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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 30, 2015 14:44:34 GMT -5
Reigns wasn't cheered at the 2014 RR because fans wanted him to win. They wanted anyone but Bastista to win. Same with Rusev during this years RR.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 14:48:31 GMT -5
The only fans I hate who Want Change but when they get it don't help it. And the fans who ruin promos... Or kids who scream through the whole match JJJJJOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNN CCCCCCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAA making it real annoying to listen too
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 17:47:33 GMT -5
'Hate' is a strong word, but regardless, I couldn't care less...I seek out what I enjoy in wrestling...other people's opinions have no bearing on it, same with my thoughts and preferences on music, TV, film, etc.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Sept 30, 2015 18:44:32 GMT -5
Honestly, it is annoying when I see certain people complain about a lot of what's going on RAW, but continue torturing themselves despite also having the option to change the channel or not watch. I did exactly that last week. Whatever I was not going to enjoy, I changed the channel to South Park and that made me enjoy RAW a little more because I didn't have to torture myself watching segments I knew I wasn't going to like. Now, not everyone thinks the same, so everyone shouldn't be in one group. I will agree that WWE is having big problems creatively. They have many talented wrestlers today with a few not so talented bunch. Certain wrestlers should already be in contention in the main event. For example, Ambrose, Cesaro, Wyatt, Reigns should all be in contention for the World Title. And yes, I actually mean that Reigns should be a contender for the World Title. I think he's earning his top guy spot, as well as the other three. Kevin Owens and Rusev should have been given more upper card feuds in order to be taken serious as a contender. Yes, feuding with Cena was horrible for those two (and Wyatt), but again, that's creative's fault. It's not necessarily "Oh, Cena has to lose the feud", because I believe Cena should have won the last match in the feud between him and Rusev and still be taken serious as a top heel. Owens, should have won the feud, but not cleanly. If Cena was going to go for the World Title at Summerslam, Rollins should have interfered in the rubber match between Owens/Cena and Owens should have won the US Belt and feuded with Cesaro over the title. As for the OP's post, do not group all of us under one group between like others have said here, everyone's opinions are different. Now I personally believe that unless Vince is no longer in charge, we won't see change, so instead of me complaining about it, I'll just watch what I enjoy and change the channel on segments I know I won't enjoy.
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Post by "The Perfect Ten" Mizard on Sept 30, 2015 18:47:39 GMT -5
I don't mind fans hating on wrestlers. It's what makes wrestling fun. If every wrestler was well liked by the fans wrestling would be boring.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Sept 30, 2015 20:24:09 GMT -5
I'm sick of the fans like you who seem to think that the internet is one collective unit. Unless you can prove to me that the same people are making contradicting complaints then this is all bullcrap. I'm not saying that it's all the internet fans so please read properly. I don't mind how people have opinions but most of them find a way to criticise everything Yeah but, again, you'd have to be able to prove that the people bitching "no matter what happens" (I'm not quoting you; just trying to sum up what you said) are the same for your point to be valid. So you would have go look at all the posts in all of the threads about the Royal Rumbles in question and quote, copy and paste those complaints into a new thread. That is assuming you can find anyone who actually complaining out of both sides of their mouth. I didn't mean to be a dick in my last post to you. It's just that we get these threads a lot and they based on an incorrect assumption. |
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Post by theMOESIAH on Sept 30, 2015 20:28:53 GMT -5
Honestly, it is annoying when I see certain people complain about a lot of what's going on RAW, but continue torturing themselves despite also having the option to change the channel or not watch. I did exactly that last week. Whatever I was not going to enjoy, I changed the channel to South Park and that made me enjoy RAW a little more because I didn't have to torture myself watching segments I knew I wasn't going to like. Now, not everyone thinks the same, so everyone shouldn't be in one group. I will agree that WWE is having big problems creatively. They have many talented wrestlers today with a few not so talented bunch. Certain wrestlers should already be in contention in the main event. For example, Ambrose, Cesaro, Wyatt, Reigns should all be in contention for the World Title. And yes, I actually