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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 11:10:15 GMT -5
Goodness, we are still debating this in 2015?
It wasn't a work. Clearly.
Also, for people saying they have no sympathy for Bret and he should've dropped the belt and etc.
He DID want to drop the belt. Bret had no intention of going to WCW while still being WWF champion. If you watch Wrestling with Shadows it pretty clearly shows Bret did not want to leave WWF for WCW at all. Vince told him to go. Vince told him he didn't have to drop the belt in Montreal and could give it up on Raw the next night.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 11:14:18 GMT -5
Bret was never the same guy after it.....even before Owen. he was a wounded soul going to the locker room of WCW that was CRAMMED with political & personal enemies. Dude! Why are you blue now?? You went from green to red and now to blue in a matter of a month?? What happened?? basically being an admin requires a fair bit of commitment to this site (gotta be on here a lot every day IMO) and I've just got a promotion in work that will lessen my time on here a LOT. there have been days at a time that I haven't been on since I got the Admin job.....and for me? that wasn't doing the job. So after weighing it up? I decided it wasn't fair to Jack and resigned so that he can promote somebody else that has more time on their hands here yknow? |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 23, 2015 11:17:58 GMT -5
Dude! Why are you blue now?? You went from green to red and now to blue in a matter of a month?? What happened?? basically being an admin requires a fair bit of commitment to this site (gotta be on here a lot every day IMO) and I've just got a promotion in work that will lessen my time on here a LOT. there have been days at a time that I haven't been on since I got the Admin job.....and for me? that wasn't doing the job. So after weighing it up? I decided it wasn't fair to Jack and resigned so that he can promote somebody else that has more time on their hands here yknow? I get that! The older you get, more responsibilities kick in, and stuff like this has to take a back burner. Well at least you are still here to post stuff, that is the main thing! |
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Post by OmegaGaijin on Aug 23, 2015 12:52:58 GMT -5
Bret should've dropped the belt. I have no sympathy for Bret. Never have. Never will. Bret screwed Bret.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 12:54:00 GMT -5
Bret should've dropped the belt. I have no sympathy for Bret. Never have. Never will. Bret screwed Bret. LOL....... |
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Post by OmegaGaijin on Aug 23, 2015 12:55:29 GMT -5
Goodness, we are still debating this in 2015? It wasn't a work. Clearly. Also, for people saying they have no sympathy for Bret and he should've dropped the belt and etc. He DID want to drop the belt. Bret had no intention of going to WCW while still being WWF champion. If you watch Wrestling with Shadows it pretty clearly shows Bret did not want to leave WWF for WCW at all. Vince told him to go. Vince told him he didn't have to drop the belt in Montreal and could give it up on Raw the next night. Some peoples brain capacities don't stretch that far. They just believe what WWE tells them. If they had a brain cell they'd be dangerous. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 13:27:38 GMT -5
Goodness, we are still debating this in 2015? It wasn't a work. Clearly. Also, for people saying they have no sympathy for Bret and he should've dropped the belt and etc. He DID want to drop the belt. Bret had no intention of going to WCW while still being WWF champion. If you watch Wrestling with Shadows it pretty clearly shows Bret did not want to leave WWF for WCW at all. Vince told him to go. Vince told him he didn't have to drop the belt in Montreal and could give it up on Raw the next night. Some peoples brain capacities don't stretch that far. They just believe what WWE tells them. If they had a brain cell they'd be dangerous. I like some of the guys here saying they thought it was a work. But I really don't understand the thought process behind it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 13:33:09 GMT -5
Bret should've dropped the belt. I have no sympathy for Bret. Never have. Never will. Bret screwed Bret. That's what you do when someone else is right but you don't agree but don't have anything to say because it's true. I know, I know. Bret screwed Bret. |
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Post by OmegaGaijin on Aug 23, 2015 13:53:58 GMT -5
That's what you do when someone else is right but you don't agree but don't have anything to say because it's true. I know, I know. Bret screwed Bret. Yes. That is exactly why I posted that, you're spot on. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 13:57:25 GMT -5
That's what you do when someone else is right but you don't agree but don't have anything to say because it's true. I know, I know. Bret screwed Bret. Yes. That is exactly why I posted that, you're spot on. Haha! That's what I figured! |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Aug 23, 2015 16:30:45 GMT -5
Some peoples brain capacities don't stretch that far. They just believe what WWE tells them. If they had a brain cell they'd be dangerous. I like some of the guys here saying they thought it was a work. But I really don't understand the thought process behind it. I've never thought it was a work because everything was far too personal between Vince and Bret and it took Bret until 2006 to finally forgive Vince.
