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Post by kazoosandstreamers on Apr 7, 2016 20:17:54 GMT -5
The price is going to go up to $99.99 now.
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Post by Word™ on Apr 7, 2016 20:46:16 GMT -5
I didn't read anything in there that said we could lose the network He isnt wrong here Vince really fu*ked the talent over with royalties by creating the network Its only right those guys get paid Those guys already got paid.. They also signed away their likeness in their original contract. This guy has always been salty towards the WWE.. He's a giant baby. |
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Post by dadlife316 on Apr 7, 2016 20:59:02 GMT -5
The Network won't go away because of this. Even if these guys win, they'll end up getting a fraction of a cent for everytime their likeness is watched by a subscriber.
In theory, there would be an amount allocated to talent, just like they have for dvd sales, and that amount would be divided among the participating talent.
For example, if I pay $9.99 and 10% is allocated to talent, the talent would received $0.99 of my subscription fee. But if 100 different wrestlers likeness were shown, then each wrestler would received $0.0009 of my subscription fee.
The biggest issue I see for these guys is how it's going to be tracked and who gets what. Whose likeness was shown how many times to how many subscribers? Do bigger names get a bigger cut or is it even? Streaming services like Spotify have been in numerous disputes over payments for plays because accurate tracking for streaming is allegedly difficult.
An additional question would be, can a past performer opt out?
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Post by dadlife316 on Apr 7, 2016 21:11:36 GMT -5
Reading the actual complaint now and the booking contract says that 25% of NET proceeds for PPV and Non PPV videos goes to a talent pool. So up the percentage in my example but these guys won't end up getting much in the long run.
For the most part class actions are for attorneys to get paid.
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Post by cmiller79 on Apr 7, 2016 21:20:54 GMT -5
I didn't read anything in there that said we could lose the network He isnt wrong here Vince really fu*ked the talent over with royalties by creating the network Its only right those guys get paid Those guys already got paid.. They also signed away their likeness in their original contract. This guy has always been salty towards the WWE.. He's a giant baby. so then why even have royalties at all if that's the case? I agree about him I never liked him and I'm surprised someone as low level talent as he was is the first one to put the wheels in motion for this case I figured it was coming but I expected it to be from a bigger name |
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Post by dadlife316 on Apr 7, 2016 21:29:48 GMT -5
What's more interesting is there are no other Plaintiffs in the complaint, but they are setting a very broad standard of who should be certified in this class. Im wondering there are more coming and these guys jumped in with just Renee to be first.
Paying royalties for the Network going forward for WWE won't be a problem caused from this, the big issue could be the punitive damages, if awarded, against WWE for breach of contract. Duprees booking agreement does specify royalties for technology not yet in existence. So if no one is getting paid for Netflix and the Network that's arguably breach of contract.
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Post by cmiller79 on Apr 7, 2016 22:10:50 GMT -5
What's more interesting is there are no other Plaintiffs in the complaint, but they are setting a very broad standard of who should be certified in this class. Im wondering there are more coming and these guys jumped in with just Renee to be first. Paying royalties for the Network going forward for WWE won't be a problem caused from this, the big issue could be the punitive damages, if awarded, against WWE for breach of contract. Duprees booking agreement does specify royalties for technology not yet in existence. So if no one is getting paid for Netflix and the Network that's arguably breach of contract. I expect more guys will jump in on the suit He is just spearheading the whole thing |
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Post by JC Motors on Apr 7, 2016 22:31:24 GMT -5
This is frivolous
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Post by Word™ on Apr 7, 2016 22:35:12 GMT -5
Those guys already got paid.. They also signed away their likeness in their original contract. This guy has always been salty towards the WWE.. He's a giant baby. so then why even have royalties at all if that's the case? I agree about him I never liked him and I'm surprised someone as low level talent as he was is the first one to put the wheels in motion for this case I figured it was coming but I expected it to be from a bigger name Royalties come from merchandise I assume.. Something the WWE Network is not. I don't think this is as big of a deal as they're making it out to be.. If there was something legitimately wrong here someone much bigger than Renee Depree would have spoke up by now. |
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Post by Word™ on Apr 7, 2016 22:37:05 GMT -5
What's more interesting is there are no other Plaintiffs in the complaint, but they are setting a very broad standard of who should be certified in this class. Im wondering there are more coming and these guys jumped in with just Renee to be first. Paying royalties for the Network going forward for WWE won't be a problem caused from this, the big issue could be the punitive damages, if awarded, against WWE for breach of contract. Duprees booking agreement does specify royalties for technology not yet in existence. So if no one is getting paid for Netflix and the Network that's arguably breach of contract. He is just spearheading the whole thing I expect those guys to also be disgruntled ex employees that had no shot of ever receiving a phone call from the WWE ever again. |
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Post by cmiller79 on Apr 7, 2016 22:47:17 GMT -5
I expect more guys will jump in on the suitHe is just spearheading the whole thing I expect those guys to also be disgruntled ex employees that had no shot of ever receiving a phone call from the WWE ever again. exactly those are always the ones that run to join in on these things the ones with no name value but I do expect some old timers to jump in It will probably be people like billy jack Haynes who looks for any reason he can to try and sue wwe |
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Apr 7, 2016 22:50:51 GMT -5
This could open a huge can of worms if other former employees also start suing the company for this same reason. I admittedly have no idea how the legalities work with all this stuff, but if actors and actresses get paid royalties for old shows they were on that still air on TV, then why shouldn't wrestlers be paid for the company making money off of their old work?