mean that Reigns should be a contender for the World Title. I think he's earning his top guy spot, as well as the other three. Kevin Owens and Rusev should have been given more upper card feuds in order to be taken serious as a contender. Yes, feuding with Cena was horrible for those two (and Wyatt), but again, that's creative's fault. It's not necessarily "Oh, Cena has to lose the feud", because I believe Cena should have won the last match in the feud between him and Rusev and still be taken serious as a top heel. Owens, should have won the feud, but not cleanly. If Cena was going to go for the World Title at Summerslam, Rollins should have interfered in the rubber match between Owens/Cena and Owens should have won the US Belt and feuded with Cesaro over the title. As for the OP's post, do not group all of us under one group between like others have said here, everyone's opinions are different. Now I personally believe that unless Vince is no longer in charge, we won't see change, so instead of me complaining about it, I'll just watch what I enjoy and change the channel on segments I know I won't enjoy. I will say that for me, I want to be a fan. I don't watch regularly -- usually once a month and rarely ever more than twice month, if I watch at all -- because of the creative problems. But I do check back in from time to time going that they'll air something that catches my eye. They almost had something with the Russev/Ziggler feud but they botched the execution. I can't speak for anyone else, but speaking as someone who bashes WWE a lot, I don't watch just to have something to bitch about. |
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Sept 30, 2015 21:45:23 GMT -5
Honestly, it is annoying when I see certain people complain about a lot of what's going on RAW, but continue torturing themselves despite also having the option to change the channel or not watch. I did exactly that last week. Whatever I was not going to enjoy, I changed the channel to South Park and that made me enjoy RAW a little more because I didn't have to torture myself watching segments I knew I wasn't going to like. Now, not everyone thinks the same, so everyone shouldn't be in one group. I will agree that WWE is having big problems creatively. They have many talented wrestlers today with a few not so talented bunch. Certain wrestlers should already be in contention in the main event. For example, Ambrose, Cesaro, Wyatt, Reigns should all be in contention for the World Title. And yes, I actually mean that Reigns should be a contender for the World Title. I think he's earning his top guy spot, as well as the other three. Kevin Owens and Rusev should have been given more upper card feuds in order to be taken serious as a contender. Yes, feuding with Cena was horrible for those two (and Wyatt), but again, that's creative's fault. It's not necessarily "Oh, Cena has to lose the feud", because I believe Cena should have won the last match in the feud between him and Rusev and still be taken serious as a top heel. Owens, should have won the feud, but not cleanly. If Cena was going to go for the World Title at Summerslam, Rollins should have interfered in the rubber match between Owens/Cena and Owens should have won the US Belt and feuded with Cesaro over the title. As for the OP's post, do not group all of us under one group between like others have said here, everyone's opinions are different. Now I personally believe that unless Vince is no longer in charge, we won't see change, so instead of me complaining about it, I'll just watch what I enjoy and change the channel on segments I know I won't enjoy. I will say that for me, I want to be a fan. I don't watch regularly -- usually once a month and rarely ever more than twice month, if I watch at all -- because of the creative problems. But I do check back in from time to time going that they'll air something that catches my eye. They almost had something with the Russev/Ziggler feud but they botched the execution. I can't speak for anyone else, but speaking as someone who bashes WWE a lot, I don't watch just to have something to bitch about. I get where you're coming from. My reasoning for criticizing those who continue to watch regularly, even though they're not enjoying more than half the show is because I take wrestling as a hobby, maybe too much of a hobby. To me, a hobby is to be enjoyed. If I'm not enjoying my hobby, I'll be tortured, if that makes any sense. So when I'm not watching the current product, which now a days is only RAW on Mondays since I don't have Destination America anymore, I'm watching old school wrestling, the old TNA PPVs I recently discovered somewhere, etc. I don't want to feel tortured with my hobby if there's something on that I know I'm not going to enjoy. For example, I will always change the channel whenever Big Show is on the screen because I do not enjoy seeing him on TV. The only time in the past few months (that's not a PPV) that I stayed tuned for a Big Show segment was because Heyman was in that segment. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 21:46:49 GMT -5
Welcome to wfigs. Land of the fans you described.
