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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015 18:39:14 GMT -5
But take a look at who's there champion back in 2002 it only took lesnar a few months to become WWE Champion and he won no titles before that if anyone was shoved down our throats it was definitely him at that.He may have been build up much better now but I Really don't see the big problem on reigns beating lesnar. Brock was built 1000000000x better than Roman, dude. Before he beat Rock, he destroyed everyone he faced - including Hogan, and wasn't cutting crappy promos about nursery rhymes. Brock looked like a legit threat going into that title match; Reigns doesn't. But Roman Has been booked fine so what if he lost to Seth and Kane 1 time that Was only by distraction and he hasn't done them nursery rhymes in awhile.His promos and matches so far have been good enough.I just don't see the problem but it is what it is. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Mar 15, 2015 18:56:25 GMT -5
Brock was built 1000000000x better than Roman, dude. Before he beat Rock, he destroyed everyone he faced - including Hogan, and wasn't cutting crappy promos about nursery rhymes. Brock looked like a legit threat going into that title match; Reigns doesn't. But Roman Has been booked fine so what if he lost to Seth and Kane 1 time that Was only by distraction and he hasn't done them nursery rhymes in awhile.His promos and matches so far have been good enough.I just don't see the problem but it is what it is. That's the thing. I'm not as against the Roman Reigns push as a lot of people, but everyone knows he's been booked poorly as of late. I don't care if he lost by distraction, he still lost. As a casual viewer, I'm supposed to buy that a guy who can lose by a simple distraction is going to beat Brock Lesnar. Brock killed John Cena, who is pretty much never fazed by distractions. The only thing the WWE has done right with him was his win over Daniel Bryan. He looked really good there. Hell, even in the Royal Rumble he basically took a nap in the corner. |
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Post by RKOrton #ThankYouLesnar on Mar 15, 2015 21:51:32 GMT -5
I cannot believe one compared Brocks 02 run to Reigns current push. Apples to Orange bro.
Yikes...
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Post by Hulk Who? on Mar 15, 2015 21:55:20 GMT -5
I cannot believe one compared Brocks 02 run to Reigns current push. Apples to Orange bro. Yikes... Apples and oranges have way more in common, both round delightful fruits we eat, cash crops, great juices etc |
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Post by RKOrton #ThankYouLesnar on Mar 15, 2015 21:56:27 GMT -5
I cannot believe one compared Brocks 02 run to Reigns current push. Apples to Orange bro. Yikes... Apples and oranges have way more in common, both round delightful fruits we eat, cash crops, great juices etc Haha!! Your actually right!! WOW! Just read through the ENTIRE forum. So many good points have been made about why Roman as a main eventer right now is just not working. And ill be honest, there is not a lot of good points made from the other side of the argument. Im not being biased at all, I'm being truly honest. To the Roman Supporters what I'm about to say, is coming from a place where i feel a guy who has no new music, attire, or charisma currently at this stage of career. A guy who the WWE wants as its number 1 babyface RIGHT NOW. Here is what i simply have to say about WHY fans are rejecting it. He sucks. Now remember in the context and perspective of where its coming from. The man truly does suck and I'm sorry in advance if that offends the Roman fans. NO ONE in their right mind comes out of watching a Roman promo feeling like the WWE is justified for going in the direction they are about go in. |
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Post by Rob on Mar 16, 2015 4:18:19 GMT -5
Brocks 2002 rise to the top was 100% different than Reigns.
Brock decimated EVERYTHING. Nobody was a threat to Brock at that time, From the moment he stepped into the ring and destroyed Rikishi, He was unstoppable. He destroyed Hogan, Rock, Damn near crippled quite a few midcarders. He went into that title match as a unstoppable monster and Rock was the underdog.
Reigns hasn't showed even a slightest big of intensity. Big Show defeated him a few weeks ago, Daniel Bryan took him to his limit, He is basically Cena 2.0, Gets beat up then does his little routine and wins. Going into WM, Reigns looks like a complete chump. If Brock can destroy Cena like he was a jobber, Reigns doesnt stand a chance. That Reigns/Henry segment on SD was the first time i saw any kind of domination and intensity from him. Only problem is, Its too late. The show is less than 2 weeks away.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 6:50:01 GMT -5
Man I ain't got a single clue what some of y'all thinking. First it's too much Roman Reigns, Paul Heymans promos are hyping him up too much and he's taking out too many other wrestlers too easily. ReignsWinsLOL, Make Roman Look Strong etc.  He's not being built as a legitimate threat to Brock despite the prior week taking out 5 men on his own. Needs to be built like a monster like Brock (which means taking out jobbers which proves nothing) and have a few years at the top before he gets a push (during this time people go back to statement #1.) |
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Post by Brunt's Left Foot on Mar 16, 2015 7:39:08 GMT -5
All I know is....
Roman Reigns sucks and I don't like him. I don't care about the petty bullshit, I just don't think he's good. At all.
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Post by xavion2004 on Mar 16, 2015 9:04:18 GMT -5
It amazes me that we can have post after post, page after page, and thread after thread of heated debates when both the supporters and detractors of Reigns seem to be in agreement on the underlying principles.
