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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 2, 2014 13:09:19 GMT -5
I hate Ryback, but him and Reigns both have charisma. They do? I prefer Cesaro to both, but they've both connected with the crowd in a way that he hasn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 13:11:23 GMT -5
I prefer Cesaro to both, but they've both connected with the crowd in a way that he hasn't. It's hard to connect with the crowd when you dont get an opportunity. Cesaro's stock was never higher than after Wrestlemania and they shut him down. And the crowd was behind him when he was the king of swing. Vince for whatever reason doesn't want him to find success. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 13:12:57 GMT -5
I hate Ryback, but him and Reigns both have charisma. They do? Yes. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 2, 2014 13:14:32 GMT -5
I prefer Cesaro to both, but they've both connected with the crowd in a way that he hasn't. It's hard to connect with the crowd when you dont get an opportunity. Cesaro's stock was never higher than after Wrestlemania and they shut him down. And the crowd was behind him when he was the king of swing. Vince for whatever reason doesn't want him to find success. Sure, it's a conspiracy. He was over with the WrestleMania crowd for about a week. If the momentum would have carried over to other cities, we'll never know. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 13:14:44 GMT -5
I prefer Cesaro to both, but they've both connected with the crowd in a way that he hasn't. It's hard to connect with the crowd when you dont get an opportunity. Cesaro's stock was never higher than after Wrestlemania and they shut him down. And the crowd was behind him when he was the king of swing. Vince for whatever reason doesn't want him to find success. He was over for two or three weeks. He's given a chance to connect whenever he goes out to the ring. Reigns and Ryback make a nearly instant connection. Cesaro hasn't been able to since his debut. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 13:15:45 GMT -5
Ryback doesn't have charisma. He's over because of his look and move set.
Just like Cesaro was once. It's no different.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 13:17:03 GMT -5
Ryback doesn't have charisma. He's over because of his look and move set. Just like Cesaro was once. It's no different. Ryback connects with the crowd. He's genuinely over. Cesaro never was for more than two weeks. |
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Post by TX on Dec 2, 2014 13:22:16 GMT -5
Great watch. Vinnie Mac saying he owns the Network and extending it by 15 minutes was  ing awesome! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 13:22:56 GMT -5
Ryback doesn't have charisma. He's over because of his look and move set. Just like Cesaro was once. It's no different. Ryback connects with the crowd. He's genuinely over. Cesaro never was for more than two weeks. Sure. If the crowd chanting for "Goldberg" who hasn't had a match in 10 years is connecting with the crowd then you're correct. Again, Ryback has never had an alleged connection with the crowd for anything he has said or charisma he's shown. The "connection" was through his look, move set and initial push which flopped and WWE is attempting to slowly restart. If there was a real connection then his last push wouldn't have flopped and he wouldn't have been losing matches on Superstars and Main Event in a nothing tag team with Curtis Axel. Basically, Cesaro now is where Ryback was a few months ago. They were both over, started to get pushed, flopped, got moved down the card. It's no different. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 13:26:56 GMT -5
Ryback connects with the crowd. He's genuinely over. Cesaro never was for more than two weeks. Sure. If the crowd chanting for "Goldberg" who hasn't had a match in 10 years is connecting with the crowd then you're correct. Again, Ryback has never had an alleged connection with the crowd for anything he has said or charisma he's shown. The "connection" was through his look, move set and initial push which flopped and WWE is attempting to slowly restart. If there was a real connection then his last push wouldn't have flopped and he wouldn't have been losing matches on Superstars and Main Event in a nothing tag team with Curtis Axel. Basically, Cesaro now is where Ryback was a few months ago. They were both over, started to get pushed, flopped, got moved down the card. It's no different. You do realize even when he was in the jobber tag team he still got huge pops and the "feed me more" chants, right? Cesaro's biggest pops were at Wrestlemania, and the following Raw. You can't judge how over somebody is by those two crowds. I love Cesaro, and I hate Ryback, but there's no question Ryback is far more over than Cesaro. It's completely different. I wish it were reversed, with Cesaro getting big reactions and Ryback getting the crapend of the stick, but it's not. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Dec 2, 2014 13:29:19 GMT -5
Austin asked the best question ever and McMahon ducked it like the plague. Are you in-tune with the WWE Universe, how in-tune are you with the WWE Universe? He avoided it TWICE. I really think if he listened to his audience, as he claims, the product would be vastly different, for better or worse. I do agree with Vince though on setting up the story for a match. Problem is, he understands that philosophy but it's not executed, seemingly ever haha. He named the 4 guys that I think we all know. Ambrose, Rollins, Reigns, and Bray Wyatt. I would have liked to hear Ziggler's name there but then Vince doesn't want to talk about the guys who kill it every night and still don't get elevated. Now, that's been different as of late, out of necessity, but I think Vince is flat out lying. I think Austin nailed it that guys are in fear of losing their job and aren't willing to gamble. I thought Vince was spot-on with his criticism of Cesaro. Austin was right though that they ed up