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Post by 💯ULTIMATE💯 on Aug 10, 2015 8:56:00 GMT -5
As a community we must fight back. They tried this a few years ago with the dull belts and people revolted and they went back to the shiny belts. We must do the same thing again. There is no justifying this. Yes Mattel makes great figures, but that doesn't mean were not allowed to criticize them. This type of cost cutting is unacceptable. I don't care that prices go up as long as it means that we get the same quality. But I refuse to buy figures if the cost goes up and the quality goes down. It's unethical. The whole point of rising prices is to keep the same quality. I hope this is just a one time thing like the hardcore belt but I have a feeling it won't be. Mattel is testing us. If people sit back and say oh it's not a big deal and try justifying it, then they will continue doing this. And then it will not only be belts, but accessories, less detail etc. This is unacceptable and anybody who defends Mattel will lead to the lines downfall. Jakks barely raised the price of their figures in a decade. Mattel continues to raise prices all while sacrificing important aspects of the elites. I lovethe elite figures, but don't raise prices and then cut more out. Either keep prices stable and cut costs or raise the price and keep the details the same. Not both. Keep the cost cutting for the basics. This is infuriating that people just stand by and defend Mattel for this. They're testing us to see what they can get away with. How do people not see this? You get it as a fan. A lot, about 30 percent who are fine do not get it. You must put your foot down. Mattel is not your friend. They are a corporation. THey hate fans who demand better. They had a DCUC line and flat out did NOT want to compete with Hasbro. This is the gauntlet they threw down, higher prices, lower quality, lack of accessories. Took me 8 pages, but someone got it right, fight against Mattel....they are NOT your friend. You pay them, they should not give you trash for your hard work. Many work hard to the best of their abilities, shouldn't you demand MAttel's best? I see some here trashing Jakks. Jakks gave great accessories, nice face sculpts and kept prices down. THeir prices are still low for their TNA figures. Mattel is taking advantage of us, we should let them know it is unacceptable. Preach on brothers. Fists up not asses up. I really do think it's a test. Mattel is like "let's do this to the belt and see if they barely complain and STILL buy them and if they don't and STILL buy, then we see what else we can get away with." The belt honestly looks like MattelDesignTeam took safety measures to prevent small children swallowing the plastic plates lol it's ridiculous |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 9:00:23 GMT -5
It looks good around Rollins' waist, but it looks awful in the pic of Brock holding it. Exactly! Completely unrealistic!  |
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Post by becks007 on Aug 10, 2015 9:29:18 GMT -5
The previous one has basically the same design as the current one. Mattel had no problem in going all out with the vac on that one...  If they wanted the current belt made this way in rubber, I don't see why it had to take Mattel over a year since that network logo title was unveiled for it to be done. Ridiculous really and makes no sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 11:53:37 GMT -5
It's sht like this that makes it easier to walk away from all of it. Scans are getting more cartoonish, belts being cheaply made, poor rotation in the elite line (Shield members had 9 figures in the last 13 sets), meanwhile they took their time releasing Hogan figures and now we are left with thought of what could have been. I'm glad I'm done with taking their sht.
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Post by Ace Gervase on Aug 10, 2015 13:20:22 GMT -5
Here's a comparison pic.. when I see the side-by-side comparison of rubber one next to the plated ones, actually think that the rubber ones look better! Detailing in the paint is by far much better and anyone who has the all rubber ones and hates them so much feel free to send them my way |
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Post by kgchampion on Aug 10, 2015 13:36:34 GMT -5
Personally, I really liked the non-shiny belts that came with the elites back in the day. I think the paint looks more vibrant on them. However, I think the best belt that Mattel did was the US title that came with Dean Ambrose. They absolutely nailed that one. The gold looks shiny, but not too shiny and the paint really stands out on that one. I was always disappointed they didn't make versions of the rest of the belts the same way.
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Post by JCF on Aug 10, 2015 14:11:26 GMT -5
It's not that bad. The people saying they're going to quit the hobby and all because of one belt... give me a break. Perhaps there's reasoning behind this that we don't know about.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Aug 10, 2015 14:47:07 GMT -5
It's not that bad. The people saying they're going to quit the hobby and all because of one belt... give me a break. Perhaps there's reasoning behind this that we don't know about. There could be, but so far only educated guesses. If only someone on these boards was head of the design team. Maybe they could clear it up, or make an excuse, either way. |
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Aug 10, 2015 14:48:10 GMT -5
Hmm I didn't notice but I like how it fits around the figures waist better. The other belts are really bulky and don't look natural when around the waist.