Does anyone disagree that Reigns cares about the business and is working hard to get better at his craft?
Does anyone disagree that Reigns has not achieved the iconic status that one usually associates with a performer headlining Wrestlemania?
Does anyone disagree that Reigns is simply trying to take advantage of an opportunity that has been offered to him like any other performer on the main roster would?
Does anyone disagree that there are performers on the main roster that deserve that opportunity just as much, if not more, than Reigns does?
Does anyone disagree that his booking and the promos that Vince allegedly scripted for him have been terrible?
Does anyone disagree that Reigns' push seems forced as opposed to being developed properly and patiently?
Does anyone disagree that Reigns is personally responsible for very little, if any, of this debacle and that the responsibility should fall on Vince and the WWE creative team?
There will be some that do disagree with one or more of the points above, but based on everything I've read here over the last several weeks, I think the majority of us, whether we want to see Reigns walk out of Wrestlemania with the title or not, do agree with the points above.
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Post by J12 on Mar 16, 2015 12:03:04 GMT -5
Reigns was over a year ago because WWE did a great job of covering his flaws. Dean and Seth did the heavy-lifting during the matches, Reigns came in and did his big moves, and that got him over. Once he broke out on his own, he just became more and more exposed. His flaws on the mic, his greenness in the ring; and instead of realizing this, and pumping the breaks on the push, WWE decided to push even harder. This all could've been easily avoided if they gave Roman the first win over Rusev, and let him develop another year. Hell, if they wanted they could've done Rollins/Reigns at SS if they didn't want to wait that long. Instead, they rushed it, and it's gonna blow up with n their faces. This covers it. Also, please don't tell me we're now comparing Reigns' push to Lesnar's? I've said this before, but Brock Lesnar is a total anomaly in the world of pro wrestling. There has never been anyone like him, and there may never be again. The second he stepped in the ring, you knew he was a star. It didn't take a few months, it didn't even take a few weeks. He just came in ready. There had never been such a legitimate threat. Hoisting him into the title picture in just mere months made perfect sense. How could you not? Roman Reigns is nothing like that. Hell, John Cena was nothing like that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 14:20:13 GMT -5
I swear to God some of you are contradicting yourselves for the sake of putting Reigns down. All of his detractors hate that he's been pushed too quickly when they believe he isn't ready, and every week WWE are setting out to 'Make Roman looks strong' and when he's taking out the whole of the Authority on his own with Spears and Superman Punches, that's a reason to roll your eyes. Right. So with that said, the same guys are making the point that he's not a believable threat to Lesnar because he hasn't been dominant enough and hasn't decimated everyone in his path, and that, as Kevstaaa said, 'he still lost' and therefore people can't buy him as a formidable opponent to Lesnar.
In conclusion, he's been pushed too hard but hasn't been pushed hard enough. T'rrific. I'm sorry but that's total nonsense.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Mar 16, 2015 14:56:13 GMT -5
Okay, let's see if I can relate this subject to my AP English class discussion from today:
We just got through reading the Awakening by Kate Chopin; essentially it's about the main character Edna breaking from the social norms of a very strict society. Our class hated Edna and, as a result, the book as a whole. We agreed that Edna was not a good 'fit' as the main character and ultimately the symbol for the grand deviation from society--the ultimate message from the novel. Why we hated Edna, however, was murky. It came down to, essentially, she was just flawed in so many ways. We weren't expecting an omnipotent protagonist, we didn't want such a noble and flawless main character, but just one with some redeeming qualities. Not to mention, we felt both her actions and the ending were not a good representation of what the overarching theme should have demonstrated.
Now to relate that to Roman. At least personally, and I'm sure some of y'all subconciously feel this too, everything about Reigns' aura is piss poor at the moment. His wrestling is "meh," his mic work is "meh," he's shoved down our throats (a sentiment I have strongly stuck by through and through--NO ONE save for Brock in wrestling history has ever beneifitted from that), and he's just not ready to be the face of a company. The crowds aren't particularly invested in him and he doesn't look like a damn threat to the guy who murdered the immortal Undertaker and took a figureative dump on the golden boy Cena. I'm not asking for him to overnight become a technical masterpiece, cut a Heyman-esque promo, and be a totally different wrestler. I just want one redeeming quality, only accessible through time to develop, to make me invested in him as a fan. Like the Awakening, I also feel the actions on the Road to Wrestlemania (i.e., his booking/overall booking of the card) and the plausible end result (him winning clean over Lesnar) are nowhere near an accurate representation of what a quality Wrestlemania build is made of.
