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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Dec 22, 2015 17:48:32 GMT -5
If there just gonna except him later that year? Like seriously, could they not of just accepted him from the start so WWE didn't have to pull a fast one and have Rollins cash in so the PPV dosent end up with people booing Reigns. We literally had to endure the worst champion of all time (Rollins) because the HARDCORE crowd didn't like Reigns. Look, It dosent matter if you like Rollins or not, I thought he was badass in the Sheild, but his title reign was the WOAT and the WOAT ratings prove this. He couldn't even beat a guy like ing Neville clean, he would run away at every match and every single ing week we would hear the same promo with his super annoying voice. Such an awful year. Message to anyone who booed Reigns: why? Why did you make us endure the WOAT year until YOU exact same people would except him? Why couldn't you of just accepted him in the first place? It is NOT a coincidence the ratings were huge the one night he won the belt. Don't give me the crap that 'he's improved', if anything he's gone worse other than he now jumps over the rope to make the Indy marks happy. Accept*.
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Post by Sizzle on Dec 22, 2015 17:52:33 GMT -5
Oh no, not this again...
Don't like the product? Stop watching, alright?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 17:52:38 GMT -5
Also, Seth Rollins beat Neville clean for the OP's information. While the booking of his title reign wasn't great, he still had good to great matches with Neville, Cena, Ambrose and others. I get that people want to put the blame on Seth for the ratings, but I blame the product much more than the champion. The whole controversy with the ref counting to three when his leg was clearly on the rope was clean? Maybe I'm just remembering things. I never said he didn't have great matches, great matches don't make people tune in sadly, interesting and compelling feuds and characters do, for that you need to be good on the mic, which he wasn't. And by blaming the product you are greatly blaming Seth since it was greatly based around him since he was th champion. He had open mic time nearly ever RAW and flopped hard.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 17:53:13 GMT -5
Because, simply put, he was not ready. He hadn't proven himself in the ring, he hadn't proven himself on the mic (still hasn't), and people could tell that his push was being forced onto us because he was (and is) their next big "guy". People have opinions. They're allowed to voice them. This. This is the exact reason why I booed him. Also, I see this thread going downhill fast.
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Post by Planktung on Dec 22, 2015 17:55:28 GMT -5
To answer the question as to why people booed Roman Reigns if they were just going to accept him a year later, it's called progress. Roman has made immense progress over the past year as an in-ring performer. It's not uncommon at all for someone to win the masses over by just doing their job.
BUT, I still think that his character is awful and not at all the representation of a top babyface.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 17:57:50 GMT -5
I can't recall actually booing Reigns personally. I thought he wasn't ready at the start of the year, having only one singles PPV match under his belt (vs. Orton at SummerSlam) and it wasn't very good. However, he spent 2015 putting on impressive performance after impressive performance, earning my respect. His character is still pretty lame and his mic skills are garbage, but when it comes to in ring work, Roman Reigns won me over, just as I hoped he would. He didn't win you over with Sheild vs Wyatts? What about Sheild vs Evolution? I don't think his matches have been that great this year, nothing compared to those two. Brock vs Reigns probably but all he did was get beat down. Brock vs Bryan was good but that was still when people were shitting on him, so that match obviously didn't change people's opinion, if it did they wouldn't of booed him at Mania. Hell, that match only happened because people were shitting on him. During the Summerslam tag match he was sleeping. Roman vs Wyatt just had useless table spots. Dean vs Roman was like a 5 minute match and Reigns vs Sheamus was awful. What are you specifically talking about?
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Dec 22, 2015 18:00:29 GMT -5
I can't recall actually booing Reigns personally. I thought he wasn't ready at the start of the year, having only one singles PPV match under his belt (vs. Orton at SummerSlam) and it wasn't very good. However, he spent 2015 putting on impressive performance after impressive performance, earning my respect. His character is still pretty lame and his mic skills are garbage, but when it comes to in ring work, Roman Reigns won me over, just as I hoped he would. He didn't win you over with Sheild vs Wyatts? What about Sheild vs Evolution? I don't think his matches have been that great this year, nothing compared to those two. Brock vs Reigns probably but all he did was get beat down. Brock vs Bryan was good but that was still when people were crapting on him, so that match obviously didn't change people's opinion, if it did they wouldn't of booed him at Mania. Hell, that match only happened because people were crapting on him. During the Summerslam tag match he was sleeping. Roman vs Wyatt just had useless table spots. Dean vs Roman was like a 5 minute match and Reigns vs Sheamus was awful. What are you specifically talking about? He was one of three members of The Sheild. Wyatt's happened to have two really solid in ring performers, as does Evolution.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 18:04:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 18:09:01 GMT -5
He didn't win you over with Sheild vs Wyatts? What about Sheild vs Evolution? I don't think his matches have been that great this year, nothing compared to those two. Brock vs Reigns probably but all he did was get beat down. Brock vs Bryan was good but that was still when people were crapting on him, so that match obviously didn't change people's opinion, if it did they wouldn't of booed him at Mania. Hell, that match only happened because people were crapting on him. During the Summerslam tag match he was sleeping. Roman vs Wyatt just had useless table spots. Dean vs Roman was like a 5 minute match and Reigns vs Sheamus was awful. What are you specifically talking about? He was one of three members of The Sheild. Wyatt's happened to have two really solid in ring performers, as does Evolution. I really have no idea what you're getting at. Yes he was in the Sheild, yes the Wyatts have 2 good workers, yes all of Evolution are good workers....so? Are you implying this makes Roman good or bad or what?