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Post by CAT-ion Figures on Aug 12, 2015 19:08:28 GMT -5
You get it as a fan. A lot, about 30 percent who are fine do not get it. You must put your foot down. Mattel is not your friend. They are a corporation. THey hate fans who demand better. They had a DCUC line and flat out did NOT want to compete with Hasbro. This is the gauntlet they threw down, higher prices, lower quality, lack of accessories. Took me 8 pages, but someone got it right, fight against Mattel....they are NOT your friend. You pay them, they should not give you trash for your hard work. Many work hard to the best of their abilities, shouldn't you demand MAttel's best? I see some here trashing Jakks. Jakks gave great accessories, nice face sculpts and kept prices down. THeir prices are still low for their TNA figures. Mattel is taking advantage of us, we should let them know it is unacceptable. Such brave men you both are. it has nothing to do with being brave. The fact is, it's unethical to continue raising prices while decreasing quality. Yes the belt isn't atrocious, but if people accept decreasing quality then this trend will continue. Trust me, if the collectors just accept this then the problem will continue to get worse, and not just with belts. It's the same thing we're seeing with defining moments. They give us Hogan and razor who should've been elites with what they were given accessory wise. Rubber shirt/vest and a belt, all because they were debut figures. Luckily they're still shelf warming everywhere, where as flair and sting, which are worthy of their price sold outin stores. You have to look at trends, and right now the Mattel is trending to lower quality everything while prices go up and up. There's a reason why they stopped making the dull belts, because people fought for them to go back to the vac belts. |
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Post by Instant Classic on Aug 13, 2015 0:09:28 GMT -5
This is pretty lame. I'll skip the Brock.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 0:12:57 GMT -5
It's not that bad. The people saying they're going to quit the hobby and all because of one belt... give me a break. Perhaps there's reasoning behind this that we don't know about. It's nothing like that. A lot of people come to Mattel's defense because this is their life. You guys, the ones that need to have one of everything (sometimes 2 or 3), the ones that need to get the newest figures first (and overpay), the ones who just begun (learn one thing. Get what you want and don't let hype fool you), the ones that defend every decision Mattel makes whether you like it or not have no clue (or blinded) about what the Elite line represented to the collector. These are suppose to be high quality figures. It says so on the box. This not just the belt, it's a combination of many intentional cost cutting tactics. I mean, they cheaped out on Melinko's five o'clock shadow (he was shown with it, but I guess they nixed it last minute) and injected another Cena 3 sets later. Elite collecting is fun and all. Congrats to those with server OCD, but it's milked to death because of Mattel's corporate greed. The only necessities from this set are the briefcase and Steph. Everything else is junk! But hey, what do I know lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 0:16:38 GMT -5
That belt looks better when strapped on in stead of the bulky vac belt. People are overreacting here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 0:25:42 GMT -5
Such brave men you both are. it has nothing to do with being brave. The fact is, it's unethical to continue raising prices while decreasing quality. Yes the belt isn't atrocious, but if people accept decreasing quality then this trend will continue. Trust me, if the collectors just accept this then the problem will continue to get worse, and not just with belts. It's the same thing we're seeing with defining moments. They give us Hogan and razor who should've been elites with what they were given accessory wise. Rubber shirt/vest and a belt, all because they were debut figures. Luckily they're still shelf warming everywhere, where as flair and sting, which are worthy of their price sold outin stores. You have to look at trends, and right now the Mattel is trending to lower quality everything while prices go up and up. There's a reason why they stopped making the dull belts, because people fought for them to go back to the vac belts. That's the gospel brother! I used to have to get one of every elite and now I might get one or two elites. I've skipped a few series altogether with no interest sense elite 28. A lot of people hype many figures here and try to create collector fever. Lol, sometimes I think there are Mattel bots that advertise excitement over a figure. Like sheeps in a flock. |
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Post by rustyy on Aug 13, 2015 1:50:29 GMT -5
Cost goes up, quality goes down. Jakks, is that you?
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Post by Duck Holliday on Aug 13, 2015 6:07:24 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings on it.
