Miz is concerned, The Miz is one of their go-to guys when it comes to promoting the WWE. CM Punk can air his grievances all he wants. Nothing can change the fact he wasn't given chance after chance. He should be extremely lucky he had the belt for 434-days. Not many guys can can say they had a world championship reign that lasted over four hundred days. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 27, 2014 10:25:27 GMT -5
While there were guys on Punk's level, like an Orton, Orotn has main evented WrestleMania. He crapped the bed when he did in 25, but still, he got the chance. Punk, as a face, moved more merch than Orton and got bigger pops than he ever did. He was also more over as a heel. On topic, it's great to finally hear about stuff from CM Punk. I'm sure there are two sides to the story and as we all know, the full truth usually falls somewhere in between. I do believe a fair amount of this. - If he did indeed get less of a paycheck than Rock, Cena, Undertaker, Triple H and Brock at WrestleMania 29 that's crazy. - I always said that he was brought back way too fast after WrestleMania 29 - I'm not too sure that Punk got a huge sponsorship but if he did, I could totally see it being given away - Being hurt by Ryback seems likely since there has been talk about Ryback being unsafe - The Shield being with Punk was something that I wanted originally, but I prefer it the way it ended up being - Triple H did indeed stifle Punk's 2011 momentum. Stupid. Not everyone can main event Wrestlemania, by the time Punk was on that level, he had to contend with Rock and Cena. Punk is a small fry compared to them, and just making their match a three way to appease him wouldn't have been fair on the other guys on his paygrade like I said. Had CM Punk been handled correctly in the Straight Edge Society and after that, he should've had the main event in WrestleMania at 27. Not The Miz, who is a small fry when compared to Punk even. I get what your saying, as Rock and Cena are above his paygrade and I understand that. But Punk was disrespected back then even, when he was the most over heel in the company and the SES was broken up. He was then put into Nexus for some stupid reason, but he even made that work. Instead of putting him against the top good guy at WrestleMania, Miz was positioned over him. Yes, Miz was doing fine work and I liked his stuff then, but Punk should have main evented a WrestleMania over him, no doubt. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 27, 2014 10:27:33 GMT -5
I've said this over and over again, CM Punk's only logical opponent at WrestleMania XXIX was The Undertaker. The more I hear of people wishing to had seen a Triple Threat Match headlining 'mania XXIX, it makes me want to rip my hair out. That could be your feelings towards it. The WWE could've gotten the big money main event that The Rock brings in. CM Punk could've headlined a WrestleMania like he wanted and deserved to do after being the best thing about the WWE in 2012. John Cena gets to overcome the TWO BIGGEST OBSTACLES that he has faced. Cena overcomes the odds...sounds like something the WWE would love. You protect the "Once in a Lifetime" feel that WrestleMania 28's match had. Punk going in at champion would've been huge, but even if he didn't, this would've been the way to do. Seems like it makes sense to me and a lot of others. The IWC needs to come to terms that Cena/Rock was always the planned main event for WM29, going as far back as WM27 when Rock first returned. The whole point of Cena loosing the year before to Rock was to set up the rematch. That was the storyline. Punk didn't fit in and in a way was a long transitional champ until Rock returned in January. Fighting Taker was the logical choice for WM29. And Punk did headline WM28. He didn't go on last, but his match was promoted as one of the main events. Few guys ever get to go on last at WM, but few guys also defend the WWE Title at WM, which Punk did. Unfortunately for Punk, he hit his stride during the 2.5 year span that Rock was making his grand return. The timing wasn't on his side, but lets not pretend that this was all WWE's fault either. Punk's not exactly a saint either. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 27, 2014 10:27:41 GMT -5
There it goes. You were making sense until that line. CM Punk never expected to be handed anything. The dude worked hard to go from OVW to ECW to the second biggest face in the company. He felt that he deserved a WrestleMania main event, not because it was owed to him but because he earned it. He earned it by being the second biggest face in the company (bigger than Orton, Batista or any other guy they put as the number two behind Cena). The fact that Randy Orton, Batista and THE MIZ got to main event a WrestleMania while he didn't is a bit embarrassing. Timing has to be on a performers side. Batista was given a main event spot against Triple H because it was teased for a couple of months. Additionally, it propelled Batista into a main eventer. Randy Orton receive the chance because he was in a high profile program against Triple H leading into WrestleMania XXV. As far as The Miz is concerned, The Miz is one of their go-to guys when it comes to promoting the WWE. CM Punk can air his grievances all he wants. Nothing can change the fact he wasn't given chance after chance. He should be extremely lucky he had the belt for 434-days. Not many guys can can say they had a world championship reign that lasted over four hundred days. As I said, I understood why Randy Orton and Batista were given their opportunities. The Miz was being heavily pushed, but Punk in the Straight Edge Society was the most over and hated heel the company had. Instead of running with that until WrestleMania and using him against Cena (a fresh matchup by the way), Miz was slotted in there. As I told AF, Miz was doing fine work, but Punk should've been in that slot if you want to talk "timing." That was thrown out the window for no reason and he was put in the mid-card against Randy Orton. I do love that match though. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 10:28:42 GMT -5