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Post by gawd6sic6™ on Dec 22, 2015 18:09:11 GMT -5
I hate that I'm going to use this... but..
Why did people boo Rocky Maivia at first and chant things like die rocky die. If all they were going to do is cheer him later?
It's called character development, warming up to the character, changing your mind, free thought... I can keep going. But if you just want to keep trolling have a blasty blast!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 18:09:21 GMT -5
He didn't win you over with Sheild vs Wyatts? What about Sheild vs Evolution? I don't think his matches have been that great this year, nothing compared to those two. Brock vs Reigns probably but all he did was get beat down. Brock vs Bryan was good but that was still when people were crapting on him, so that match obviously didn't change people's opinion, if it did they wouldn't of booed him at Mania. Hell, that match only happened because people were crapting on him. During the Summerslam tag match he was sleeping. Roman vs Wyatt just had useless table spots. Dean vs Roman was like a 5 minute match and Reigns vs Sheamus was awful. What are you specifically talking about? He was one of three members of The Sheild. Wyatt's happened to have two really solid in ring performers, as does Evolution. I really have no idea what you're getting at. Yes he was in the Sheild, yes the Wyatts have 2 good workers, yes all of Evolution are good workers....so? Are you implying this makes Roman good or bad or what?
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Dec 22, 2015 18:10:28 GMT -5
He was one of three members of The Sheild. Wyatt's happened to have two really solid in ring performers, as does Evolution. I really have no idea what you're getting at. Yes he was in the Sheild, yes the Wyatts have 2 good workers, yes all of Evolution are good workers....so? Are you implying this makes Roman good or bad or what? Im getting at his faults were hidden by the people around him and that the matches impressed people not Roman himself.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 18:14:00 GMT -5
I hate that I'm going to use this... but.. Why did people boo Rocky Maivia at first and chant things like die rocky die. If all they were going to do is cheer him later? It's called character development, warming up to the character, changing your mind, free thought... I can keep going. But if you just want to keep trolling have a blasty blast! That comparison is absolutely ridiculous. Rock went for a generic bland forgettable face to the most charismatic wrestler of all time. Roman went from sufferin succotash to tatortots..same move set, same promos, same attire, same entrance...what's changed for you to make such a big comparison?
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 22, 2015 18:15:37 GMT -5
Also, Seth Rollins beat Neville clean for the OP's information. While the booking of his title reign wasn't great, he still had good to great matches with Neville, Cena, Ambrose and others. I get that people want to put the blame on Seth for the ratings, but I blame the product much more than the champion. The whole controversy with the ref counting to three when his leg was clearly on the rope was clean? Maybe I'm just remembering things. I never said he didn't have great matches, great matches don't make people tune in sadly, interesting and compelling feuds and characters do, for that you need to be good on the mic, which he wasn't. And by blaming the product you are greatly blaming Seth since it was greatly based around him since he was th champion. He had open mic time nearly ever RAW and flopped hard. There wasn't controversy in that match. Neville hit his finish and Seth got his foot on the ropes. Neville went for it again and failed. Seth beat him clean. I can't recall actually booing Reigns personally. I thought he wasn't ready at the start of the year, having only one singles PPV match under his belt (vs. Orton at SummerSlam) and it wasn't very good. However, he spent 2015 putting on impressive performance after impressive performance, earning my respect. His character is still pretty lame and his mic skills are garbage, but when it comes to in ring work, Roman Reigns won me over, just as I hoped he would. He didn't win you over with Sheild vs Wyatts? What about Sheild vs Evolution? I don't think his matches have been that great this year, nothing compared to those two. Brock vs Reigns probably but all he did was get beat down. Brock vs Bryan was good but that was still when people were crapting on him, so that match obviously didn't change people's opinion, if it did they wouldn't of booed him at Mania. Hell, that match only happened because people were crapting on him. During the Summerslam tag match he was sleeping. Roman vs Wyatt just had useless table spots. Dean vs Roman was like a 5 minute match and Reigns vs Sheamus was awful. What are you specifically talking about? His performances in Shield vs. Wyatts and Shield vs. Evolution were both great. However, in order to be a top guy, you have to deliver in singles matches. He only had one high profile singles match before 2015. His performance in the Royal Rumble was garbage. vs. Daniel Bryan, I gave both guys tons of credit and consider it the best Reigns singles match ever. vs. Brock Lesnar, yes he took a beating but he did more. He sold well, hit Brock nearly as hard as he got hit and they told a good story. vs. Big Show, while not great, was a good match that won the rough Chicago crowd over against the awful Big Show. At Payback, it wasn't a singles match, but he was part of a great Fatal Four way match. At Battleground, he and Bray had a good match. The SummerSlam and Night of Champions matches were fun tags, but nothing special. I believe the Hell in a Cell bout with Bray Wyatt was pretty great and better than Show/Undertaker. The last two PPVs, with matches against Del Rio, Ambrose and Sheamus were all solid but unspectacular. I'd say that's a much better resume than he had when coming into 2015.