I do wonder how that paint will rub, though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 7:44:51 GMT -5
Such brave men you both are. it has nothing to do with being brave. The fact is, it's unethical to continue raising prices while decreasing quality. Yes the belt isn't atrocious, but if people accept decreasing quality then this trend will continue. Trust me, if the collectors just accept this then the problem will continue to get worse, and not just with belts. It's the same thing we're seeing with defining moments. They give us Hogan and razor who should've been elites with what they were given accessory wise. Rubber shirt/vest and a belt, all because they were debut figures. Luckily they're still shelf warming everywhere, where as flair and sting, which are worthy of their price sold outin stores. You have to look at trends, and right now the Mattel is trending to lower quality everything while prices go up and up. There's a reason why they stopped making the dull belts, because people fought for them to go back to the vac belts. This conversation has happened so many times, but collectors are not their main focus. The defining moments are more geared towards collectors, which I'm sure the majority of collectors bought them and maybe even bought more than one. The prices have gone up, but mattel didn't do this with out reseach. I'm not defending mattel, not because I'm happy with everything they put out (I buy only certain figure, not whole series) I defend them, because so many people on here are under the impression that they can do a better job and that mattel are clueless. Believe it or not, bill and the rest of wwe mattel are doing a great job and we should be happy it's not jakks. |
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Post by MWFD on Aug 13, 2015 14:12:05 GMT -5
MattelDesignTeamWhy would you do this? Is it a cost cutting measure, or is it because the new one with actual plates and VUM was not ready? If we don't get one with plates, I really think that's a bad move... Could have eliminated Stephs signs, and Seths Cinderblocks if you needed the budget.. Completely agree. There's cost-cutting and then there's complete screw-ups. There's many other methods to reducing costs without resulting in this piece of crap and foolish decision. God knows the prices haven't dropped since the line launched, so why has the quality? Be careful MattelDesignTeam starting to develop a reputation I don't think you want. Slippery slope. |
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Post by MWFD on Aug 13, 2015 14:16:53 GMT -5
It's not that bad. The people saying they're going to quit the hobby and all because of one belt... give me a break. Perhaps there's reasoning behind this that we don't know about. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO In all seriousness, part of the hobby and its appeal is the lifelike accuracy of these figures right? Regardless, you can't blame people for getting pissed about reduced quality with increased prices. Not a whole lot of valid reasons that would justify that. Back when I was a kid, the belts looked like this: mg~~60_35.JPG) It may not be perfect but it's a helluva lot better than that! It's also probably 3X the price. |
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Post by CAT-ion Figures on Aug 13, 2015 14:45:35 GMT -5
it has nothing to do with being brave. The fact is, it's unethical to continue raising prices while decreasing quality. Yes the belt isn't atrocious, but if people accept decreasing quality then this trend will continue. Trust me, if the collectors just accept this then the problem will continue to get worse, and not just with belts. It's the same thing we're seeing with defining moments. They give us Hogan and razor who should've been elites with what they were given accessory wise. Rubber shirt/vest and a belt, all because they were debut figures. Luckily they're still shelf warming everywhere, where as flair and sting, which are worthy of their price sold outin stores. You have to look at trends, and right now the Mattel is trending to lower quality everything while prices go up and up. There's a reason why they stopped making the dull belts, because people fought for them to go back to the vac belts. This conversation has happened so many times, but collectors are not their main focus. The defining moments are more geared towards collectors, which I'm sure the majority of collectors bought them and maybe even bought more than one. The prices have gone up, but mattel didn't do this with out reseach. I'm not defending mattel, not because I'm happy with everything they put out (I buy only certain figure, not whole series) I defend them, because so many people on here are under the impression that they can do a better job and that mattel are clueless. Believe it or not, bill and the rest of wwe mattel are doing a great job and we should be happy it's not jakks. I never once said they're clueless. In fact I'm pretty sure they're cognizant of what they've done. Believe it or not, I also said I like mattel's figures. This has to do with what their approach will be in the future. I'm not going to just shut up because "we should be happy." Being complacent about situations like this is what leads them to cut more costs. There is nothing a company would love more than shed a few pennies making something and then charge two more dollars for it. If they see everyone doesn't care about a belt becoming one piece of rubber instead of what we previously got, then soon that's all we'll get, followed by more rubber crap in DM, molded on shirts on elites, more of those crappy signs that are with Stephanie, more tattoos as accessories, more decal not on figures and on and on. We once got stands. They took those out so they could maintain the price point, or so they said, but would do ya know? The prices didn't stay the same. In fact, they've gone up quite a substantial rate. It would not surprise me if in a few years they were $30 after tax all while including the same crap I mentioned above. I'm not a lemming. I like my figures as much as anyone on here, but if I see them doing this stuff more and more, I'm just gonna stop buying figures. It's not worth it for me at that point. I also realize that most here won't do that because "they should be happy it's not jakks." Mattel was supposed to be different than jakks. These were supposed to be made for collectors, you even said it yourself. Well, collectors have spoken, and they don't want rubber garbage belts. You wanna save some money on a set? Ok, find something else. Wait a minute, elite 37 barely has any accessories all ready. So much so that steph doesn't even come with an "accessory" just two pieces of cardboard that was less than a penny to make. This wasn't because they had no budget, because this will continue to be the belt you get every time now. Hoping to get that TRU Rollins? Same belt. Any figure that comes with the wwe title is getting that rubber belt. They're not changing it unless people say something. Anyone who posts pictures of their new pickups and says, "well, the belt isn't that great but I guess it will do. I hope the one will Rollins isn't the same, but I'll buy it anyway even if it is", are enabling Mattel. If you say "this belt is terrible, I'm not buying it", then maybe they'll do something. There's a reason it's been 2 and a half years and that hardcore Kane is still for sale on RSC. That belt is terrible. If that hardcore belt was even decent that figure would've sold out. But here's the thing, I understand why they did it for that belt with all the stuff that's on. I fully understand the purpose on that one, even if the execution was poor. The problem is, the wwe title belt is THE belt. It's the belt that matters. It's almost exactly like the original one but with a new logo. Was it that hard to make it plastic and shiny like the previous one? The answer is no. But it was cheaper. That's why we got it. |
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