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Post by Weemanv1 on Sept 30, 2015 23:32:14 GMT -5
Ugh. I'm so sick of this. Everyone has a different opinion, just because you saw a few guys complaining doesn't mean everyone hates everything. "If you don't like it, don't watch." seems to be working, because ratings are the lowest since 1997. I always found that phrase to be an asinine statement anyways. It's the equivalent of "America. Love it or leave it." I'm not going to give up on something that I love and believe in. This isn't NFL woes, this is a problem that is going to get worse if it's not addressed. This is a fact, not an opinion. The numbers aren't personal opinions, they are facts. They're using the nostalgia bandaid for now, but not building new stars is what's got them into this in the first place. Look at Bray Wyatt. He carried a whole WM fued by himself, and then an established star shows up, beats him clean, and the feud is never mentioned again. What does this say to a potential newer audience? That the stars of today aren't as good as the stars of the yesteryear. It's what helped kill WCW and it's what helped destroy TNA's credibility when the MEM made all of their stars look like chumps. John Cena won't be around forever. If he retired right now from in-ring action, they would have no one even close to his drawing ability. This isn't something that happened overnight, this has been culminating for years. Some people are just finally tapping out. I'm sure some will look at this post and sneer. Well, the numbers aren't lying and say all that really needs to be said. The low house show numbers, the declining ratings... Something isn't working, and there needs to be change. Real change this time, and not just repeating it on air a hundred times. I guess the point is "the whiny neckbeard basement living smarks" are far from the issue. WWE has a legitimate problem. And Reigns got cheered because he was literally anyone but Batista. I like Reigns, but if you think otherwise, you're delusional. Welp, that's about all that needs to be said. Might as well close this one down. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 30, 2015 23:57:47 GMT -5
To be fair, people only cheered for Roman Reigns in 2014 because they just didn't want Batista to win. I think there is some truth in your statement. But Reigns continued throughout the year to draw MAJOR cheers. Thats why WWE started to rush him to the main event of WM 31. They already saw star potential AND it was someone getting massive cheers from the crowd. Where it went wrong is what made Reigns so appealing was how he was the quiet bad ass. He just went out there and wrecked shit. They were able to shield, pardon the pun, his inadequacies in the ring with Rollins and Ambrose. Even after The Shield split, he had just enough in the ring to keep the hate dogs away, since he just went out there and wrecked shit. And then came the "Cena Makeover". He started to "superman". Nothing could beat him. He was never losing. His opponents were hitting all their big moves and finishers and Reigns and was still kicking out. Combine that with WWE putting a mic. in front of him and making him crack all these G rated awful jokes and insults.....people were seeing Cena 2.0. Fans are too intelligent to buy into that form of entertainment and will not accept it. They want characters that are flawed. They want characters that are relatable. So the boos began to reign.....second pun. |
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Post by Escape The Rules on Oct 1, 2015 6:36:53 GMT -5
Saying we wanted Reigns to win last year is like saying we wanted Rusev to win this year.
The kind of fans I can't stand are ones who are intolerant of the views of others. The last two Royal Rumbles were a shambles and almost everyone thinks so, but yeah, it's just that we're idiots and our opinions are wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 8:39:31 GMT -5
I was going to post but @monoxide23 did it for me
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Post by The IT Factor on Oct 2, 2015 15:18:50 GMT -5
Oh look, another "Why are people complaining about WWE?" thread. I hate this mentality that wrestling fans do nothing but bitch about wrestling, because that's far from the truth. Wrestling fans bitch about a bad wrestling product that has no reason to be bad. Look at the reaction to Lucha Underground on the internet. Do you see countless complaints being thrown at it? No, you don't. Because Lucha Underground doesn't insult their fans intelligence every single week. Lucha Underground didn't make people feel like they wasted their time watching the show every single week, and most importantly, Lucha Underground  ing tries. WWE has possibly the most talented roster they ever had. And they do absolutely nothing with it. And the show has the same old crap happen, every single week, with little to no effort put in. That's why the fans "bitch," that's why the fans "complain," it's because they are sick of seeing talented wrestlers get shoved aside for the likes of Big Show and Kane, and they are sick of seeing the number 1 wrestling company in the world, put no ing effort into making their show worth watching. The fans have every right to make their displeasure with the product known. If the fans spend their time watching WWE, and if they don't like what they see, they have every right to tell WWE, that the show sucks. What should they do? Shut up, and enjoy the show? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 17:01:06 GMT -5
Don't like WWE right now? Do what I do and watch NOAH and PWG until I can't find anymore.
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Post by ellisd on Oct 2, 2015 17:46:11 GMT -5
When I went to the house show a couple weeks ago and was sat beside a 6 or 7 year old kid and his parents I was transported back to when it was just fun to watch wrestling and cheer the faces and boo the heels. I miss it, I hate what the internet has done to me as a fan really. I'm right there with ya |
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Oct 2, 2015 17:48:53 GMT -5
Don't like WWE right now? Do what I do and watch NOAH and PWG until I can't find anymore. Or ROH or NJPW... There are actually so many options available for wrestling fans to access wrestling. I think even Chikara and CZW have some sort of on demand service now. I don't think there has ever been as much easily accessible wrestling available for those that may want it. |
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Oct 2, 2015 18:01:51 GMT -5
I seem to remember it being Bryan people were pissed about?
Reigns not so much.
I dont hate on people who complain, its just futile to complain really, I keep saying the same thing the show is what it is, enjoy it, your critic as an internet "smark" isnt gonna change jack.
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