by turning him heel and putting him with Heyman. Creatively, less is more. Too many cooks in the kitchen. It's why the product is uninspired and there are only one or two good, or not, angles going on at any given time. The writing is by far the weakest area of the product, and has been for some time. A+++++ for what Vince said about Punk. I think Vince genuinely cares about Punk. If he doesn't, he put on a helluva front. Punk needs to put his guns down before it's too late and only Stephanie and Triple H are left to run the Empire. Whether he wrestles ever again or not he needs to talk to Vince imo. Vince is totally wrong about Brock. He's been wrong about Brock since WrestleMania. Agree less is more, but not when he's your champion and absent for months at a time. It should be about the title, and chasing down that ultimate prize. Sting at WrestleMania! I don't think that was a question but at least confirmed. Fun listen. I do think Vince puts on a monster front and has his politics and gets complacent but he's the only game in town. There needs to be a part 2 to this for sure. I am glad to hear Vince is happy with his day-to-day stuff. That's pretty wild after all these years, but then life is more enjoyable when you stop to look around once in awhile. Losing Warrior, I think that was eye opening for Vince. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 13:43:24 GMT -5
You know what you could have done to help Cesaro? Had him and Kidd won 2 hours earlier instead of the god damn USOS.. That's what you could have done you shmuck ...Why? What sense does that make? Because then he's doing something that'll make people care about him again? Being in a feud for the tag team titles |
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Post by Tyler Black on Dec 2, 2014 13:47:16 GMT -5
I thought he was full of crap and delusional. Seemed genuine to me. I think some of you just like to bitch. Was nothing really special. The CM Punk stuff is the only thing really worth mentioning. How any true fan can walk away from that interview and feel that way is beyond me. My sentiments exactly. I thought Vince was very candid and honest. He touched a ton of subjects I never expected him to. He kept control of the interview and was just very honest IMO. I found it hilarious when they were telling Austin to wrap it up, and Vince goes "This is my network, and I want another 15 minutes." I wish they had another 3 hours I love these podcasts its such great inside knowledge of the business. It's great to hear he's behind Rollins, Reigns Ambrose, and Wyatt. A bit disappointing but true to hear that he thinks Cesaro has everything but "it". I mean hell Austin brought up TNA twice. IMO Vince hasn't lost a step, some of you just bitch to bitch at this point. Austin asked the best question ever and McMahon ducked it like the plague. Are you in-tune with the WWE Universe, how in-tune are you with the WWE Universe? He avoided it TWICE. I really think if he listened to his audience, as he claims, the product would be vastly different, for better or worse. I do agree with Vince though on setting up the story for a match. Problem is, he understands that philosophy but it's not executed, seemingly ever haha. He named the 4 guys that I think we all know. Ambrose, Rollins, Reigns, and Bray Wyatt. I would have liked to hear Ziggler's name there but then Vince doesn't want to talk about the guys who kill it every night and still don't get elevated. Now, that's been different as of late, out of necessity, but I think Vince is flat out lying. I think Austin nailed it that guys are in fear of losing their job and aren't willing to gamble. I thought Vince was spot-on with his criticism of Cesaro. Austin was right though that they ed up by turning him heel and putting him with Heyman. Creatively, less is more. Too many cooks in the kitchen. It's why the product is uninspired and there are only one or two good, or not, angles going on at any giving time. The writing is by far the weakest area of the product, and has been for some time. A+++++ for what Vince said about Punk. I think Vince genuinely cares about Punk. If he doesn't, he put on a helluva front. Punk needs to put his guns down before it's too late and only Stephanie and Triple H are left to run the Empire. Whether he wrestles ever again or not he needs to talk to Vince imo. Vince is totally wrong about Brock. He's been wrong about Brock since WrestleMania. Agree less is more, but not when he's your champion and absent for months at a time. It should be about the title, and chasing down that ultimate prize. Sting at WrestleMania! I don't think that was a question but at least confirmed.
Fun listen. I do think Vince puts on a monster front and has his politics and gets complacent but he's the only game in town. There needs to be a part 2 to this for sure. I am glad to hear Vince is happy with his day-to-day stuff. That's pretty wild after all these years, but then life is more enjoyable when you stop to look around once in awhile. Losing Warrior, I think that was eye opening for Vince. I agree with you on just about everything, but I think you misunderstood Vince, he said Don't expect Sting at Mania... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 13:52:42 GMT -5
I hope Punk does come back. Even if it's not wrestling. Like I've said, I'll take him on commentary.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 2, 2014 13:53:41 GMT -5
...Why? What sense does that make? Because then he's doing something that'll make people care about him again? Being in a feud for the tag team titles Lol. Just like all that caring people did when he was being in a feud for the US and IC titles a couple of months ago? |
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Post by WWE Common Terry on Dec 2, 2014 13:55:11 GMT -5
I think Vince is a good guy. He wants what he wants and who wouldn't? The fact that he's remained in business and continues to rake in money in a time when cable channels are suffering is all the proof he needs that he is in touch. Unfortunately success does not always equal entertainment.
