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Post by Rule 30 on Nov 1, 2015 15:26:15 GMT -5
1. The fact that Total Divas is still a thing 2. WWE over-relying on old guys and wondering why ratings tank when they're not around 3. Fans that complain about everything WWE does and fans that defend everything that WWE does, they make legitimate discussion impossible to have 4. 95% of the characters on the WWE main roster having no motivation 5. Chad Gable not being WWE World Heavyweight Champion
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 15:39:35 GMT -5
Yeah, but they both requested to go back down to NXT. Emma would of probably been sent back down if she didn't ask anyway. And Cameron probably still wouldn't be here. Umm, okay. None of that is still relevant to NXT people supposedly not getting pushed or John Cena. What I meant was NXT stars who go up to the MAIN ROSTER or underrated stars do not get as pushed as much or job to Cena.
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Post by AmericanMadeLesGold on Nov 1, 2015 16:04:10 GMT -5
John Cena and Miz.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 16:12:54 GMT -5
Young Bucks is definately one for me. But they don't grind my gears as much as some, because I've seen dozens of indy-flash-in-the-pans just like them over the past 10 years or so, thanks to the Internet. Negative fans who hate everything, yet watch every week. Moany morons who think they can book better, but can't. Anybody who tries to argue that Paige is a success, Paige deserves a push, Paige is a good worker etc. or generally anybody who is delusioned that she was a massive flop. 6 man tag matches on RAW, generally. PEOPLE WHO ARGUE THAT WWE SHOULD CHANGE/IMPROVE THEIR PRODUCT BY DRAWING COMPARISONS TO TIMES GONE BY AND/OR OTHER WRESTLING COMPANIES THAT WWE WOULDNT EVER ACKNOWLEDGE! All wrestling scoop/news pages. I refuse to call them dirt sheets, because a true fan knows what a dirt sheet is. And a website ran by some fat kid, conjuring rumours out of assumption and feeding them to gullible fans, that is NOT a dirt sheet. Fans who go to extremes to boo the babyfaces because they prefer the heels. Like, okay, you prefer Kevin Owens, but what the hell did Ryback ever do to anyone? Roman Reigns haters, at least 80% of whom wanted Reigns as the next top guy, angered at the other 20% because it never worked out, so in turn, they boo Roman and become part of a blind statistic. I don't like Roman Reigns at all these days if I'm honest, but Id never run him down online, and I wouldn't boo him live. What's the point? People who refuse to believe. Yes. Believe. I don't mean believing Santa is real, I mean people who refuse to believe the product enough to enjoy it. People who are so stubbornly offended by their apparent displeasure of the weekly product that they can no longer allow themselves to let go and indulge fully in what they are watching, thus reducing their enjoyment even further. Basically, most of what I find annoying about wrestling is the fans. And yet, I come online and interact with thousands of them. What am I doing with my life, eh
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 16:59:33 GMT -5
Fans thinking guys like Cesaro or Kevin Owens should be main event guys. Some of the greatest of all time were not main event guys. It's ok to not be in the main event. These guys are good, but not show runners. Fans thinking NXT is some godsend. Every episode I've ever seen is just squash matches and then you get a semi-decent Special with one really good match every couple of months. The lack of charisma in the WWE roster. The fact WWE constantly push the Attitude Era as being the best of all time instead of trying to do better. People who think that wrestling > storytelling. The story sells the fight. If you can't talk, or sell the fight, I don't care. Sasha Banks being ignored because of Ric Flair-lite. Hell, even Jay Lethal was a better Ric Flair. Stars not protecting kayfabe and getting away with it. The Undertaker, Lesnar and even Rusev/Lana (Kevin Owens too) seem to fully grasp the storytelling and if I met these people, I'd think they were the character. They're that damn good at projecting the story. Yet Bayley and Sasha Banks cry because they've put on another good match. Sasha hates Bayley and tries to break her arm, yet cries and is all happy with Bayley after she pins her? Makes no sense. Owens is a god damn star and makes everything he does must see.....dude should be in the main event scene anywhere he goes because he deserves to be there. Owens/Cena didn't become the highest drawing