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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 0:51:58 GMT -5
I feel like WWE could really use a technical worker who relies mainly on submission holds and wrestling maneuvers. He doesn't have to be a Bret Hart or Chris Benoit clone but having that one guy on the roster who is a submission specialist would be very welcome.
I know there are guys who use submission holds but there isn't really a full blown technical wrestler like Bret in the 90s or Benoit in the 00s.
I feel like Cesaro could have maybe fit that role but he's so impressive with strength that I can see why he isn't.
I understand there is a "shoot club" who have made a few appearances in NXT who could possibly fall into that role it I'm not overly familiar with their work other than a couple appearances on the weekly NXT show.
How do you guys feel about this and who would/could you put in that role?
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Post by A-Rob on May 14, 2015 1:02:14 GMT -5
There are a few good technical wrestlers on the indys like Drew Gulack but I don't see him getting signed anytime soon. Zack Sabre Jr. is also awesome.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 1:04:13 GMT -5
Tyson Kidd is another who could've maybe filled that spot but he's a smaller guy and does too much flying around to be considered strictly technical (which is totally fine). I love Kidd.
The same goes for Daniel Bryan.
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Post by WalterF on May 14, 2015 1:09:57 GMT -5
I feel there are many who could and would do it, but WWE prob tries to grt them to NOT do that stuff. I, personally, would love it
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 1:11:41 GMT -5
I feel there are many who could and would do it, but WWE prob tries to grt them to NOT do that stuff. I, personally, would love it You may be right. There has always been that 1 guy who was built as a legit wrestler and that has been missing from WWE for some time. Bret Hart, Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle are really the last examples I can recall. I think having that ONE technical guy on the roster would really add variety to the product. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on May 14, 2015 1:25:47 GMT -5
Damien Sandow would fit the role perfectly of a technical guy, like a Dean Malenko. He's small enough, doesn't do flashy high flying moves, he would fit that role pretty good. But he's too busy being Macho Mandow now.... *sigh* Oh well, he's still more famous and makes more money than I do!
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 1:47:42 GMT -5
I don't think they 'need' one Bash; it'd be nice to see but if I want to see great technical wrestling I look beyond the WWE...like Rob said, Zack Sabre Jr is perhaps the best pure/technical/catch wrestler in a long time... Gotta broaden those horizons mate...!!  |
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Post by cmiller79 on May 14, 2015 2:14:58 GMT -5
Chad gable from nxt could probably do it if they went that route with him
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 3:43:28 GMT -5
Damien Sandow would fit the role perfectly of a technical guy, like a Dean Malenko. He's small enough, doesn't do flashy high flying moves, he would fit that role pretty good. But he's too busy being Macho Mandow now.... *sigh* Oh well, he's still more famous and makes more money than I do! I don't think Sandow is that good in the ring to pull it off, otherwise he wouldn't have been brought up as a "gimmick" wrestler in the first place. |
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Post by punksnotdead on May 14, 2015 8:20:15 GMT -5
You probably would have really enjoyed that element of Corey Graves' game had he made it to the main roster. He was a guy who built a match designed to lead to his submission. Worked over body parts, stretched guys out.
We kind of just need to see more submission holds in general imo. WWE is so rest hold heavy that breaking up the monotony of that format with actual submission holds seems like a no brainer.
Bryan is really a Bret and Benoit hybrid imo. They only let him show off a fraction of his actual technical ability though, sadly. To be fair, Cody Rhodes, Jack Swagger and to some degree Sheamus all have some pretty good technical skill. Of that group, Swagger is probably the only one you can focus the gimmick on being sort of that machine technician but he's too much of an Angle clone if you ask me. Plus, he's not very heavy in the charisma department.
I wasn't a fan of the guy but Alberto Del Rio really brought this element to WWE as well. It was boring to watch, which was fine because he was mostly a heel, but his moveset was unique to him. When he did click with someone, like Ziggler, the matches were great.
