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Post by D.B.K. on Jul 31, 2015 8:15:16 GMT -5
the head looks a little bit too big - IMO, well it doesn't matter....I'll be buying all the ROH figs anyway!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 8:34:36 GMT -5
That is an awesome figure.....and I do not think the head looks too big at all (and I am particular about proportion). Michael Elgin is a big guy and the figure is accurate to his head/body proportion. I LIKE it! That figure is mine. I hope that Jay Briscoe comes with a vinyl/leather cut sleeved jacket and head band. Line is off to a great start!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 8:37:59 GMT -5
@ftchris I am very impressed with the overall look of the Elgin figure, the cloth jacket looks particularly nice quality. BUT... the head is oversized. And please don't try to tell me it isn't. I know RA figures like the back of my hand, I have hundreds of them in display in my house. Judging the head size against the body WITHOUT the cloth accessories, it is most definetely too big. You need to address this issue NOW, before the problem becomes common in the lines. Please don't go down the Jakks road of not noticing or caring when heads are too big. Just fix the head sizes and these will be great. That is an awesome figure.....and I do not think the head looks too big at all (and I am particular about proportion). Michael Elgin is a big guy and the figure is accurate to his head/body proportion. I LIKE it! That figure is mine. I hope that Jay Briscoe comes with a vinyl/leather cut sleeved jacket and head band. Line is off to a great start! I disagree.....Head is not too big. Elgin is a bigger guy, and actually has kind of a big head. For a guy like him, this is the right proportion. A guy like Jay Briscoe would have a head that is a bit smaller. |
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Post by the franchise on Jul 31, 2015 8:42:38 GMT -5
A few bullet points to follow up: Yes, a ROH ring is coming. It will be based on our previously released ring, but with ROH detailing and accessories including ROH barricades packaged with it. I'm not going to go in depth on every post, because everything here is subjective. Some will love, some will hate. What one might think should be done, another will say leave it as is. That's what makes the world spin. The fact is that we chose the RA style bodies because to this date, JAKKS has THE most extensive roster of characters released, and we wanted to capitalize on that. We will not be changing the body types. They are what they are. We will not be doing Mattel/Toy Biz/DA/Elite style bodies. It's going to be RA style for all the lines, for all the bodies. We DO have additional parts and molds in production. You'll see the variety we have at our disposal as more figures are released. The simple truth is that we are working within our means and our resources to create some cool figures and bring something new to the table. Elgin is just the beginning. The ROH, Rising Stars, and Legends figures will all be some of the most detailed figures in recent memory. @ftchris - can you please address the oversized head issue. Several people have mentioned that the head is oversized, you can't just brush off ALL criticisms by saying "some will love, some will hate". RA collectors know if a head is too big or not. If you have any doubt, put the Elgin proto (without the entrance jacket) next to some early Jakks RA figures and judge for yourself. I get that I'm raining on your parade and critical comments from obsessive fans like me are not pleasant to deal with. But I am passionate about wrestling figures and I'm trying to help you guys make the figures better. I'm trying to be respectful in my comments, but that doesn't mean I am going to pretend that this figure is perfect when it isn't. This line is supposed to be aimed at RA collectors, so why not try and make them as good as they can be? They're already good, why not make them great? Again, please don't go down the Jakks road of not noticing or caring when heads are oversized. Look how much better it could be:  If Elgin for some reason came with a balloon people would buy the figure right away. No doubt about that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 8:44:20 GMT -5
Hey FTChris, I'm so glad that FTC & RSC finally came to an agreement where the WFigs community can actually talk openly about the ROH/Indy lines. It's also super cool that you're being as open as you are about the line and you're answering questions. Can you explain why you guys decided to go with RA molds? And not DA molds or creating your own new ones? My favorite lines have been Mattel's Elite & Marvel's TNA line because of the articulation they offer. When I set my figures up, I want to be able to set them up in complicated poses. I've never cared for JAKKS RA molds because they're not in scale, they're very limited in what poses you can set up and by the end of the TNA line, JAKKS phoned in lines of repaints. I don't like the idea that in the future a ROH line will have Dalton Castle, Dijack & ACH all being the same size. The Elgin figure looks very good for a RA figure. The cloth accessories are really cool, it shows that you guys want to make quality figures for your customers. But, the head is too big and I hope that doesn't continue with the rest of the line because any ROH/Indy figs I buy, will ultimately be just so I can swap the head onto an Elite body. I don't understand why people like RA, but to each their own. I'm happy that so many ppl here are excited to buy the ROH line. I'm let down because now that I've seen what the finished product is. I most likely won't be purchasing any since they won't fit into my current collection. And that really sucks since the Indy line will produce guys that I've wanted for years but won't buy because they dont fit my need. I hope down the line