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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 15:25:08 GMT -5
There are 5 men currently on the roster where it's gonna take a mircale to defeat. 1.John Cena-Because hes cena 2.Seth Rollins-Because he has the authority on his side and mostly cheats to win. 3.Daniel Bryan-The Most over babyface and puts up one hell of a fight. 4.Rusev-Like seth finds anyway to win either by cheating,countout,DQ or KO. 5.Brock lesnar-Easily dominated everyone in his path. Your gonna have to pull every thing you can to beat these guys which is why this win against bryan was so important.Not everyone can say they defeated these guys here. I don't think you're getting this. Yes, those guys are incredibly hard to defeat and for good reason. However, Roman Reigns is supposed to be the next big thing. If we are to view him as a legit threat to these guys, he shouldn't get lucky wins. He needs decisive ones because he is not just some guy who should get lucky. But the way he won last night was perfect I just Don't understand how people want him to win.It's confusing me because some pepole don't want him to win weak but they don't want him to win strong either I just Don't see How or why the way he won last night was bad.
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Post by J12 on Feb 23, 2015 15:29:08 GMT -5
Reigns had a mini-feud with Kane last summer where he was winning, but when did he ever get a clean win over Kane or Show since returning in December? Interference is hardly relevant here. The fact of the matter is that the new golden boy has been losing, or looking like a chump, against two of the company's longest standing jokes for the last three months. He defeated kane last week on raw and has defeated big show several times Figured I might as well just look this up... He beat Kane by count out. There is no weaker victory than a count out. He pinned Big Show once on Smackdown, and beat him by count out and DQ once or twice. Big Show has also pinned him. For what it's worth, since returning in December and until last night, Roman Reigns had earned a clean pinfall victory over Big Show, Fandango, and The Miz. ...That's it. I'm not joking. He pins them all the time at house shows, but obviously that doesn't matter.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 23, 2015 15:33:23 GMT -5
I don't think you're getting this. Yes, those guys are incredibly hard to defeat and for good reason. However, Roman Reigns is supposed to be the next big thing. If we are to view him as a legit threat to these guys, he shouldn't get lucky wins. He needs decisive ones because he is not just some guy who should get lucky. But the way he won last night was perfect I just Don't understand how people want him to win.It's confusing me because some pepole don't want him to win weak but they don't want him to win strong either I just Don't see How or why the way he won last night was bad. Again, I'm saying he didn't look lucky or dominant last night. He looked just right. You keep saying that he looked lucky, which is where I'm saying you aren't getting it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 15:34:30 GMT -5
He defeated kane last week on raw and has defeated big show several times Figured I might as well just look this up... He beat Kane by count out. There is no weaker victory than a count out. He pinned Big Show once on Smackdown, and beat him by count out and DQ once or twice. Big Show has also pinned him. So, as I said, he looks like a chump. He pins them all the time at house shows, but obviously that doesn't matter. I could've sworn he defeated him before a few other times and I'm probably sure this isn't the last time either.He will have a match againts Kane and big show later on in the upcoming weeks.
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Post by 859approved on Feb 23, 2015 16:37:12 GMT -5
I'm by no means a Roman Reigns fan, but seriously guys?
I thought it was silly how people were going on tantrums about Bryan last year, but two years in a row?
I'm beginning to think it doesn't even matter that it's Reigns. It's not Bryan.
They could build a time machine and have any wrestler that's ever existed come back to face Brock, and you guys would moan that it's not fair to Bryan. I don't get it.
Yeah, I know he's "over", but I've never understood the fiery passion you guys have for Bryan. If Bryan isn't the World Champion, main eventing every PPV, he's somehow being "squashed". I don't get it.
