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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 6:51:19 GMT -5
Technically, the longest match ever has gone on for over 11 years, since Test was never eliminated from the 2004 Royal Rumble.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 7:05:52 GMT -5
Why did Cena win?
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Jul 20, 2015 7:08:45 GMT -5
He can't lose a feud. He'll lose momentum.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 7:13:45 GMT -5
He can't lose a feud. He'll lose momentum. It stoopid.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jul 20, 2015 7:13:34 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 7:16:12 GMT -5
My question is how do you book Owens now? He can't just start losing on Raw. He kicked out of like 3 AAs and one of them was from the top rope. It's not like Owens can just lose to a Spear next week on Raw or something... Like, what they gonna do with him now?
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jul 20, 2015 7:18:56 GMT -5
My question is how do you book Owens now? He can't just start losing on Raw. He kicked out of like 3 AAs and one of them was from the top rope. It's not like Owens can just lose to a Spear next week on Raw or something... Like, what they gonna do with him now? See: Bray Wyatt, Rusev
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Post by LtD73 on Jul 20, 2015 7:21:22 GMT -5
Undertaker returning was cool but a tad nonsensical, he was easily beaten but Lesnar seemed terrified and if Taker was wanting revenge why did he not take it at Mania this year. ...or even at SummerSlam last year - that would have probably made more sense (...where Brock - like this time - was going for the title). And seeing as Brock is a babyface now, is this the start of an Undertaker heel-turn? I hope they explain things tonight - I'm a HUGE Undertaker mark, but this return has me scratching my head, lol. Thats what I was thinking but I think Undertaker is too far into his career and too respected to be booed by crowds, he's not like HHH where he's on tv every week to keep up being a heel
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 7:21:59 GMT -5
Goodness,
Undertaker looked awful.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 7:22:19 GMT -5
My question is how do you book Owens now? He can't just start losing on Raw. He kicked out of like 3 AAs and one of them was from the top rope. It's not like Owens can just lose to a Spear next week on Raw or something... Like, what they gonna do with him now? See: Bray Wyatt, Rusev Got dammit.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jul 20, 2015 7:59:54 GMT -5
I've never been one to mark out simply because somebody from my childhood appeared.
I hated seeing the Undertaker show up last night. I did't care to see him and Bray at WrestleMania. I hated that the Rock appeared for 30 minutes of nonsense at WrestleMania. I didn't like when the New Age Outlaws and APA beat up the Ascension. Everything that happened during Sting/Triple H at WrestleMania was incredibly dumb.
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Post by Rule 30 on Jul 20, 2015 8:04:52 GMT -5
I've never been one to mark out simply because somebody from my childhood appeared. I hated seeing the Undertaker show up last night. I did't care to see him and Bray at WrestleMania. I hated that the Rock appeared for 30 minutes of nonsense at WrestleMania. I didn't like when the New Age Outlaws and APA beat up the Ascension. Everything that happened during Sting/Triple H at WrestleMania was incredibly dumb. I agree withe everything besides Wyatt/Taker. I really liked that storyline but I think I've probably made it clear I'm a Wyatt mark.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 8:19:54 GMT -5
Well...that was certainly a special of some sort...
Should've stuck to my guns and watched American Horror Story instead...
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Jul 20, 2015 8:25:49 GMT -5
On the bright side last night: The hot crowd helped Orton/Sheamus through probably their best match together. The tag title match was pretty good Xavier ing Woods The Divas triple threat
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 20, 2015 8:25:55 GMT -5
Barrett vs Truth made me giggle, right guy won.
Randy vs Sheamus happened, right guy won.
I enjoyed the tag title match. Promo was great, the around the ring shenanigans were great, I was entertained. The wrong team probably won, but I enjoy the PTPs. New Day is arguably the hottest act in the whole company right now though.
I enjoyed Bray vs Reigns. Hard hitting, and I don't know if anyone buys into their character more than Bray Wyatt. His psychology and understanding of who he is goes beyond everything else we're seeing. Awesome finish. Right guy won.
Divas match was good. Brie was about a step off on everything. However, Sasha and Charlotte have their chemistry together and every time we saw it, it was awesome. Loved the Becky chants, proof of what people really wanted to see. Finish was fine, and I liked that they protected Sasha. Sasha or Charlotte were the only two options, so right gal won.
