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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 31, 2014 17:33:33 GMT -5
I know you're new here, and this probably doesn't matter to you, nor should it...but from what I've seen so far, I really don't like you. You come off as a standoffish know it all, who puts down the people who don't agree with his opinion. Your words aren't gospel, have a conversation without telling people to "stfu." It would be much appreciated. In his defense Chip told everyone to "stfu" about people who say Bryan not being a threat to Lesnar... and saying the arguement is closed by himself.... yeah.... So.... Anyways I like Bryan. Will I come on here screaming and crying if he faces Brock and wins? No. It will be a good match and as people said earlier if told correctly it could be great. If WWE really are in the reality era and want to build up a NEW star, not an established one, I rather see Rollins, Reigns, or Ambrose take down Brock instead of a man who wrestling in this match could be a threat to his in ring career and his life after wrestling. Now if Bryan can go for it, sure, but it is still a risk. Fair enough. It goes to other threads too. I dont like him from what I've read. Just my take. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 17:37:20 GMT -5
In his defense Chip told everyone to "stfu" about people who say Bryan not being a threat to Lesnar... and saying the arguement is closed by himself.... yeah.... So.... Anyways I like Bryan. Will I come on here screaming and crying if he faces Brock and wins? No. It will be a good match and as people said earlier if told correctly it could be great. If WWE really are in the reality era and want to build up a NEW star, not an established one, I rather see Rollins, Reigns, or Ambrose take down Brock instead of a man who wrestling in this match could be a threat to his in ring career and his life after wrestling. Now if Bryan can go for it, sure, but it is still a risk. Fair enough. It goes to other threads too. I dont like him from what I've read. Just my take. I have noticed that with others as well. I hope I do not come off as that way. The only thing everybody should agree on, and I have said this before, is that Bryan is healthy and we get to see one of the best wrestlers in the world still compete and entertain us week to week. |
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Post by Chip on Dec 31, 2014 17:40:58 GMT -5
bullshit
people are acting like Bryan isn't a legitimate THREAT to Lesnar....because "how could a midget beat a monster"
im tired of reading it, its complete horse shit. this is professional wrestling. its never been REAL.
just because a guy was in the UFC now he's supposed to just win every match and ONLY lose to some "young guy" thats ridiculous.
Eddie Guerrero beat Brock when Brock was supposed to be the face of the company.
Bryan is bigger than Eddie
Bryan could beat Brock....so that argument is completely invalid now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 17:46:13 GMT -5
bullshit people are acting like Bryan isn't a legitimate THREAT to Lesnar....because "how could a midget beat a monster" im tired of reading it, its complete horse crap. this is professional wrestling. its never been REAL. just because a guy was in the UFC now he's supposed to just win every match and ONLY lose to some "young guy" thats ridiculous. Eddie Guerrero beat Brock when Brock was supposed to be the face of the company. Bryan is bigger than Eddie Bryan could beat Brock....so that argument is completely invalid now. I look forward to reading your comments after the royal rumble. Whether Bryan wins it or lose it they will be very passionate. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 17:47:52 GMT -5
bullshit people are acting like Bryan isn't a legitimate THREAT to Lesnar....because "how could a midget beat a monster" im tired of reading it, its complete horse crap. this is professional wrestling. its never been REAL. just because a guy was in the UFC now he's supposed to just win every match and ONLY lose to some "young guy" thats ridiculous. Eddie Guerrero beat Brock when Brock was supposed to be the face of the company. Bryan is bigger than Eddie Bryan could beat Brock....so that argument is completely invalid now. You're just getting annoying honestly. Eddie beat Brock, yes, but it wasn't clean. If it had been a clean finish, you'd have a point. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 17:48:00 GMT -5