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Post by Kyle - legendkilla2k9 on Feb 23, 2015 16:47:24 GMT -5
I'm by no means a Roman Reigns fan, but seriously guys? I thought it was silly how people were going on tantrums about Bryan last year, but two years in a row? I'm beginning to think it doesn't even matter that it's Reigns. It's not Bryan. They could build a time machine and have any wrestler that's ever existed come back to face Brock, and you guys would moan that it's not fair to Bryan. I don't get it. Yeah, I know he's "over", but I've never understood the fiery passion you guys have for Bryan. If Bryan isn't the World Champion, main eventing every PPV, he's somehow being "squashed". I don't get it. With all due respect, had it have been someone like Bray Wyatt, Seth Rollins or Dolph Ziggler that beat Bryan last night, there wouldn't have been anywhere near as much moaning.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 16:50:41 GMT -5
I'm by no means a Roman Reigns fan, but seriously guys? I thought it was silly how people were going on tantrums about Bryan last year, but two years in a row? I'm beginning to think it doesn't even matter that it's Reigns. It's not Bryan. They could build a time machine and have any wrestler that's ever existed come back to face Brock, and you guys would moan that it's not fair to Bryan. I don't get it. Yeah, I know he's "over", but I've never understood the fiery passion you guys have for Bryan. If Bryan isn't the World Champion, main eventing every PPV, he's somehow being "squashed". I don't get it. No...It's Reigns. Very few people think he's ready to main event the biggest show in the industry. He's just not there. Like mentioned above, if it were Ziggler, Ambrose or Rollins, there'd be MUCH less moaning.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 23, 2015 16:51:02 GMT -5
I'm by no means a Roman Reigns fan, but seriously guys? I thought it was silly how people were going on tantrums about Bryan last year, but two years in a row? I'm beginning to think it doesn't even matter that it's Reigns. It's not Bryan. They could build a time machine and have any wrestler that's ever existed come back to face Brock, and you guys would moan that it's not fair to Bryan. I don't get it. Yeah, I know he's "over", but I've never understood the fiery passion you guys have for Bryan. If Bryan isn't the World Champion, main eventing every PPV, he's somehow being "squashed". I don't get it. I thought this was cleared up back at the Royal Rumble. It's not Daniel Bryan or bust. At least for most part. It was more along the lines of fans not feeling that Roman Reigns is ready and Bryan is. It's not about moaning because if Bryan isn't champ, he's being buried.
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Post by J12 on Feb 23, 2015 17:01:28 GMT -5
Having now seen Fast Line in it's entirety, I thought Reigns and Bryan had a fantastic match with great story-telling. Kudos to Roman for being involved in his first truly great match of his singles career. That being said, I think the decision to have him face Lesnar one on one is among the worst in recent memory. But, as previously stated, it is what it is.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Feb 23, 2015 19:13:08 GMT -5
Reigns didn't show me anything last night that made me feel any different about him. Boring offense as usual, and he still can't talk. he could be the face of the company...someday. forcing it is an injustice to reigns himself. he's not nearly at the level in any capacity that someone who is headlining the biggest show of the year should be.
My main problem with all of this is that It's just a terrible storyline for Wrestlemania. If this were Summerslam it would at least be passable, but Wrestlemania is the showcase of the immortals. Wrestlemania is where Shawn Michaels boyhood dream came true, where Hulk Hogan, the underdog champion, toppled the unbeatable Andre The Giant. Where Randy Savage defeated Ric Flair to win his final championship and avenge Elizabeth. Where Brock Lesnar defeated the legendary streak of the Undertaker. Where aging icon Hollywood Hogan went up against the young lion, The Rock, and passed the torch in an epic battle. Where John Cena had a once in a lifetime encounter against the Great One ( and then did it again the following year).
....Where......Roman Reigns.... faced Brock Lesnar in the most forgettable main event in Wrestlemania history. More people who pretend to forget Chris Benoits Wrestlemania moment will remember XX than this lukewarm match.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 19:16:20 GMT -5
Reigns didn't show me anything last night that made me feel any different about him. Boring offense as usual, and he still can't talk. he could be the face of the company...someday. forcing it is an injustice to reigns himself. he's not nearly at the level in any capacity that someone who is headlining the biggest show of the year should be. My main problem with all of this is that It's just a terrible storyline for Wrestlemania. If this were Summerslam it would at least be passable, but Wrestlemania is the showcase of the immortals. Wrestlemania is where Shawn Michaels boyhood dream came true, where Hulk Hogan, the underdog champion, toppled the unbeatable Andre The Giant. Where Randy Savage defeated Ric Flair to win his final championship and avenge Elizabeth. Where Brock Lesnar defeated the legendary streak of the Undertaker. Where aging icon Hollywood Hogan went up against the young lion, The Rock, and passed the torch in an epic battle. Where John Cena had a once in a lifetime encounter against the Great One ( and then did it again the following year). ....Where......Roman Reigns.... faced Brock Lesnar in the most forgettable main event in Wrestlemania history. More people who pretend to forget Chris Benoits Wrestlemania moment will remember XX than this lukewarm match. It's probably a good idea to wait until a match happens to say whether or not it's memorable.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Feb 23, 2015 19:24:03 GMT -5
Reigns didn't show me anything last night that made me feel any different about him. Boring offense as usual, and he still can't talk. he could be the face of the company...someday. forcing it is an injustice to reigns himself. he's not nearly at the level in any capacity that someone who is headlining the biggest show of the year should be. My main problem with all of this is that It's just a terrible storyline for Wrestlemania. If this were Summerslam it would at least be passable, but Wrestlemania is the showcase of the immortals. Wrestlemania is where Shawn Michaels boyhood dream came true, where Hulk Hogan, the underdog champion, toppled the unbeatable Andre The Giant. Where Randy Savage defeated Ric Flair to win his final championship and avenge Elizabeth. Where Brock Lesnar defeated the legendary streak of the Undertaker. Where aging icon Hollywood Hogan went up against the young lion, The Rock, and passed the torch in an epic battle. Where John Cena had a once in a lifetime encounter against the Great One ( and then did it again the following year). ....Where......Roman Reigns.... faced Brock Lesnar in the most forgettable main event in Wrestlemania history. More people who pretend to forget Chris Benoits Wrestlemania moment will remember XX than this lukewarm match. It's probably a good idea to wait until a match happens to say whether or not it's memorable. You know, you're right. One of them could shart themselves, then it would be memorable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 20:05:22 GMT -5
It's probably a good idea to wait until a match happens to say whether or not it's memorable. You know, you're right. One of them could shart themselves, then it would be memorable. Or it could booked like a damn good brawl.