I see potential in Roman Reigns--I don't see a bona-fide, day-one champion in him yet. I know he can succeed, otherwise he wouldn't have been put with Ambrose and Rollins to start; he just needs time to develop that potential into success.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Mar 16, 2015 16:18:50 GMT -5
I swear to God some of you are contradicting yourselves for the sake of putting Reigns down. All of his detractors hate that he's been pushed too quickly when they believe he isn't ready, and every week WWE are setting out to 'Make Roman looks strong' and when he's taking out the whole of the Authority on his own with Spears and Superman Punches, that's a reason to roll your eyes. Right. So with that said, the same guys are making the point that he's not a believable threat to Lesnar because he hasn't been dominant enough and hasn't decimated everyone in his path, and that, as Kevstaaa said, 'he still lost' and therefore people can't buy him as a formidable opponent to Lesnar. In conclusion, he's been pushed too hard but hasn't been pushed hard enough. T'rrific. I'm sorry but that's total nonsense. To debunk the "nonsense" theory here's how I see it. He has been pushed too quickly and had not earned it when he was given the Royal Rumble victory. HOWEVER, if the company is really going to push him, maybe they should push him right. In conclusion, he shouldn't be the guy to beat Brock Lesnar. But, if the WWE wants him to be the one, they should really book him better. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 16:35:31 GMT -5
I swear to God some of you are contradicting yourselves for the sake of putting Reigns down. All of his detractors hate that he's been pushed too quickly when they believe he isn't ready, and every week WWE are setting out to 'Make Roman looks strong' and when he's taking out the whole of the Authority on his own with Spears and Superman Punches, that's a reason to roll your eyes. Right. So with that said, the same guys are making the point that he's not a believable threat to Lesnar because he hasn't been dominant enough and hasn't decimated everyone in his path, and that, as Kevstaaa said, 'he still lost' and therefore people can't buy him as a formidable opponent to Lesnar. In conclusion, he's been pushed too hard but hasn't been pushed hard enough. T'rrific. I'm sorry but that's total nonsense. To debunk the "nonsense" theory here's how I see it. He has been pushed too quickly and had not earned it when he was given the Royal Rumble victory. HOWEVER, if the company is really going to push him, maybe they should push him right. In conclusion, he shouldn't be the guy to beat Brock Lesnar. But, if the WWE wants him to be the one, they should really book him better. Only, the backlash from detractors would be even worse if he had literally steamrolled every opponent in his path (as opposed to steamrolled most opponents in his path)... |
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Post by Lebowski on Mar 16, 2015 16:38:50 GMT -5
Man, I quite like Roman. He needs to sort out that sweaty looking ring gear though. It's like Scott Steiner when he couldn't get over the Main Event Mafia splitting up. Move on Brother!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 16:38:53 GMT -5
It's a double edged sword. If he got the Superman push, people would hate him. He has his current push and people hate him.
I've never, ever seen someone pushed so hard but already have so much backlash. At least Cena had nearly all of the fans behind him for a while.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Mar 16, 2015 17:55:52 GMT -5
To debunk the "nonsense" theory here's how I see it. He has been pushed too quickly and had not earned it when he was given the Royal Rumble victory. HOWEVER, if the company is really going to push him, maybe they should push him right. In conclusion, he shouldn't be the guy to beat Brock Lesnar. But, if the WWE wants him to be the one, they should really book him better. Only, the backlash from detractors would be even worse if he had literally steamrolled every opponent in his path (as opposed to steamrolled most opponents in his path)... I'm absolutely not denying that. I totally agree. I'm just stating that the thought that he's not ready, but also isn't even being pushed right isn't nonsense. Take away any opinions on Roman Reigns and, as a casual viewer, they haven't booked him as a guy that could believably beat Brock Lesnar. |
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Post by Chip on Mar 16, 2015 18:23:32 GMT -5
i dont know why anyone wouldnt think he's been booked as a legit threat to Lesnar
the WWE has spent the better part of a year forcing this guy on us as the greatest superstar on the planet. every move he does is epic and vintage, every word he utters is golden, the crowds rise to their feet at the crack of his theme music, OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
seriously though, the WWE has put this guy on a rocket ship to neptune, a loss to big show randomly doesnt mean he isn't "ready" to beat Lesnar in the scheme of wrestling. anyone can beat anyone at any time. the fact this company is having 2 guys main event wrestlemania and their only interaction up to this point has been a pre-taped backstage sit down interview is the biggest issue here.
maybe if Reigns wasn't sufferin' succotashing his way through the mid card he could have just been you know....FEUDING with the champion...building up to his title match...not wrestling pointless handicap matches and filler.
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Post by Hulk Who? on Mar 16, 2015 18:41:12 GMT -5
I swear to God some of you are contradicting yourselves for the sake of putting Reigns down. All of his detractors hate that he's been pushed too quickly when they believe he isn't ready, and every week WWE are setting out to 'Make Roman looks strong' and when he's taking out the whole of the Authority on his own with Spears and Superman Punches, that's a reason to roll your eyes. Right. So with that said, the same guys are making the point that he's not a believable threat to Lesnar because he hasn't been dominant enough and hasn't decimated everyone in his path, and that, as Kevstaaa said, 'he still lost' and therefore people can't buy him as a formidable opponent to Lesnar. In conclusion, he's been pushed too hard but hasn't been pushed hard enough. T'rrific. I'm sorry but that's total nonsense.  |
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