you guys try new bodies that offer more articulation, and have some kind of scale. I'm not looking for Elite bodies, but something similar would be amazing. Any chance you guys will make some kind of ROH entrance stage or a Build-an-entrance stage? offering options so we can all have unique setups? FTChris, I don't mean to be so negative. Its great that ROH has a line, it's great that there's an Indy line on it's way. And it's great that I see how excited other people here are for the FTC lines. Here's why.....when Jakks did a poll of whether collectors preferred RA or DA style for the TNA line, the overwhelming majority chose RA style. Jakks went against what collectors wanted (because retailers told them they wanted DA style with points of articulation) and the line FAILED miserably. I think DAs were horrible, all were the same size and the belly cracks and weird legs/arms. |
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Post by The Assassin on Jul 31, 2015 8:49:05 GMT -5
That is an awesome figure.....and I do not think the head looks too big at all (and I am particular about proportion). Michael Elgin is a big guy and the figure is accurate to his head/body proportion. I LIKE it! That figure is mine. I hope that Jay Briscoe comes with a vinyl/leather cut sleeved jacket and head band. Line is off to a great start! I disagree.....Head is not too big. Elgin is a bigger guy, and actually has kind of a big head. For a guy like him, this is the right proportion. A guy like Jay Briscoe would have a head that is a bit smaller. Did you not see the side-by-side reference pic? Figure on left is the original, figure on the right is photoshopped smaller: Please explain to me how the original head can possibly be correctly sized when I have provided photographic proof that it is not. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 8:50:21 GMT -5
A few bullet points to follow up: Yes, a ROH ring is coming. It will be based on our previously released ring, but with ROH detailing and accessories including ROH barricades packaged with it. I'm not going to go in depth on every post, because everything here is subjective. Some will love, some will hate. What one might think should be done, another will say leave it as is. That's what makes the world spin. The fact is that we chose the RA style bodies because to this date, JAKKS has THE most extensive roster of characters released, and we wanted to capitalize on that. We will not be changing the body types. They are what they are. We will not be doing Mattel/Toy Biz/DA/Elite style bodies. It's going to be RA style for all the lines, for all the bodies. We DO have additional parts and molds in production. You'll see the variety we have at our disposal as more figures are released. The simple truth is that we are working within our means and our resources to create some cool figures and bring something new to the table. Elgin is just the beginning. The ROH, Rising Stars, and Legends figures will all be some of the most detailed figures in recent memory. I am looking forward to it Chris. I hope at some point you will have a few giants in the line....and have access to the Giant Gonzalas body/type mold. Perhaps to make a Giant Silva legends figure or indy line Giant Pharaoh. The cool thing about those figures were that they towered over the others. |
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Post by micco on Jul 31, 2015 9:04:05 GMT -5
@ftchris I am very impressed with the overall look of the Elgin figure, the cloth jacket looks particularly nice quality. BUT... the head is oversized. And please don't try to tell me it isn't. I know RA figures like the back of my hand, I have hundreds of them in display in my house. Judging the head size against the body WITHOUT the cloth accessories, it is most definetely too big. You need to address this issue NOW, before the problem becomes common in the lines. Please don't go down the Jakks road of not noticing or caring when heads are too big. Just fix the head sizes and these will be great. That is an awesome figure.....and I do not think the head looks too big at all (and I am particular about proportion). Michael Elgin is a big guy and the figure is accurate to his head/body proportion. I LIKE it! That figure is mine. I hope that Jay Briscoe comes with a vinyl/leather cut sleeved jacket and head band. Line is off to a great start! I disagree.....Head is not too big. Elgin is a bigger guy, and actually has kind of a big head. For a guy like him, this is the right proportion. A guy like Jay Briscoe would have a head that is a bit smaller. The width of his head is not in correct proportion to the width of his shoulders. The width of his shoulders should be equal to the width of his head times three. As it stands now, the width of the figures head times 2.5 equals the width of the figures shoulders. I literally just measured it. So, you must not be that particular about proportion because this was noticeable to me before I even broke out the ruler. |
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Post by derekbrazen on Jul 31, 2015 10:55:46 GMT -5