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Post by gawd6sic6™ on Dec 22, 2015 18:18:03 GMT -5
I hate that I'm going to use this... but.. Why did people boo Rocky Maivia at first and chant things like die rocky die. If all they were going to do is cheer him later? It's called character development, warming up to the character, changing your mind, free thought... I can keep going. But if you just want to keep trolling have a blasty blast! That comparison is absolutely ridiculous. Rock went for a generic bland forgettable face to the most charismatic wrestler of all time. Roman went from sufferin succotash to tatortots..same move set, same promos, same attire, same entrance...what's changed for you to make such a big comparison? What changed is what matters the most. The fans opinion. For both situations. And if you can't accept that, then I don't know what to tell you. But I'm finished here. Have fun.
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Post by Sizzle on Dec 22, 2015 18:21:57 GMT -5
I hate that I'm going to use this... but.. Why did people boo Rocky Maivia at first and chant things like die rocky die. If all they were going to do is cheer him later? It's called character development, warming up to the character, changing your mind, free thought... I can keep going. But if you just want to keep trolling have a blasty blast! That comparison is absolutely ridiculous. Rock went for a generic bland forgettable face to the most charismatic wrestler of all time. Roman went from sufferin succotash to tatortots..same move set, same promos, same attire, same entrance...what's changed for you to make such a big comparison? He went from tater tot to badass. Another good and recent comparison is New Day. They went from preachers without a cause who clapped to power of positivity, and being themselves.
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Post by tiny04 on Dec 22, 2015 18:23:21 GMT -5
When he won the Rumble, he sucked. He hadn't earned his position. Didn't have a list of great singles matches to warrant his push. It felt forced. Over the year, he has had a number of good matches and has earned some people's respect. Simple. His character, whatever his character even is, still ing sucks. He still can't talk. He sucks a bit less now. I still don't think his abilities warrant his current position. His character is dreadful. I just can't get behind him and don't think I ever will. He has good matches which has action I can enjoy. I just can't get emotionally invested in his matches. And if I do, it's for the other guy. Emotional investment is a massive part of it for me and he doesn't give me it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 18:26:46 GMT -5
The whole controversy with the ref counting to three when his leg was clearly on the rope was clean? Maybe I'm just remembering things. I never said he didn't have great matches, great matches don't make people tune in sadly, interesting and compelling feuds and characters do, for that you need to be good on the mic, which he wasn't. And by blaming the product you are greatly blaming Seth since it was greatly based around him since he was th champion. He had open mic time nearly ever RAW and flopped hard. There wasn't controversy in that match. Neville hit his finish and Seth got his foot on the ropes. Neville went for it again and failed. Seth beat him clean. He didn't win you over with Sheild vs Wyatts? What about Sheild vs Evolution? I don't think his matches have been that great this year, nothing compared to those two. Brock vs Reigns probably but all he did was get beat down. Brock vs Bryan was good but that was still when people were crapting on him, so that match obviously didn't change people's opinion, if it did they wouldn't of booed him at Mania. Hell, that match only happened because people were crapting on him. During the Summerslam tag match he was sleeping. Roman vs Wyatt just had useless table spots. Dean vs Roman was like a 5 minute match and Reigns vs Sheamus was awful. What are you specifically talking about? His performances in Shield vs. Wyatts and Shield vs. Evolution were both great. However, in order to be a top guy, you have to deliver in singles matches. He only had one high profile singles match before 2015. His performance in the Royal Rumble was garbage. vs. Daniel Bryan, I gave both guys tons of credit and consider it the best Reigns singles match ever. vs. Brock Lesnar, yes he took a beating but he did more. He sold well, hit Brock nearly as hard as he got hit and they told a good story. vs. Big Show, while not great, was a good match that won the rough Chicago crowd over against the awful Big Show. At Payback, it wasn't a singles match, but he was part of a great Fatal Four way match. At Battleground, he and Bray had a good match. The SummerSlam and Night of Champions matches were fun tags, but nothing special. I believe the Hell in a Cell bout with Bray Wyatt was pretty great and better than Show/Undertaker. The last two PPVs, with matches