Cena vs Owens felt recycled. I liked the counter suplex Owens did off the top rope. You absolutely DO NOT let Owens kick out of AAs and a Super AA, just to have him tap out. That was beyond stupid, incredibly stupid. The feud is over. Unless you're turning Owens babyface, and doing a respect angle between the two, Owens' ship is at the bottom of the ocean. He was pinned clean in the middle of the ring, and then tapped out clean in the middle of the ring in back-to-back PPVs. We've seen Rusev and Bray Wyatt be incredibly hurt by feuds with Cena, and I shutter to think why WWE would be willing to do this again. The feud continuing lacks all semblance of common sense. I think Cena moves on, but I guess we'll see. Wrong guy won.
And speaking of a total lack of common sense... the main event was total, and utter, sh*t. Listen, I get that you Undertaker fans can't let go, but he's old and fat and I don't care about him. Brock "beat his ass" at Mania and there should be absolutely no reason Brock was even remotely scared of him. Also, Rollins is faster and more agile than Brock, why not give us a real match and tell more of that story. They wrestled each other at Royal Rumble, match of the year imo, and Rollins was made to look like a relative equal. Now that he's the WWE World Champion, why would he be made to look like a lesser foe than he was just 7 months ago? I won't get into why it has taken this long for Undertaker to retaliate on Brock. They were both at Mania 31, and Taker could have easily cost Brock the title. So, so, dumb. Continuity, you ain't got none. The silver lining is that Rollins still has the title, so the right guy... retained? I don't know who won because the referee and champion both disappeared when the lights went out.
Whatever though, I hope you Taker and Cena fans are happy. Nothing better than watching the old guard, and the older guard, standing on the necks of the new guard, making sure they aren't worth a dime 5 years from now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 8:38:49 GMT -5
It's almost going to get to the point where guys won't want to work with Cena because a fued with him is pointless. Of course guys are going to want to work with Cena because he's the biggest star in the company but in the back of their minds they'll be thinking it'll be pointless in the end because Cena wins lol Cena has been having great matches lately but the only person it makes look good is him because it's Cena having great matches shocker. It's not really elevating anyone. It elevated Owens by having him best him but that has now been undone with a clean pinfall and a clean tap out. After Battleground I am genuinely wondering why I waste hours of my life watching this shit, I'm starting to feel like I felt in 1995 just a constant frustration.
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Post by jakksking1 on Jul 20, 2015 8:57:03 GMT -5
Well...that was certainly a special of some sort... Should've stuck to my guns and watched American Horror Story instead... Hahahahaha, you think WWE writing and booking is bad, wait for the last two seasons of Anerican Horror Story. So horrendous.
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Post by Arthur Speaks on Jul 20, 2015 9:34:02 GMT -5
I will only save my breath for the two matches I was anticipating the most.
I actually missed Cena/Owens II, so I really don't know how it stacks up to the third one. With that being said, the ending was kinda abrupt. If they really wanted Cena to go over, that's fine. But making Owens tap out was the wrong way to do it. That booking was so weird. He just kicked out of the AA from the top rope. It was like at WrestleMania XXV when Undertaker caught Michaels with the Tombstone and he kicked out. He had to find some way to finish him off and he saw his opening with the moonsault. That makes sense and was a great counter. Owens loses his intimidation factor now. It would have been easier if there was a false finish, and at SummerSlam, Owens won the title. There is still a possibility of Owens winning at SummerSlam and he has to, but this was the wrong call all around.
On the upside, this means Cena is still champion and I have been enjoying his reign so far. But I know WWE has this bizarre fetish for taking guys who Cena beat and making them irrelevant laughingstocks. Just because you lost to the face of the company, does not mean you lose all credibility. WWE better make the right decision next month and have Owens go over Cena. I expect Cesaro will most likely get involved or Rusev so the title picture has gotten a lot more interesting than it would have if Owens won last night.