Prior to UFC.. Post UFC... Big difference. People remember him being UFC undisputed heavyweight champion.. So before you say people need to stfu how about you use a little common sense. Oh yeah. Goldberg interfered too I know you're new here, and this probably doesn't matter to you, nor should it...but from what I've seen so far, I really don't like you. You come off as a standoffish know it all, who puts down the people who don't agree with his opinion. Your words aren't gospel, have a conversation without telling people to "stfu." It would be much appreciated. So you ironically accuse me of doing things that you, as well as a many of members here do. Okay. It's duly noted. |
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Post by Starscream on Dec 31, 2014 17:48:45 GMT -5
Have people even seem Daniel Bryan's work? The guy had matches with freaking Takeshi Morishima, someone who in real life would kill Daniel, but he made the match believable, made it entertaining. That's what it's all about. His ROH work has literally zero to do with his WWE standing kayfabe wise. Not one bit. No one is denying the match would be good, it's the logic behind it. It makes no sense to take Bryan, who just recovered from an injury that easily could have ended his career, and stepping in to face a guy like Brock in a match that is undoubtedly going to be hard hitting. There's legit reason for concern throwing Bryan into the match after only just recovering. Not to mention, yes, Bryan beat HHH and Cena cleanly. Fine, say what you want, but kayfabe wise, why would he stand a chance against a guy like Brock who attacks with brute force and has seemingly unlimited stamina? It doesn't make sense. It also doesn't make sense to have Bryan beat Lesnar. Bryan is already a star, and beating Brock would be a HUGE deal and make a star almost instantly. There is no reason, absolutely no reason whatsoever to waste it on Bryan. And I'm a big Daniel Bryan fan, but it's not something that should happen this year. I never said "well he beat Morishima so he should beat Lesnar yay", read again, he can make the match look believable, guy who just recovered from an injury that almost ended his carrer, challenging the beast that broke the streak huh? where did I watched those kind of storylines? oh yeah, WWE, it's entertainment. Guy overcoming the odds, sounds familiar? It sells. I have no problem if someone else beats Lesnar in the main event but to say " Daniel vs Lesnar? ummm logic! wheres the logic!!?" its just laughable, its like suddenly you forgot you are watching wrestling. |
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Post by Planktung on Dec 31, 2014 17:52:47 GMT -5
Was there this much disdain for WrestleMania XXX's booking? Daniel Bryan went into the event with an injured shoulder and defeated Triple H, a guy who, if we're going by things such as believability and logic that really don't exist in professional wrestling, should have destroyed him. Afterwards, Hunter attacked Bryan and further damaged his shoulder. Bryan went into the main event in a worse condition against Randy Orton and Batista, two guys who, again, should have destroyed him according to the logic of some people here. Bryan was double-teamed and put through a table, hurt to the point where he was placed on a stretcher. He came back into the match, overcame Triple H's interference and forced Batista, someone MUCH larger than him, to submit.
He can beat Brock Lesnar just fine.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 17:53:54 GMT -5
His ROH work has literally zero to do with his WWE standing kayfabe wise. Not one bit. No one is denying the match would be good, it's the logic behind it. It makes no sense to take Bryan, who just recovered from an injury that easily could have ended his career, and stepping in to face a guy like Brock in a match that is undoubtedly going to be hard hitting. There's legit reason for concern throwing Bryan into the match after only just recovering. Not to mention, yes, Bryan beat HHH and Cena cleanly. Fine, say what you want, but kayfabe wise, why would he stand a chance against a guy like Brock who attacks with brute force and has seemingly unlimited stamina? It doesn't make sense. It also doesn't make sense to have Bryan beat Lesnar. Bryan is already a star, and beating Brock would be a HUGE deal and make a