Not everyone can main event Wrestlemania, by the time Punk was on that level, he had to contend with Rock and Cena. Punk is a small fry compared to them, and just making their match a three way to appease him wouldn't have been fair on the other guys on his paygrade like I said. Had CM Punk been handled correctly in the Straight Edge Society and after that, he should've had the main event in WrestleMania at 27. Not The Miz, who is a small fry when compared to Punk even. I get what your saying, as Rock and Cena are above his paygrade and I understand that. But Punk was disrespected back then even, when he was the most over heel in the company and the SES was broken up. He was then put into Nexus for some stupid reason, but he even made that work. Instead of putting him against the top good guy at WrestleMania, Miz was positioned over him. Yes, Miz was doing fine work and I liked his stuff then, but Punk should have main evented a WrestleMania over him, no doubt. I'm not saying he didn't deserve to main event Mania, it just didn't happen because of timing and other factors and he has to accept that. If they were going to change their original plan, just to shoehorn him into the match with Rock and Cena, then it wouldn't have been fair on the other guys on his paygrade. They just as well have made it a 6 pack challenge if they were doing that. If he hadn't left, he'd have main evented Mania eventually. Not even the top guy necessarily gets to main event Wrestlemania, Bret didn't in WM11 or WM13. Cena didn't last year. It's all about timing. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 27, 2014 10:31:59 GMT -5
Had CM Punk been handled correctly in the Straight Edge Society and after that, he should've had the main event in WrestleMania at 27. Not The Miz, who is a small fry when compared to Punk even. I get what your saying, as Rock and Cena are above his paygrade and I understand that. But Punk was disrespected back then even, when he was the most over heel in the company and the SES was broken up. He was then put into Nexus for some stupid reason, but he even made that work. Instead of putting him against the top good guy at WrestleMania, Miz was positioned over him. Yes, Miz was doing fine work and I liked his stuff then, but Punk should have main evented a WrestleMania over him, no doubt. I'm not saying he didn't deserve to main event Mania, it just didn't happen because of timing and other factors and he has to accept that. If they were going to change their original plan, just to shoehorn him into the match with Rock and Cena, then it wouldn't have been fair on the other guys on his paygrade. They just as well have made it a 6 pack challenge if they were doing that. If he hadn't left, he'd have main evented Mania eventually. Not even the top guy necessarily gets to main event Wrestlemania, Bret didn't in WM11 or WM13. Cena didn't last year. It's all about timing. Look at you taking a logical approach to this. I appreciate that. I like that we can have differing opinions (like how you say Ambrose sucks and I say Billy Gunn sucked), yet still get along. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 10:38:49 GMT -5
I'm not saying he didn't deserve to main event Mania, it just didn't happen because of timing and other factors and he has to accept that. If they were going to change their original plan, just to shoehorn him into the match with Rock and Cena, then it wouldn't have been fair on the other guys on his paygrade. They just as well have made it a 6 pack challenge if they were doing that. If he hadn't left, he'd have main evented Mania eventually. Not even the top guy necessarily gets to main event Wrestlemania, Bret didn't in WM11 or WM13. Cena didn't last year. It's all about timing. Look at you taking a logical approach to this. I appreciate that. I like that we can have differing opinions (like how you say Ambrose sucks and I say Billy Gunn sucked), yet still get along. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 10:40:38 GMT -5
Looking forward to listening to this podcast tomorrow.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Nov 27, 2014 10:44:53 GMT -5