house show fued in years because of John Cena. That was purely on Owens. Other then that small comment i agree with everything you said. So many things wrong with this. Cena has been the work horse of 2015, for starters. Cenas credibility as a veteran main eventer is what elevated the importance of the match. Cena coming out of a solid winning feud over Rusev prior to the feud, as well as Cena putting Owens over in their first match (because let's face it, Cena will put over anyone in a barnstormer these days) were all factors that made Owens such an instant hit on the main roster. It was far from being "purely on Owens". We all defend the underdog but that's delusional. If Owens got a match/feud of the year candidate and topped WWE gate attendance, fresh off his debut, except instead with of a middle of the pile workhorse such as Ziggler, for example, and not Cena (the company's #1 draw for over a decade, and WWEs top star) then I would see your point when it comes to things such as "house show draws"... He didn't win the feud, but it did far more for Owens than it did for Cena. Owens played a vital part in holding himself well enough to get a accelerated push into NXT and then onto the main event scene, but once he's there, he's just another worker following directions. At that point, Cena plays a far more vital role. Yes, Kevin Owens held his own in their amazing matches over the summer, and is one hell of a worker. We all jump to defend him and rightly so, but to quote you sir, "other than that small comment I agree with what you're saying".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 17:03:49 GMT -5
no build up to ppvs, the same matches happen every week...why should i watch the ppv?
the same feuds over and over
random heel/face flops
big show running into the corner ring post every single match
ryback
the divas
no brand split....this needs to happen so badly.
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Post by jakksking1 on Nov 1, 2015 17:22:15 GMT -5
1) Lack of build to major events and matches 2) Giving away matches that are occurring at the next PPV on Raw. Recent example, Kane vs Rollins the week before HIAC. Countless others. 3) Fans who refuse to believe being TV-PG puts limits on storytelling and character development 4) Midcard and lower tier wrestlers not having storylines or characters.
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Post by The Dave on Nov 1, 2015 17:28:29 GMT -5
1) Social media 2) JBL 3) Kevin Owens' Kool-Aid 4) Nikki Bella still hasn't put me in a 45 minute head scissor hold 5) Rivals wrestling each other multiple times a week on TV before the PPV 6) Sting vs. Undertaker 7) Paige has yet to fall out of her top 8) Fans who are shocked when their NXT faves wrestle a different style of match on the main roster 9) Charlotte/Chick Flair 10) Big Show's iron-clad contract / Mark Henry's abundance in the tank
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Post by Brad on Nov 1, 2015 18:11:06 GMT -5
5. Social media killing the mystique of the roster.
4. Over reliance on older guys
3. Improper handling of mid card champs
2. Commentators not focusing on the match at hand.
1. Same matches over and over
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Post by 500DaysofNight on Nov 1, 2015 18:32:52 GMT -5
Big Show still being a big part of the show
The fact that you really can tell when Vince gets bored with someone
JBL's commentary
Randy Orton/Sheamus matches
I'm sure there's more, but that's all I can think of.
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Post by Yayo on Nov 1, 2015 18:58:10 GMT -5
1. Not building new stars/over reliance on Cena. Main reason I always stop watching for months on end 2. The commentary. Everyone is terrible. Especially Lawler 3. Storylines all feel incredibly hollow. 4. Going off of three, nothing seems "real" anymore. Backstage segments come off incredibly forced, and every promo occurring in the ring with two guys sparring gets incredibly boring. It used to be a lot more entertaining when there was more set pieces and wrestlers used to do more than just belittle each other to build a feud. 5. 50/50 booking, and the same guys having a match every single week before having another match at the PPV. Why would anyone be excited when Sunday rolls around if you've seen every match 15 times that month?
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Post by Next Man’s No 503K on Nov 1, 2015 19:04:44 GMT -5
1) Full Sail type fans. 2) WWE's insistence on loading the shows with boring workrate filler matches rather than establishing stories and characters.