The main event was absolute garbage, and that's not even addressing what happened afterwards. My best friend has constantly told me that he does not buy into Rollins as champion because he does not intimidate anyone and he looks like a joke next to Lesnar. So what does WWE do? Have Lesnar manhandle the world champion for 10-15 minutes. A squash match can be fun (SummerSlam last year) but Rollins needed to look strong last night. He needed to legitimize his title reign. Lesnar giving him 13 German suplexes is not the answer. All it tells me is Rollins was done for until Undertaker bizarrely showed up and attacked Lesnar? With no commentary?
WWE has officially booked themselves into a corner. There is absolutely no reason for Undertaker to want retribution for Lesnar ending the streak at this point. They were both at WrestleMania this year. If they really wanted Taker to get involved, just do it then and have Rollins cash in afterwards. Now we have to see these two compete at SummerSlam in a match that we never wanted in the first place. I imagined Undertaker wanting vengeance, but not 15 months afterwards. Not three months after he beat someone else at WrestleMania. There are only two solutions: Undertaker beats Lesnar clean or Sting gets involved and costs Undertaker the match, setting up the two at WrestleMania XXXII next year. Lesnar wins clean, Undertaker looks like an idiot for coming back. Undertaker wins clean, then there was no reason to end the Streak even though it would make more booking sense at this point.
WWE is in deep, deep trouble heading into SummerSlam. They need to save themselves before this event winds up being a disaster. How humiliating would it be if NXT TakeOver: Brooklyn ends up feeling more like the second-biggest show of the year than the actual second-biggest show of the year? By the way, why is the Royal Rumble considered third on the pecking order? It has actual ramifications on WrestleMania, should that not count for anything? With that being said, I think Rollins is in worse shape than Owens. They can still salvage Owens, but with Rollins, SummerSlam is his last chance. If he comes out of Brooklyn looking illegitimate, his reign means absolutely nothing from that point forward. The company has shot itself in the foot and I have no idea how they plan to recover.
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Post by Chip on Jul 20, 2015 9:57:57 GMT -5
there was no reason to end the streak in the first place. Undertaker winning is his retribution for the travesty on his career. Or yes, Lesnar wins and Undertaker looks like a chump...but he already does because he lost the streak. So it's a wash. Undertaker coming back for revenge on Lesnar because Lesnar wasn't around enough for him to do it through 2014. You're not booking Undertaker for the WWE title and Lesnar half held the title for the latter part of 2014. Why would the WWE book Undertaker to distract Lesnar at WM31, then Rollins cash in...it's like how many interferences do you need? So how does Undertaker get even with Lesnar? This is Lesnar's first title shot since losing....HELLLO! the booking writes itself here. 'Taker has been sitting back waiting for the right time to strike, and he did. WWE is trying to sell tickets & network subs...people salivating over a rumored Shield reunion after they've only been broken for a year, but are pissed that Undertaker is coming back a year +5 later for revenge on Brock? makes no sense. it doesn't matter how long. hell if Bret Hart could've still wrestled they could've done Bret vs HBK at Wrestlemania with Bret trying to avenge the screwjob. Sting came to the WWE 15 years late for "revenge" on WCW c'mon people, are we forgetting the basics here?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 10:02:48 GMT -5
WWE has officially booked themselves into a corner. There is absolutely no reason for Undertaker to want retribution for Lesnar ending the streak at this point. They were both at WrestleMania this year. If they really wanted Taker to get involved, just do it then and have Rollins cash in afterwards. Now we have to see these two compete at SummerSlam in a match that we never wanted in the first place. I imagined Undertaker wanting vengeance, but not 15 months afterwards. Not three months after he beat someone else at WrestleMania. There are only two solutions: Undertaker beats Lesnar clean or Sting gets involved and costs Undertaker the match, setting up the two at WrestleMania XXXII next year. Lesnar wins clean, Undertaker looks like an idiot for coming back. Undertaker wins clean, then there was no reason to end the Streak even though it would make more booking sense at this point. I really don't see any positive outcomes of Lesnar vs Taker. If Taker wins, ending the streak was all for nothing. I said this in another thread but the only thing I could think of is Lesnar winning clean to continue his dominance, get back into the title picture, go into WM32 as champ and get topped by whatever upcoming face. I don't know, I don't feel great about any of this.
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