Hey FTChris, I'm so glad that FTC & RSC finally came to an agreement where the WFigs community can actually talk openly about the ROH/Indy lines. It's also super cool that you're being as open as you are about the line and you're answering questions. Can you explain why you guys decided to go with RA molds? And not DA molds or creating your own new ones? My favorite lines have been Mattel's Elite & Marvel's TNA line because of the articulation they offer. When I set my figures up, I want to be able to set them up in complicated poses. I've never cared for JAKKS RA molds because they're not in scale, they're very limited in what poses you can set up and by the end of the TNA line, JAKKS phoned in lines of repaints. I don't like the idea that in the future a ROH line will have Dalton Castle, Dijack & ACH all being the same size. The Elgin figure looks very good for a RA figure. The cloth accessories are really cool, it shows that you guys want to make quality figures for your customers. But, the head is too big and I hope that doesn't continue with the rest of the line because any ROH/Indy figs I buy, will ultimately be just so I can swap the head onto an Elite body. I don't understand why people like RA, but to each their own. I'm happy that so many ppl here are excited to buy the ROH line. I'm let down because now that I've seen what the finished product is. I most likely won't be purchasing any since they won't fit into my current collection. And that really sucks since the Indy line will produce guys that I've wanted for years but won't buy because they dont fit my need. I hope down the line you guys try new bodies that offer more articulation, and have some kind of scale. I'm not looking for Elite bodies, but something similar would be amazing. Any chance you guys will make some kind of ROH entrance stage or a Build-an-entrance stage? offering options so we can all have unique setups? FTChris, I don't mean to be so negative. Its great that ROH has a line, it's great that there's an Indy line on it's way. And it's great that I see how excited other people here are for the FTC lines. Here's why.....when Jakks did a poll of whether collectors preferred RA or DA style for the TNA line, the overwhelming majority chose RA style. Jakks went against what collectors wanted (because retailers told them they wanted DA style with points of articulation) and the line FAILED miserably. I think DAs were horrible, all were the same size and the belly cracks and weird legs/arms. Hey TomT, I don't wanna come off as a jerk, but my response might, but please don't take it as such. I'm pretty sure that I won't be purchasing many of the ROH/Indy figs. I'm very happy that someone is making MORE wrestling figs of NEW wrestlers that us fans have been dying to own for years. But, at the end of the day, articulation, pose-ability & scale are very important to me & I decide if I'm goin to spend my money on figures based on those factors. What year did JAKKS conduct this poll? How many people were polled? Do you think the TNA line failed because the figures were DA style? If JAKKS had made the TNA line 100% RA style, would they have sold significantly better? Since I don't collect RA, do they have scale? I know their are molds for Big Show, Abyss, Taker & Colin Delaney but, aren't most RA's the same mold? I collect women wrestlers and I'm pretty sure all my TNA Knockouts all the same mold with different heads. I don't mind it that much since they all have the stomach joint, allowing for more poses. I'm sure I'll buy every ROH/Indy woman they make if they use the JAKKS woman mold. I have issue with the thinking that just because JAKKS made a diverse line of WWE characters from 2003 until 2009, implies that the collector of 2015/2016 would still want RA bodies. JAKKS followed up their WWE line with a much more limited selection of TNA characters, several of who had already had JAKKS WWE versions previously. I don't understand why someone would build 2 new lines of figures the back of a 6 year old line that hadn't added much since 2009. I think Mattel has done a very good job with their Elite line, and I think more people would be more excited to see a ROH/Indy line in an Elite style and more likely to spend their money on them. If you like, enjoy & purchase figures from the ROH/Indy line, GOOD FOR YOU  I'll be happy that you are happy. We're all the HARDEST of the HARDCORE since we lurk and/or post on a wrestling figure forum. My question to anyone who will be buying these is; Would you NOT buy them if they were more similar to a Mattel Elite mold? Because, I WON'T be purchasing many of the ROH/Indy line BECAUSE they AREN'T similar to Mattel Elite. I think the ROH/Indy lines will suffer because of the decision to go with RA style. |
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Post by derekbrazen on Jul 31, 2015 11:00:11 GMT -5
That is an awesome figure.....and I do not think the head looks too big at all (and I am particular about proportion). Michael Elgin is a big guy and the figure is accurate to his head/body proportion. I LIKE it! That figure is mine. I hope that Jay Briscoe comes with a vinyl/leather cut sleeved jacket and head band. Line is off to a great start! I disagree.....Head is not too big. Elgin is a bigger guy, and actually has kind of a big head. For a guy like him, this is the right proportion. A guy like Jay Briscoe would have a head that is a bit smaller. Did you not see the side-by-side reference pic? Figure on left is the original, figure on the right is photoshopped smaller: Please explain to me how the original head can possibly be correctly sized when I have provided photographic proof that it is not. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. Maybe if you moved the real pic of Elgin in between the original and your Photoshopped one, more people would be better able to see how ridiculously big the original one looks. |
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Post by ddubs on Jul 31, 2015 11:02:27 GMT -5
There's been a lot of talk about the size of the head but I'd just like to offer some defence on it. Yes, the head is slightly oversized but if you are displaying MOC or with the jacket then it looks perfect so there wouldn't be a reason to criticise the size. It can be frustrating to see something that isn't perfect but I wouldn't judge the whole line on the evidence of one figure that, at the moment, hasn't been called a prototype or the finished article. There may be time to make changes but, as Chris said, the company is not huge - if this is the figure they go to market with then so be it. The head size will affect so few of us and if the boots worry you then swap them out with another RA.