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Post by GoldLust on Nov 1, 2015 19:30:25 GMT -5
4) Fans that constantly complain that "WWE is not the same anymore (PG Era)". That statement is not false. Attitude era is long gone and it is likely never coming back. WWE was a privately held corporation back than and now it is a Publicly traded company. They now have to worry about what image their product creates so business doesnt drop. Also, times have changed since than. Soceity as a whole has become so protective over their children that attitude era would likely fail in todays market and it would be the parents who watched it growing up complaining that its not for their kids to watch. Enjoy the product we have or just stop watching it. No one needs to hear your complaints.
3) Give Divas more time for story telling. WWE did a good job with this at HIAC divas match. Charlotte and Nikki had a good amount of time to tell their story. This needs to continue to RAW and other WWE shows. Have multiple diva matches per show and give them more then 4 minutes to show their telents in the ring.
2) The lack of top stars being made by WWE because they focused on Cena too much in the past 10 years. I like Cena and I thibk he is a good wrestler but they pushed him way too much where they forgot to build others. WWE needs to focus on the future of their product and start building other top stars. At this moment, i would hate to see 10 years from now raw Legends anniversary show. It would have only one A-lister legend of John Cena.
1) People commenting "Wrestling is Fake": I obviously know that especially since I have been watching for over 22 years. I like it but somehow that statement is not good enough for some people. They want to make their point clear that its preplanned and that its not a sport. I always state one thing though. "You cant fake gravity and it hurts a lot but its sports entertainment."
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Post by The Champ is Here! on Nov 1, 2015 19:51:28 GMT -5
Amazed at the young bucks hate in here
5. Fans who get crappy about who you like. We all have different tastes, just cause you like some i hate or vice versa doesn't mean you need to get nasty or mean about it. ( great example, i love the young bucks, but 2 people in this thread hate them, thats cool)
4. Cena...well, really, just the refusal to make new stars period
3. Silas Young...a waste of space
2. Fans who boo faces and cheer heels just to piss others off
1. WWE booking...i have not watched a raw since wm, and a ppv since july...and probably wont until the rumble...its just SSDD with them
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Post by A-Rob on Nov 1, 2015 19:58:53 GMT -5
Excellent article The Kevstaaa I completely agree with you on the sameness of NJPW booking. Kota Ibushi needs to be elevated and Nakamura needs to be IWGP champion next summer. The Jr. division needs to be revamped as well. My list; Eva Marie - needs to be fired, they are putting their eggs in a bottomless basket, fire her asap. The Booking - nobody is getting over since everyone trades wins and loses. The main roster women - stop calling them "Divas", get a new belt that doesn't look like a baby toy and blow up the division and build it from the ground up. It's not that hard. 3 hour Raws - it's self explanatory.
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Post by PattyRickRick on Nov 1, 2015 20:13:20 GMT -5
No Order Meaningless Title Reigns Meaningless Storylines Sheamus Main Roster Divas Booking No one will understand this but Lukas Sharpe from Northeast Wrestling
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Post by Seoul Survivor on Nov 1, 2015 20:51:02 GMT -5
When somebody whips their opponent into the ropes and then bends over. When does that EVER work out?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 22:03:17 GMT -5
Amazed at the young bucks hate in here 5. Fans who get crappy about who you like. We all have different tastes, just cause you like some i hate or vice versa doesn't mean you need to get nasty or mean about it. ( great example, i love the young bucks, but 2 people in this thread hate them, thats cool)4. Cena...well, really, just the refusal to make new stars period 3. Silas Young...a waste of space 2. Fans who boo faces and cheer heels just to piss others off 1. WWE booking...i have not watched a raw since wm, and a ppv since july...and probably wont until the rumble...its just SSDD with them YES I agree with that you can't praise a talent without someone trying to ruin the moment for you.
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Post by TheChamp420 on Nov 1, 2015 22:03:20 GMT -5
3 hour 10 min Raws annoy me
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Post by Sizzle on Nov 1, 2015 22:18:28 GMT -5
1) Lack of build to major events and matches 2) Giving away matches that are occurring at the next PPV on Raw. Recent example, Kane vs Rollins the week before HIAC. Countless others. 3) Fans who refuse to believe being TV-PG puts limits on storytelling and character development4) Midcard and lower tier wrestlers not having storylines or characters. But how does it? I agree with everything else you said, but that stands out. Many movies/TV Shows have told great stories with a PG rating or less.
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