star almost instantly. There is no reason, absolutely no reason whatsoever to waste it on Bryan. And I'm a big Daniel Bryan fan, but it's not something that should happen this year. I never said "well he beat Morishima so he should beat Lesnar yay", read again, he can make the match look believable, guy who just recovered from an injury that almost ended his carrer, challenging the beast that broke the streak huh? where did I watched those kind of storylines? oh yeah, WWE, it's entertainment. Guy overcoming the odds, sounds familiar? It sells. I have no problem if someone else beats Lesnar in the main event but to say " Daniel vs Lesnar? ummm logic! wheres the logic!!?" its just laughable, its like suddenly you forgot you are watching wrestling. I think you missed the entire point of my post. But to help you understand, yes, there needs to be logic in storylines. Kayfabe logic, but still logic. How exactly can Bryan be built to be a threat to Lesnar? If between Rumble and Mania you have him go over, say, Rusev, Reigns, Show and Cena all cleanly, sure, he can be built as a threat. Is that going to happen? More than likely no. Yes, that angle has been done to death, but you seem to be forget Brock's style, especially with those Germans he's throwing pretty recklessly, can re-aggravate an injury that nobody knows how it's going to be when Bryan starts wrestling again. I guarantee nobody will know until after the Rumble at the very least. So no, Lesnar vs Bryan does not make sense RIGHT NOW. Please go back and read my post. I'm all for Lesnar/Bryan if the time is right. It's not. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 31, 2014 18:02:58 GMT -5
Was there this much disdain for WrestleMania XXX's booking? Daniel Bryan went into the event with an injured shoulder and defeated Triple H, a guy who, if we're going by things such as believability and logic that really don't exist in professional wrestling, should have destroyed him. Afterwards, Hunter attacked Bryan and further damaged his shoulder. Bryan went into the main event in a worse condition against Randy Orton and Batista, two guys who, again, should have destroyed him according to the logic of some people here. Bryan was double-teamed and put through a table, hurt to the point where he was placed on a stretcher. He came back into the match, overcame Triple H's interference and forced Batista, someone MUCH larger than him, to submit. He can beat Brock Lesnar just fine. We have a winner. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 18:15:55 GMT -5
Was there this much disdain for WrestleMania XXX's booking? Daniel Bryan went into the event with an injured shoulder and defeated Triple H, a guy who, if we're going by things such as believability and logic that really don't exist in professional wrestling, should have destroyed him. Afterwards, Hunter attacked Bryan and further damaged his shoulder. Bryan went into the main event in a worse condition against Randy Orton and Batista, two guys who, again, should have destroyed him according to the logic of some people here. Bryan was double-teamed and put through a table, hurt to the point where he was placed on a stretcher. He came back into the match, overcame Triple H's interference and forced Batista, someone MUCH larger than him, to submit. He can beat Brock Lesnar just fine. Randy Orton was HANDED, pretty much literally, handed the title. Brock earned it by DESTROYING Cena. Batista quit WWE, fought one MMA match, filmed some movies, then decided hey I wanna wrestle again. Brock Lesnar quit WWE, tried football, did great in UFC where he trained nonstop, then came back to WWE to destroy Cena only to lose, destroy HHH only to lose due to HHH ego, then destroyed Cena again to win and destroyed Undertaker. We are comparing apples and oranges. These two scenarios take place at two very different times kayfabe wise. Was Orton, Batista, HHH booked as strong as Lesnar, NO! NO! NO! If you want we can bring up Daniel Bryan's loss at Mania in 18 seconds. No point in going back in time to argue matches. Look at the present. Daniel Bryan is coming off of surgery, Brock Lesnar is coming off of two wins over John Cena. |
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Post by Boy Wonder on Dec 31, 2014 18:45:18 GMT -5
At this point, anything less than the company's biggest face going against the biggest heel, will be a disappointment. And that's Bryan and Lesnar.