Timing has to be on a performers side. Batista was given a main event spot against Triple H because it was teased for a couple of months. Additionally, it propelled Batista into a main eventer. Randy Orton receive the chance because he was in a high profile program against Triple H leading into WrestleMania XXV. As far as The Miz is concerned, The Miz is one of their go-to guys when it comes to promoting the WWE. CM Punk can air his grievances all he wants. Nothing can change the fact he wasn't given chance after chance. He should be extremely lucky he had the belt for 434-days. Not many guys can can say they had a world championship reign that lasted over four hundred days. As I said, I understood why Randy Orton and Batista were given their opportunities. The Miz was being heavily pushed, but Punk in the Straight Edge Society was the most over and hated heel the company had. Instead of running with that until WrestleMania and using him against Cena (a fresh matchup by the way), Miz was slotted in there. As I told AF, Miz was doing fine work, but Punk should've been in that slot if you want to talk "timing." That was thrown out the window for no reason and he was put in the mid-card against Randy Orton. I do love that match though. Hypothetically speaking here, if you slot CM Punk with The Rock and John Cena leading into WrestleMania XXIX, Punk would have been relegated as the third wheel. This is what happened wit The Miz during his program with John Cena leading into WrestleMania XXVII. The Miz was an afterthought in the end. The same would have happened to Punk. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 10:59:51 GMT -5
Ryback is a steroid guy. that's why he has failed a wellness test oh that's right he didn't. Punk is just a very bitter man.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 27, 2014 11:00:59 GMT -5
As I said, I understood why Randy Orton and Batista were given their opportunities. The Miz was being heavily pushed, but Punk in the Straight Edge Society was the most over and hated heel the company had. Instead of running with that until WrestleMania and using him against Cena (a fresh matchup by the way), Miz was slotted in there. As I told AF, Miz was doing fine work, but Punk should've been in that slot if you want to talk "timing." That was thrown out the window for no reason and he was put in the mid-card against Randy Orton. I do love that match though. Hypothetically speaking here, if you slot CM Punk with The Rock and John Cena leading into WrestleMania XXIX, Punk would have been relegated as the third wheel. This is what happened wit The Miz during his program with John Cena leading into WrestleMania XXVII. The Miz was an afterthought in the end. The same would have happened to Punk. I agree to some level. CM Punk would've stood way more than Miz because A) he was more legit and B) he's way better. But yes, he would have been a third wheel and he would have been upset about that. Punk is that kind of guy and I'm not denying that. So, should he have main evented 27? Yes. Would he have found the fact that he was a third wheel to be upsetting? Yes. Doesn't change the fact that he should have main evented. |
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Nov 27, 2014 11:14:58 GMT -5
Hypothetically speaking here, if you slot CM Punk with The Rock and John Cena leading into WrestleMania XXIX, Punk would have been relegated as the third wheel. This is what happened wit The Miz during his program with John Cena leading into WrestleMania XXVII. The Miz was an afterthought in the end. The same would have happened to Punk. I agree to some level. CM Punk would've stood way more than Miz because A) he was more legit and B) he's way better. But yes, he would have been a third wheel and he would have been upset about that. Punk is that kind of guy and I'm not denying that. So, should he have main evented 27? Yes. Would he have found the fact that he was a third wheel to be upsetting? Yes. Doesn't change the fact that he should have main evented. I have not heard any top guy bitch about not being positioned last on the WrestleMania card. CM Punk should be glad he got to perform at WrestleMania. The WWE's mentality is the more top matches they have, the better the event can draw. To prove my point, I don't think Triple H minded being in the first match at WrestleMania XXX. He did his part, made Daniel Bryan look like a million bucks, and had one is one of the best opening matches in 'Mania history. Punk won't ever swallow his pride and it such a shame he won't. Suppose if Punk was on TV right now. He could have positioned as the guy to take the WWE Championship off of Brock Lesnar. The timing could have been there if he played his cards right. A program like this could have had a very compelling story worthy of being a headlining match at WrestleMania XXXI. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 27, 2014 11:18:07 GMT -5
I agree to some level. CM Punk would've stood way more than Miz because A) he was more legit and B) he's way better. But yes, he would have been a third wheel and he would have been upset about that. Punk is that kind of guy and I'm not denying that. So, should he have main evented 27? Yes. Would he have found the fact that he was a third wheel to be upsetting? Yes. Doesn't change the fact that he should have main evented. I have not heard any top guy bitch about not being positioned last on the WrestleMania card. CM Punk should be glad he got to perform at WrestleMania. The WWE's mentality is the more top matches they have, the better the event can draw. To prove my point, I don't think Triple H minded being in the first match at WrestleMania XXX. He did his part, made Daniel Bryan look like a million bucks, and had one is one of the best opening matches in 'Mania history. Punk won't ever swallow his pride and it such a shame he won't. Suppose if Punk was on TV right now. He could have positioned as the guy to take the WWE Championship off of Brock Lesnar. The timing could have been there if he played his cards right. A program like this could have had a very compelling story worthy of being a headlining match at WrestleMania XXXI. If you think the WWE would have Punk be the guy to take the belt off of Brock Lesnar, I'd like to have some of whatever you're smoking. If they didn't make him the top guy during his 2012 run, they would not make him the next top guy by having him beat the guy who beat the Streak. That spot is going to the guy who is supposed to take over and, even if Punk played his cards right, the WWE never saw him as that person. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 11:20:54 GMT -5