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Post by marino13 on May 14, 2015 9:52:14 GMT -5
Technical wrestling has always been my favorite style. Easily. Problem is nowadays every one wants fast pasted action. And as soon as we get a headlock or an arm bar you get half the crowd chanting boring. Or they run online to tear you down for using rest holds. And then if the crowd isn't interested you get pushed aside for the next guy that can do a backwards flip. I blame it more on the fair-weathered fans who don't appreciate the art of wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 9:54:36 GMT -5
Most of the guys who would be good for that role are high fliers. Punk, Bryan and Rollins would have all fit that role perfectly but they were also high fliers.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on May 14, 2015 10:56:22 GMT -5
Technical wrestling has always been my favorite style. Easily. Problem is nowadays every one wants fast pasted action. And as soon as we get a headlock or an arm bar you get half the crowd chanting boring. Or they run online to tear you down for using rest holds. And then if the crowd isn't interested you get pushed aside for the next guy that can do a backwards flip. I blame it more on the fair-weathered fans who don't appreciate the art of wrestling. I want to shank your hand and thank you word-for-word. The fast paced style is what I don't like about the WWE at times. As Triple H told Xavier Woods on the recent ESPN documentary, slow it down. One of the main detriments about modern WWE and wrestling in general is there isn't much of storytelling in the ring. Also, you have guys who don't know how to properly sell a move. I can't digest what's going on in the ring. I want to be able to digest what's going on and appreciate the lost art in wrestling. I mean, ****, if the action wasn't so fast paced and worked in a safer style, guys wouldn't be getting injured. The human body has its limits. |
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Post by ohernan6 on May 14, 2015 11:11:15 GMT -5
Technical wrestling has always been my favorite style. Easily. Problem is nowadays every one wants fast pasted action. And as soon as we get a headlock or an arm bar you get half the crowd chanting boring. Or they run online to tear you down for using rest holds. And then if the crowd isn't interested you get pushed aside for the next guy that can do a backwards flip. I blame it more on the fair-weathered fans who don't appreciate the art of wrestling. I want to shank your hand and thank you word-for-word. The fast paced style is what I don't like about the WWE at times. As Triple H told Xavier Woods on the recent ESPN documentary, slow it down. One of the main detriments about modern WWE and wrestling in general is there isn't much of storytelling in the ring. Also, you have guys who don't know how to properly sell a move. I can't digest what's going on in the ring. I want to be able to digest what's going on and appreciate the lost art in wrestling. I mean, ****, if the action wasn't so fast paced and worked in a safer style, guys wouldn't be getting injured. The human body has its limits. Don't shank his hand, man... that's foul... lol But yeah, I agree, and I think it goes back to my same old tired argument: Today's roster is just not technically as good as the Ruthless Aggression's era. I feel many wrestlers just follow a role without taking a lot of factors into account such as size and strength. Technical wrestling with bigger guys like Lesnar or Swagger will always look more believable if the shorter guy has strength behind his technique. There are no guys today that have this. |
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on May 14, 2015 11:19:03 GMT -5
I want to shank your hand and thank you word-for-word. The fast paced style is what I don't like about the WWE at times. As Triple H told Xavier Woods on the recent ESPN documentary, slow it down. One of the main detriments about modern WWE and wrestling in general is there isn't much of storytelling in the ring. Also, you have guys who don't know how to properly sell a move. I can't digest what's going on in the ring. I want to be able to digest what's going on and appreciate the lost art in wrestling. I mean, ****, if the action wasn't so fast paced and worked in a safer style, guys wouldn't be getting injured. The human body has its limits. Don't shank his hand, man... that's foul... lol But yeah, I agree, and I think it goes back to my same old tired argument: Today's roster is just not technically as good as the Ruthless Aggression's era. I feel many wrestlers just follow a role without taking a lot of factors into account such as size and strength. Technical wrestling with bigger guys like Lesnar or Swagger will always look more believable if the shorter guy has strength behind his technique. There are no guys today that have this. I didn't catch my typo. This is why the WWE tends to look at bigger guys like Brock Lesnar. The days of the big men are behind us. Sad but certainly true. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 11:21:25 GMT -5
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Post by Midnight on May 14, 2015 13:09:42 GMT -5
Technical wrestling has always been my favorite style. Easily. Problem is nowadays every one wants fast pasted action. And as soon as we get a headlock or an arm bar you get half the crowd chanting boring. Or they run online to tear you down for using rest holds. And then if the crowd isn't interested you get pushed aside for the next guy that can do a backwards flip. I blame it more on the fair-weathered fans who don't appreciate the art of wrestling. I agree with you. I love technical wrestling. |
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Post by CMPUNKISGOOD on May 14, 2015 13:55:10 GMT -5
Biff Busick has a tryout in June
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Post by CF9™ on May 14, 2015 13:59:12 GMT -5
Agreed. Angle and Lesnar used to put on some of the most realistic matches you'd ever see. Same with Benoit. A guy like Ziggler could technically do it, but that's not his style.
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Post by The Yes Man on May 14, 2015 17:29:34 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan is probably the best technical wrestler in the world, and I'd put his stuff against anybody in histories, it just doesn't lend itself to the type of match WWE allows to happen anymore, which is very unfortunate.
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