against Del Rio, Ambrose and Sheamus were all solid but unspectacular. I'd say that's a much better resume than he had when coming into 2015. But didnt he actually hit three? Wouldn't that count because in the past wrestlers have lost even though there feet were on the rope? could that match against Bryan not been enough for people to not boo him so he could get his title and ratings wouldn't be down the gutter? Not that that'd be definite, but Rollins title Reign lost thousands, and the one night he wins it there's a massive spike. Just going from what I've seen. I don't know about those ratings, his match with Show was a legit spotfest, isn't that why you hate the Young Bucks? Four way dosent count since he already had amazing multi man matches. Neither do the tag matches. All that's left is Bray vs Reigns where I found they were just going through tables for the sake of that. Reigns vs Del Rio flopped hard and Ambrose vs Reigns was a huge disappointment and even the people in attendance were confused at how short it was, until Sheamus cashed in. I don't Show, Wyatts and two tournament matches is a huge resume. And with the Wyatt, Del Rio and Ambrose matches all the smarks were still vocally on the others side. I also don't remember Big Show and Undertaker having a match at HIAC.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 18:30:26 GMT -5
That comparison is absolutely ridiculous. Rock went for a generic bland forgettable face to the most charismatic wrestler of all time. Roman went from sufferin succotash to tatortots..same move set, same promos, same attire, same entrance...what's changed for you to make such a big comparison? What changed is what matters the most. The fans opinion. For both situations. And if you can't accept that, then I don't know what to tell you. But I'm finished here. Have fun. Well duh...obviously the fans opinion changed, I'm asking why they couldn't of had the same opinion going into the rumble so WWE weren't forced to change plans. Don't know what makes you feel this thread isn't serious when I've presented a legit arguement, but whatever, can't please everybody.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 22, 2015 18:33:51 GMT -5
There wasn't controversy in that match. Neville hit his finish and Seth got his foot on the ropes. Neville went for it again and failed. Seth beat him clean. His performances in Shield vs. Wyatts and Shield vs. Evolution were both great. However, in order to be a top guy, you have to deliver in singles matches. He only had one high profile singles match before 2015. His performance in the Royal Rumble was garbage. vs. Daniel Bryan, I gave both guys tons of credit and consider it the best Reigns singles match ever. vs. Brock Lesnar, yes he took a beating but he did more. He sold well, hit Brock nearly as hard as he got hit and they told a good story. vs. Big Show, while not great, was a good match that won the rough Chicago crowd over against the awful Big Show. At Payback, it wasn't a singles match, but he was part of a great Fatal Four way match. At Battleground, he and Bray had a good match. The SummerSlam and Night of Champions matches were fun tags, but nothing special. I believe the Hell in a Cell bout with Bray Wyatt was pretty great and better than Show/Undertaker. The last two PPVs, with matches against Del Rio, Ambrose and Sheamus were all solid but unspectacular. I'd say that's a much better resume than he had when coming into 2015. But didnt he actually hit three? Wouldn't that count because in the past wrestlers have lost even though there feet were on the rope? could that match against Bryan not been enough for people to not boo him so he could get his title and ratings wouldn't be down the gutter? Not that that'd be definite, but Rollins title Reign lost thousands, and the one night he wins it there's a massive spike. Just going from what I've seen. I don't know about those ratings, his match with Show was a legit spotfest, isn't that why you hate the Young Bucks? Four way dosent count since he already had amazing multi man matches. Neither do the tag matches. All that's left is Bray vs Reigns where I found they were just going through tables for the sake of that. Reigns vs Del Rio flopped hard and Ambrose vs Reigns was a huge disappointment and even the people in attendance were confused at how short it was, until Sheamus cashed in. I don't Show, Wyatts and two tournament matches is a huge resume. And with the Wyatt, Del Rio and Ambrose matches all the smarks were still vocally on the others side. I also don't remember Big Show and Undertaker having a match at HIAC. The referee didn't hit three. It was incredibly close from what I Remember. On the topic of the change of heart, I can't speak for the Philly crowd. I've been warming to Reigns, outside of his character and mic skills, all year long. I wasn't a fan of the angle that earned him the title or the episode of Raw, but I wasn't upset by it. He earned it.
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