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Post by cmiller79 on Apr 7, 2016 22:53:25 GMT -5
so then why even have royalties at all if that's the case? I agree about him I never liked him and I'm surprised someone as low level talent as he was is the first one to put the wheels in motion for this case I figured it was coming but I expected it to be from a bigger name Royalties come from merchandise I assume.. Something the WWE Network is not. I don't think this is as big of a deal as they're making it out to be.. If there was something legitimately wrong here someone much bigger than Renee Depree would have spoke up by now. I wonder if its a situation where they feel since the network pretty much replaced DVDs that they think royalties they would make on DVDs should carry over or something I imagine there are a lot of legal technicalities that protect wwe from stuff like this Especially someone like Jessie ventura i think he would be all over this |
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Post by dixol on Apr 7, 2016 23:15:29 GMT -5
What's more interesting is there are no other Plaintiffs in the complaint, but they are setting a very broad standard of who should be certified in this class. Im wondering there are more coming and these guys jumped in with just Renee to be first. Paying royalties for the Network going forward for WWE won't be a problem caused from this, the big issue could be the punitive damages, if awarded, against WWE for breach of contract. Duprees booking agreement does specify royalties for technology not yet in existence. So if no one is getting paid for Netflix and the Network that's arguably breach of contract. Connecticut doesn't award punitive damages. |
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Post by hbkowns on Apr 8, 2016 1:08:06 GMT -5
I don't think you can sue for royalties for a former character you played over 10 years ago. That likeliness isn't even his. The Rene Dupre character is wwe's creation. Compare that to an actor or tv star each time their show is on-demand or reruns/airs on tv, do they get a royalty each time for that? No! To an even more extent when Rene Dupre signed a contract to perform he forfeited rights for his likeliness to wwe and for wwe to do whatever the hell they wanted to do with it. If wwe was still releasing footage of promoting him or releasing merchandise of him, then that would be problematic.
But they're not. They have footage available on their network that has his likeness on it which they have every right to air because he was a contracted performer at the time.
In other words, they don't owe him SH*T!!!!!
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Apr 8, 2016 1:40:55 GMT -5
I don't think they should all get paid. This is basically like Netflix, Hulu, or Amazon Prime. Is every actor on a show paid for every time it airs on Netflix? I believe there might be something. Actors in TV shows get money if a show goes to syndication. At least I think they do. Them comparing it to Ventura is misleading, as Ventura was led to believe that only major stars received royalties, having him sign away the rights. In the case with Dupree, however, I doubt WWE would have tried tricking them in 2000's with that. Instead, they probably offered him a larger contract to waiver those rights, which he probably did as it would have been a smarter decision in the short-run, and arguably, the long run. The royalties he would receive would make up a fraction a percent of only the things he appeared on. I doubt this case will go far or be taken very seriously by the federal government. |
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Post by dadlife316 on Apr 8, 2016 1:59:14 GMT -5
What's more interesting is there are no other Plaintiffs in the complaint, but they are setting a very broad standard of who should be certified in this class. Im wondering there are more coming and these guys jumped in with just Renee to be first. Paying royalties for the Network going forward for WWE won't be a problem caused from this, the big issue could be the punitive damages, if awarded, against WWE for breach of contract. Duprees booking agreement does specify royalties for technology not yet in existence. So if no one is getting paid for Netflix and the Network that's arguably breach of contract. Connecticut doesn't award punitive damages. It was filed in Federal court |
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Post by dadlife316 on Apr 8, 2016 2:01:41 GMT -5
Comparing it to TV Actor Royalties isn't applicable. They are unionized and syndication royalties are part of their contracts.
Jerry McDevitt has now comment and he informed the attorneys that Dupree signed a new contract in 2011 that prevents him from bringing this type of action. This will likely be dismissed if they don't find a new Plaintiff. Further, I'd imagine they have a lot of guys locked into something like this if they locked Dupree out of bringing a lawsuit like this long after he was employed
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Post by FBtagteamsrule on Apr 8, 2016 5:14:54 GMT -5
Wwe lawyers responded something like he signed away royalties when he took a buyout so probably not getting crap.
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Post by tiny04 on Apr 8, 2016 5:44:27 GMT -5
Rene Dupree is a nobody who's just trying to get himself some money and trying to get people talking about him. Nothing will come of this.
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