Lesnar would physically destroy everyone in the locker room, Bryan beating him is just as realistic as Cena beating him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 21:06:24 GMT -5
If Bryan does face Brock I would want Undertaker to run interference whether it be just his music playing, him watching at ringside, or preferably getting in the ring and attacking Brock after Heyman runs interference for Brock. It could give Bryan the advantage and would be just enough to distract Brock for Bryan to get back into the fight and win. That would be way more believable than Bryan pinning Brock clean. Even with Taker running interference I still would take Brock to win over Bryan though so.... Having interference in your main event Mania title match unless it involves the face overcoming it, which is insane in this case since Bryan already has a massive mountain in Brock, is a terrible idea. No way that would work and with Brock winning in a cheap manner, with interference against AND for him, is overbooked and the crowd would be all over that. On the main topic, I think there's a possibility last night was a test to see if the crowd would still be into Bryan. If they were, there'd at least be consideration that he will win the rumble. I believe he passed with flying colors. Should be interesting. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 21:26:33 GMT -5
If Bryan does face Brock I would want Undertaker to run interference whether it be just his music playing, him watching at ringside, or preferably getting in the ring and attacking Brock after Heyman runs interference for Brock. It could give Bryan the advantage and would be just enough to distract Brock for Bryan to get back into the fight and win. That would be way more believable than Bryan pinning Brock clean. Even with Taker running interference I still would take Brock to win over Bryan though so.... Having interference in your main event Mania title match unless it involves the face overcoming it, which is insane in this case since Bryan already has a massive mountain in Brock, is a terrible idea. No way that would work and with Brock winning in a cheap manner, with interference against AND for him, is overbooked and the crowd would be all over that. On the main topic, I think there's a possibility last night was a test to see if the crowd would still be into Bryan. If they were, there'd at least be consideration that he will win the rumble. I believe he passed with flying colors. Should be interesting. I never said Brock would win. What I was saying was that Heyman would try to cost Bryan the match somehow and then Taker would run down or do something to save the match for Bryan and he would win, that would be somewhat believable. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 21:32:49 GMT -5
Having interference in your main event Mania title match unless it involves the face overcoming it, which is insane in this case since Bryan already has a massive mountain in Brock, is a terrible idea. No way that would work and with Brock winning in a cheap manner, with interference against AND for him, is overbooked and the crowd would be all over that. On the main topic, I think there's a possibility last night was a test to see if the crowd would still be into Bryan. If they were, there'd at least be consideration that he will win the rumble. I believe he passed with flying colors. Should be interesting. I never said Brock would win. What I was saying was that Heyman would try to cost Bryan the match somehow and then Taker would run down or do something to save the match for Bryan and he would win, that would be somewhat believable. Ah, alright. I saw what you would say you'd do with it and thought that's what you said would happen. My bad mate.  IMO, as long as it's somewhat within reason, so not someone like Hornswoggle over Lesnar, I'd say it could work. Bryan would be, to me, within reason. Bonafide main eventer, already established as a guy that can overcome odds (Wrestlemania 30), beat monsters (Kane, Big Show, Henry, though so has Brock), and has well documented mat skills. I'd love for Bryan to knock off Lesnar. If it's done well enough, nearly anything can be booked. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 21:41:11 GMT -5
According to reports, Bryan isn't winning the Rumble.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 22:21:07 GMT -5
I never said Brock would win. What I was saying was that Heyman would try to cost Bryan the match somehow and then Taker would run down or do something to save the match for Bryan and he would win, that would be somewhat believable. Ah, alright. I saw what you would say you'd do with it and thought that's what you said would happen. My bad mate. IMO, as long as it's somewhat within reason, so not someone like Hornswoggle over Lesnar, I'd say it could work. Bryan would be, to me, within reason. Bonafide main eventer, already established as a guy that can overcome odds (Wrestlemania 30), beat monsters (Kane, Big Show, Henry, though so has Brock), and has well documented mat skills. I'd love for Bryan to knock off Lesnar. If it's done well enough, nearly anything can be booked. Yup. |
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Post by johnnyb on Jan 1, 2015 15:11:31 GMT -5
Yay, what a great discussion about what is believable in fake wrestling! I hope this continues forever! Oh and by the way,  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2015 8:45:45 GMT -5
all this talk about Bryan beating Brock not being believable is bullshit. when you some one dressed in a bunny suit winning matches. Or when you had Santino Marella winning matches with a  ing sock puppet. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jan 2, 2015 11:00:45 GMT -5
all this talk about Bryan beating Brock not being believable is bullshit. when you some one dressed in a bunny suit winning matches. Or when you had Santino Marella winning matches with a ing sock puppet. So by the same token, anyone complaining about someone dressed in a bunny suit winning matches or Santino using a sock puppet must care lots about things being "believable" and thus not want to see Bryan vs Brock. Sorry 'bout your logic. |
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