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Post by johnnyb on Feb 23, 2015 20:39:12 GMT -5
Speaking of forgettable Wrestlemania main events featuring guys that are forced upon us whether we want to see them or not... I still don't remember a single thing about the Orton/Cena main event match that allegedly happened a few years ago.
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Post by Evil Abed on Feb 23, 2015 20:42:39 GMT -5
I can't seriously be the only one who thought Reigns looked really gassed during several parts of the match. I thought for sure he was going to botch the apron dropkick right before he did it. He looked really out of breath mid way through the match. Are you sure you haven't confused selling with being out of breath? Positive
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Post by BROKEN on Feb 23, 2015 21:14:37 GMT -5
I think Brock will retain
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 23:44:45 GMT -5
Speaking of forgettable Wrestlemania main events featuring guys that are forced upon us whether we want to see them or not... I still don't remember a single thing about the Orton/Cena main event match that allegedly happened a few years ago. Did it? I don't think it ever happened. I remember their Triple Threat with HHH, but not a singles match.
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Post by bigshab421 on Feb 24, 2015 1:42:53 GMT -5
I like Reigns, I truly do. But the problem is timing. They have decided to pull the trigger way too early on this kid. Unfortunately I feel its almost a guarantee his career will suffer because of this, ala Del Rio and Sheamus.
I just wish we could have saw Reigns enter a feud with Rusev that would have had Reigns over big time with the crowd. Had him develop his own character and look over the year and face the Rock at WrestleMania 32 next year to cement himself as the next top guy.
BUT INSTEAD.......
The WWE has already begun to book Reigns as Cena, and thats not a good thing. Daniel Bryan kicked his ass seemingly the entire match, and then he hits A spear and wins the match?!?!? I would have been okay with Reigns dominating and then Bryan mounts a comeback only to get A spear, but once again WWE's booking crew never ceases to fail.
I think the match will be okay, but the crowd will tear it apart and that will hurt him in the long run. As much as people say Cena was forced, they fail to remember that he built his fanbase over a two year span and was a clear cut crowd favorite by WM21. Then the piss poor booking of him infuriated fans.
They are doing the complete opposite to Reigns. Putting him at the top with no singles experience, 50/50 crowd support, no character development at all. Its a recipe for failure and it is sad to see because I feel that with the right timing and build up, he could be the next GUY. Unfortunately, some idiot in the inner circle still believes that hotshotting an unproven and untested commodity to champion is the best move.
Ehhhh..... Its just frustrating to see WWE continually make obvious mistakes blame poor ratings and sells on guys, and then have to revert back to relying on Cena, HHH, Orton.
Obvious logic shows to build up Reigns and let your top babyface go up against the top heel. But with Vince and co. there is no logic anymore.
Instead we will get a likely forgettable Mania card with the exception if Rollins/Orton.
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Post by ¡Twist Of 45 and 47! on Feb 24, 2015 3:30:30 GMT -5
Speaking of forgettable Wrestlemania main events featuring guys that are forced upon us whether we want to see them or not... I still don't remember a single thing about the Orton/Cena main event match that allegedly happened a few years ago. Thats because it didn't happen. Cena, Orton and Triple H did though at Wrestlemania 24.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 6:29:32 GMT -5
Speaking of forgettable Wrestlemania main events featuring guys that are forced upon us whether we want to see them or not... I still don't remember a single thing about the Orton/Cena main event match that allegedly happened a few years ago. Thats because it didn't happen. Cena, Orton and Triple H did though at Wrestlemania 24. Even then, it wasn't the main event. Edge/Taker was. I myself was thinking "did Orton/Cena really ing main event a Mania?"
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