However there are a few things that originally made me think twice.
After the screwjob the cameras backstage caught everything even Bret's wife arguing with Shawn and HHH so it was very coincidental that the cameras were there when all that was happening. Then it shows Bret watching Raw the next night when the mini Bret Hart comes out.
It was like something you would see in a scripted reality TV show.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 16:31:54 GMT -5
I like some of the guys here saying they thought it was a work. But I really don't understand the thought process behind it. I've never thought it was a work because everything was far too personal between Vince and Bret and it took Bret until 2006 to finally forgive Vince.
However there are a few things that originally made me think twice.
After the screwjob the cameras backstage caught everything even Bret's wife arguing with Shawn and HHH so it was very coincidental that the cameras were there when all that was happening. Then it shows Bret watching Raw the next night when the mini Bret Hart comes out.
It was like something you would see in a scripted reality TV show.
The cameras were rolling because it was a documentary, they wanted to catch everything and they got more than they bargained for. Why wouldn't Bret watch the following Raw? I expect he wanted to see how they would spin it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 23:10:34 GMT -5
If it was a work, they damn sure would've filmed Bret knocking Vince on his ass.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 23, 2015 23:39:17 GMT -5
The thing about the Montreal Screw Job is that the people who believe its real will always believe that. The ones who think it was a work will always believe that.
I think it could go both ways. I am however, more likely to slide that it was a work. If it is a work, it's the greatest work ever in pro wrestling history.
I always go back to the whole "Bret doesn't want to go to WCW" .... then why go?? He says it wasn't about money....?? Okay then, why not stay in the WWE then and get less money and be happy?? So much about it just seems like it doesn't add up.
But again, I am not saying it was real or not, just I think it may be a work.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Aug 24, 2015 0:34:38 GMT -5
The thing about the Montreal Screw Job is that the people who believe its real will always believe that. The ones who think it was a work will always believe that. I think it could go both ways. I am however, more likely to slide that it was a work. If it is a work, it's the greatest work ever in pro wrestling history. I always go back to the whole "Bret doesn't want to go to WCW" .... then why go?? He says it wasn't about money....?? Okay then, why not stay in the WWE then and get less money and be happy?? So much about it just seems like it doesn't add up. But again, I am not saying it was real or not, just I think it may be a work. If I recall, the difference in money was such that he did feel self conscious about not previously taking a better deal, but in his book, Bret said that Vince pretty much intended to make him look horrible and tear him down every week if he didn't leave. I could be mixing things up, but the book mentions something along those lines. He wanted to stay if the money promised was there and his character would be protected. (like I said.. I'm fuzzy right now) Yes. That is exactly why I posted that, you're spot on. Haha! That's what I figured! are.. are you being serious? lol.. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 24, 2015 0:38:10 GMT -5
The thing about the Montreal Screw Job is that the people who believe its real will always believe that. The ones who think it was a work will always believe that. I think it could go both ways. I am however, more likely to slide that it was a work. If it is a work, it's the greatest work ever in pro wrestling history. I always go back to the whole "Bret doesn't want to go to WCW" .... then why go?? He says it wasn't about money....?? Okay then, why not stay in the WWE then and get less money and be happy?? So much about it just seems like it doesn't add up. But again, I am not saying it was real or not, just I think it may be a work. If I recall, the difference in money was such that he did feel self conscious about not previously taking a better deal, but in his book, Bret said that Vince pretty much intended to make him look horrible and tear him down every week if he didn't leave. I could be mixing things up, but the book mentions something along those lines. He wanted to stay if the money promised was there and his character would be protected. (like I said.. I'm fuzzy right now) Why that though?? Why would Vince go out of his way to make Bret look back each week on Raw if he stayed with the WWE?? If Bret was gonna stay for less money, and not go to the competition, isn't that called 'loyalty"?? Especially after a year and a half before with Scott Hall and Kevin Nash up and leaving for the big money. |