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Post by rustyy on Dec 2, 2014 13:56:57 GMT -5
He's proved to me he has no idea what he's doing anymore, it's not just dirtsheet BS. Can't wait till he steps down and the company either dies or thrives. So you'd rather the company die than continue to be run by Vince? I'd prefer it to get better, but if I'm being honest with myself I don't believe for a second that Triple H can run it successfully and wouldn't be surprised if it went under. I hope Punk does come back. Even if it's not wrestling. Like I've said, I'll take him on commentary. Then Vince better make that call before it's too late and Trips takes over. Because once Trips is in charge, Punk will never be back. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 14:05:04 GMT -5
Seemed genuine to me. I think some of you just like to bitch. How any true fan can walk away from that interview and feel that way is beyond me. My sentiments exactly. I thought Vince was very candid and honest. He touched a ton of subjects I never expected him to. He kept control of the interview and was just very honest IMO. I found it hilarious when they were telling Austin to wrap it up, and Vince goes "This is my network, and I want another 15 minutes." I wish they had another 3 hours I love these podcasts its such great inside knowledge of the business. It's great to hear he's behind Rollins, Reigns Ambrose, and Wyatt. A bit disappointing but true to hear that he thinks Cesaro has everything but "it". I mean hell Austin brought up TNA twice. IMO Vince hasn't lost a step, some of you just bitch to bitch at this point. Austin asked the best question ever and McMahon ducked it like the plague. Are you in-tune with the WWE Universe, how in-tune are you with the WWE Universe? He avoided it TWICE. I really think if he listened to his audience, as he claims, the product would be vastly different, for better or worse. I do agree with Vince though on setting up the story for a match. Problem is, he understands that philosophy but it's not executed, seemingly ever haha. He named the 4 guys that I think we all know. Ambrose, Rollins, Reigns, and Bray Wyatt. I would have liked to hear Ziggler's name there but then Vince doesn't want to talk about the guys who kill it every night and still don't get elevated. Now, that's been different as of late, out of necessity, but I think Vince is flat out lying. I think Austin nailed it that guys are in fear of losing their job and aren't willing to gamble. I thought Vince was spot-on with his criticism of Cesaro. Austin was right though that they ed up by turning him heel and putting him with Heyman. Creatively, less is more. Too many cooks in the kitchen. It's why the product is uninspired and there are only one or two good, or not, angles going on at any giving time. The writing is by far the weakest area of the product, and has been for some time. A+++++ for what Vince said about Punk. I think Vince genuinely cares about Punk. If he doesn't, he put on a helluva front. Punk needs to put his guns down before it's too late and only Stephanie and Triple H are left to run the Empire. Whether he wrestles ever again or not he needs to talk to Vince imo. Vince is totally wrong about Brock. He's been wrong about Brock since WrestleMania. Agree less is more, but not when he's your champion and absent for months at a time. It should be about the title, and chasing down that ultimate prize. Sting at WrestleMania! I don't think that was a question but at least confirmed.
Fun listen. I do think Vince puts on a monster front and has his politics and gets complacent but he's the only game in town. There needs to be a part 2 to this for sure. I am glad to hear Vince is happy with his day-to-day stuff. That's pretty wild after all these years, but then life is more enjoyable when you stop to look around once in awhile. Losing Warrior, I think that was eye opening for Vince. I agree with you on just about everything, but I think you misunderstood Vince, he said Don't expect Sting at Mania... Vince hasn't lost a step? |
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Post by Word™ on Dec 2, 2014 14:15:39 GMT -5
Cesaro's momentum was absolutely ruined by the WWE Creative team.. Anyone who didn't see them systematically change everything that made him over is lying.
You guys say he was over for 2 weeks following Wrestlemania? That's how I remember it too.. He went from being a face with a catchy entrance theme and gimmick, to being a heel with a sh*tty entrance theme, and no gimmick.. WITHIN TWO WEEKS.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 2, 2014 14:20:12 GMT -5
Cesaro's momentum was absolutely ruined by the WWE Creative team.. Anyone who didn't see them systematically change everything that made him over is lying. You guys say he was over for 2 weeks following Wrestlemania? That's how I remember it too.. He went from being a face with a catchy entrance theme and gimmick, to being a heel with a sh*tty entrance theme, and no gimmick.. WITHIN TWO WEEKS. His catchy theme was Jack Swagger's. Once he turned face, he needed a new theme. Also, what was his gimmick? Because he went from Real American, which he couldn't be after turning face, to Paul Heyman guy instantly. |
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