This isn't a rant or a dig at anyone on here but I'm offering some perspective that perhaps Chris can't due to his involvement. I for one think it's great to have a figure out in the public domain and even better to have Chris on the board. I'd like to think that Chris knows we are the key market for these figures and will feedback all of the ideas and criticisms from here to help improve the figures so that they get better with time. I don't see Chris ignoring feedback from here when people have outright said I won't buy the figure because xyz - it's smart marketing to see what people have said and grow the line with that in mind.
I guess what I'm trying to say is; keep sharing your opinions on the figures, don't judge all of the figures if you don't like this one and understand that Chris may not be able to address some criticisms due to his position.
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Post by The Assassin on Jul 31, 2015 11:18:35 GMT -5
I appreciate your insights @ftchris. Please don't misunderstand, overall I am very impressed with the figures - just please remind your team to be careful with the head sizes.
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Post by micco on Jul 31, 2015 11:55:33 GMT -5
I appreciate Chris explaining why the decision was made to give him talk kick pads. It's terrible new to learn that they've only got that one boot mold but, looking on the bright side, there's nobody else they've announced so far that the tall kick pads could be less appropriate for than Elgin. So I'm not too worried.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Jul 31, 2015 12:42:32 GMT -5
Alright, my take on the Elgin proto. A few bullet points. I would have used this torso with standard trunks legs. Elgin is a pretty thick dude.  I love the entrance coat, it's phenomenal. These truly look like premium figures like Mattel's elite line. Head scan is solid, i was a little bummed that his hair is based on his completely buzzed head. Was hoping for some sculpted hair like in the ref pic you used. Meh, small detail i suppose. Facial likeness is pretty good, not as much of a homerun as Steen and Cole, but very suffice.  |
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Post by East Coast on Jul 31, 2015 12:56:27 GMT -5
seems odd to start the line with only having access to the kickpad mold.
that would make sense if ur first figures were ACH, Kaz, Kyle O'Reilly, Bobby Fish and Jay Lethal. All guys that wear kickpads.
but u chose to start w/ Elgin, Briscoes, Adam Cole and Kevin Owens...all ppl that don't wear kickpads. [Since there is a lot of softgoods in this line, couldn't you have chosen normal boot molds and made softgood kickpads to put over the boots?]
like...how are u going to make Moose?? Who wears the Batista style nike's
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Post by micco on Jul 31, 2015 13:11:10 GMT -5
seems odd to start the line with only having access to the kickpad mold. that would make sense if ur first figures were ACH, Kaz, Kyle O'Reilly, Bobby Fish and Jay Lethal. All guys that wear kickpads. but u chose to start w/ Elgin, Briscoes, Adam Cole and Kevin Owens...all ppl that don't wear kickpads. like...how are u going to make Moose?? Who wears the Batista style nike's Right, and in Elgin's case, literally any other jakks boots would have been preferable. It won't be as glaring an inaccuracy on someone like mark briscoe whose boots are at least tall. Yeah, he doesn't necessarily wear a kick pad but Elgin doesn't only not wear a kick pad, but his boots are also very short. Nothing we can do about it besides decide if it's a big enough flaw to prevent us from buying the figure. |
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Post by RWF on Jul 31, 2015 13:52:12 GMT -5
I find it funny that people used to crucify Jakks for using that boot mold, but it's okay now.
The head is oversized. Not the worst I've seen, but still should be corrected. FTC has an issue with their Mego revamp lines having heads that are too big too. Hope this can be corrected.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 31, 2015 15:08:51 GMT -5
I just don't like the boot choice.
After your response, I am kind of worried about part sepection. Was there a bid for Jakks parts from another company and you only own certain molds? Looking at figure inc. Build A Wrestler, the only boot option is tall kickpads. So, will every figure have Tall kickers until you sculpt or buy a proper boot mold?
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Post by Chip on Jul 31, 2015 15:12:15 GMT -5
cloth singlet
cloth entrance coat
sculpted head/face
> boot molds
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Post by tvmakesyougod on Jul 31, 2015 16:29:23 GMT -5
cloth singlet cloth entrance coat sculpted head/face > boot molds Agreed. |
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