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Post by Duck Holliday on Aug 24, 2015 0:44:28 GMT -5
If I recall, the difference in money was such that he did feel self conscious about not previously taking a better deal, but in his book, Bret said that Vince pretty much intended to make him look horrible and tear him down every week if he didn't leave. I could be mixing things up, but the book mentions something along those lines. He wanted to stay if the money promised was there and his character would be protected. (like I said.. I'm fuzzy right now) Why that though?? Why would Vince go out of his way to make Bret look back each week on Raw if he stayed with the WWE?? If Bret was gonna stay for less money, and not go to the competition, isn't that called 'loyalty"?? Especially after a year and a half before with Scott Hall and Kevin Nash up and leaving for the big money. I think Vince was moving in a direction that wouldn't suit Bret (much more adult content), so making someone uncomfortable in their job so they leave makes sense. That's pretty common in the real world, let alone when you owe millions (or whatever) on a contract. Bret, I believe, was pretty vocal on not approving of the direction of content. Maybe Vince just thought Bret leaving would be easier. |
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Post by Duck Holliday on Aug 24, 2015 0:45:48 GMT -5
Why that though?? Why would Vince go out of his way to make Bret look back each week on Raw if he stayed with the WWE?? If Bret was gonna stay for less money, and not go to the competition, isn't that called 'loyalty"?? Especially after a year and a half before with Scott Hall and Kevin Nash up and leaving for the big money. I think Vince was moving in a direction that wouldn't suit Bret (much more adult content), so making someone uncomfortable in their job so they leave makes sense. That's pretty common in the real world, let alone when you owe millions (or whatever) on a contract. Bret, I believe, was pretty vocal on not approving of the direction of content. Maybe Vince just thought Bret leaving would be easier. Additionally, we all know Bret took himself and the job seriously, so his pride would get in the way if it was true that Vice would make him look foolish every week. *shrug* |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 24, 2015 0:53:40 GMT -5
Why that though?? Why would Vince go out of his way to make Bret look back each week on Raw if he stayed with the WWE?? If Bret was gonna stay for less money, and not go to the competition, isn't that called 'loyalty"?? Especially after a year and a half before with Scott Hall and Kevin Nash up and leaving for the big money. I think Vince was moving in a direction that wouldn't suit Bret (much more adult content), so making someone uncomfortable in their job so they leave makes sense. That's pretty common in the real world, let alone when you owe millions (or whatever) on a contract. Bret, I believe, was pretty vocal on not approving of the direction of content. Maybe Vince just thought Bret leaving would be easier. You are right about that, Bret was not happy about the adult oriented themes at time for WWE TV. And when you think of 1998 or 1999, Bret Hart doesn't really fit into any of that. Even if Bret stayed, I don't see any more title runs for him. Vince was all about Austin, The Rock, Triple H, Mankind and only having Taker be the only veteran there to be still in the WWE Title picture. It's just too bad it took 2 years for WCW to know what to do with Bret Hart, and then a month later gets a concussion that ends his career. |
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Post by Duck Holliday on Aug 24, 2015 1:01:59 GMT -5
I think Vince was moving in a direction that wouldn't suit Bret (much more adult content), so making someone uncomfortable in their job so they leave makes sense. That's pretty common in the real world, let alone when you owe millions (or whatever) on a contract. Bret, I believe, was pretty vocal on not approving of the direction of content. Maybe Vince just thought Bret leaving would be easier. You are right about that, Bret was not happy about the adult oriented themes at time for WWE TV. And when you think of 1998 or 1999, Bret Hart doesn't really fit into any of that. Even if Bret stayed, I don't see any more title runs for him. Vince was all about Austin, The Rock, Triple H, Mankind and only having Taker be the only veteran there to be still in the WWE Title picture. It's just too bad it took 2 years for WCW to know what to do with Bret Hart, and then a month later gets a concussion that ends his career.I'm one of the only Bret fans that probably still really enjoyed his WCW run (some of his best mic work), but yeah it was clear they didn't know what to do with him. Thinking about the concussion pretty much always bums be out. I still can't but help fan-fantasize about what might have happened if he finished his run, took some time off... than being healthy maybe he'd be more willing to make peace with Vince and get a legit final run. |
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