Ryback is a steroid guy. that's why he has failed a wellness test oh that's right he didn't. Punk is just a very bitter man. Just because you pass a wellness test doesn't mean you don't take them lol there are ones that don't show up and there are ways to pass it while taking them |
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Post by punksnotdead on Nov 27, 2014 11:24:06 GMT -5
Punk should have been given Miz's spot at WM27. He was the biggest heel on the roster and he was feuding with Cena on the road to Mania. Plus, Miz sucks, and was easily one of the most undeserving WWE Champions and Mania main eventers ever. So Punk being injected between Rock vs Cena or not, he should have been elevated before he absolutely forced the issue. This isn't a debate for me. It's a fact based on the series of events that followed that WrestleMania. I have absolutely no doubt that HHH and CM Punk  ing hate each other. I hope that CM Punk is able to find his love for wrestling again. He's quite easily one of the most entertaining guys I've ever had the pleasure of watching. I have do doubt what he's saying is true though. I've personally talked to Raven about his issues with WWE and the mistreatment of guys and the push to form a union. So hearing that came as no surprise honestly. That stuff isn't going to change until someone of Punk's caliber sues them publicly in grand fashion. Regardless, I'm extremely thankful for the time we got with him, I'm glad I went out of my way to meet him on multiple occasions and go out and see him perform as much as possible. He gave me everything as a fan and I'll never forget that. Again though, I hope he makes his way back when he finds his love for wrestling again. Other notes: A Shield comprised of Ohno, Ambrose, and Rollins would have been even more amazing than what we got imo. Ryback sucks... still. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Nov 27, 2014 11:25:07 GMT -5
The injury stuff and no time off is on them -- although how much truth there is to the specifics he gives and how much of it is "poor me" sympathy-begging, we don't know. But he was certainly looking like a worn down, beaten up piece of crap for that last year he was there, particularly after he came back for the Jericho fight.
The delusional self-aggrandising stuff is on him. His silly, unfounded WrestleMania main event entitlement thing is just funny. Basically, it just sounds mostly like the standard ego-driven stuff that WWE and wrestlers fall out over. Same as Austin, Warrior. At some point, he'll probably be back for something.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Nov 27, 2014 11:28:43 GMT -5
I have not heard any top guy bitch about not being positioned last on the WrestleMania card. CM Punk should be glad he got to perform at WrestleMania. The WWE's mentality is the more top matches they have, the better the event can draw. To prove my point, I don't think Triple H minded being in the first match at WrestleMania XXX. He did his part, made Daniel Bryan look like a million bucks, and had one is one of the best opening matches in 'Mania history. Punk won't ever swallow his pride and it such a shame he won't. Suppose if Punk was on TV right now. He could have positioned as the guy to take the WWE Championship off of Brock Lesnar. The timing could have been there if he played his cards right. A program like this could have had a very compelling story worthy of being a headlining match at WrestleMania XXXI. If you think the WWE would have Punk be the guy to take the belt off of Brock Lesnar, I'd like to have some of whatever you're smoking. If they didn't make him the top guy during his 2012 run, they would not make him the next top guy by having him beat the guy who beat the Streak. That spot is going to the guy who is supposed to take over and, even if Punk played his cards right, the WWE never saw him as that person. Given of how much the fans love CM Punk, the WWE would be foolish not to seize the opportunity and grand CM Punk the chance to headline WrestleMania. I can see $$$ signs on a Brock Lesnar/CM Punk match. The WWE can't afford to mistreat their top guys. It is no secret the WWE did in fact, mistreat CM Punk. I can't revere his 434-day reign as the WWE Champion. He was booked like **** and had to play second fiddle to John Cena. The WWE "cries" because they don't have a lot of top level guys. Not knowing they should place the blame on themselves. I can see why Punk is angry at the machine. Punk did his part to make a name for himself. The machine that made him work for it didn't give anything back to him. Makes anybody wonder why Punk was losing his passion during his 434-day reign as champion. |
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