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Post by Sizzle on Jul 20, 2016 7:29:42 GMT -5
Dammit, they broke up the Wyatts. Probably my only real complaint about the draft. |
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Post by Sizzle on Jul 20, 2016 7:32:10 GMT -5
...am I missing something here? How on earth were the likes of Mojo Rawley, Nia Jax and Alexa Bliss picked over Shinsuke Nakamura, Samoa Joe and Asuka?  Because the WWE doesn't look at NXT as developmental anymore, they look at it as a third brand, mostly thanks to the fans being so supportive of it. If they brought up all the major stars from NXT to the Raw and Smackdown brand, then NXT would be losing all their main event talent. So stars like Joe, Aries, Nakamura, Asuka, Bayley have to stay in NXT while they build up new stars. You get it, bro. You get it.  |
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Post by Ember's Flame on Jul 20, 2016 7:37:28 GMT -5
Braun Strongman about to be World Champ for Raw
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Post by koreygunz on Jul 20, 2016 7:50:22 GMT -5
Dammit, they broke up the Wyatts. With bray and Rowan on SD, leaves room for harper to return and reform the original family if they choose. I'm more upset they broke up The Club already. I think Balor will feud with Anderson and Gallows (they approach him to join them as the "new" Club, Balor declines) |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 20, 2016 7:52:22 GMT -5
Did anyone else notice it saying "9 time Tag Champion" on Cesaro's bio when he was being interviewed last night??
I swear it said "9 time Tag Champion" and not 1 time, which was a huge screw up by WWE's part to put that down if that's the case.
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Post by tiny04 on Jul 20, 2016 7:55:59 GMT -5
How do people think the titles will work? More titles or titles across both shows, and if so, how will they work that?
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Post by Supreme Cross on Jul 20, 2016 8:07:18 GMT -5
How do people think the titles will work? More titles or titles across both shows, and if so, how will they work that? i was wondering the same thing, if Seth Rollins or Reigns win the title at Battleground, will there be another big title belt on Smackdown or what? i also saw that their are no tag team championships on Smackdown either. wonder how they are going to play this |
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Post by T R W on Jul 20, 2016 8:14:29 GMT -5
That draft was terrible and just completely crapall over kayfabe with who and how they drafted. It made Shane and Bryan look like idiots, especially their whole "Give new young talent a chance" thing.
I'll miss Styles and Ambrose, but there is no reason to watch Smackdown at all. Honestly, I'd like to thank them for putting Orton, Del Rio, Kane, The Usos, Corbin, Miz, Ziggler, Naomi, and The Ascension all together on the same show so it will be much easier to avoid watching them.
To be honest, they made me want to watch Smackdown less than before the brand split.
I understand why they didn't gut NXT of their top people, but the way they did the draft makes them look incompetent for not doing so.
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Post by tiny04 on Jul 20, 2016 8:33:11 GMT -5
How do people think the titles will work? More titles or titles across both shows, and if so, how will they work that? i was wondering the same thing, if Seth Rollins or Reigns win the title at Battleground, will there be another big title belt on Smackdown or what? i also saw that their are no tag team championships on Smackdown either. wonder how they are going to play this While I think they will create a new world title, everyone knows the WWE Title is #1 over the World Heavyweight, which is why I think it is essential that Ambrose wins on Sunday. Smackdown needs the WWE Title. |
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Post by J-MANN on Jul 20, 2016 9:09:10 GMT -5
I almost feel like Ambrose needs to win Sunday at Battleground now. Smackdown needs that # 1 belt to feel important. If they put that belt on Raw, it's just another slap in the face to Smackdown as a brand. As long as Ambrose pins Roman on Sunday I won't mind. With all that being said, I don't see it happening.
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 20, 2016 9:13:48 GMT -5
...am I missing something here? How on earth were the likes of Mojo Rawley, Nia Jax and Alexa Bliss picked over Shinsuke Nakamura, Samoa Joe and Asuka? Because the WWE doesn't look at NXT as developmental anymore, they look at it as a third brand, mostly thanks to the fans being so supportive of it. If they brought up all the major stars from NXT to the Raw and Smackdown brand, then NXT would be losing all their main event talent. So stars like Joe, Aries, Nakamura, Asuka, Bayley have to stay in NXT while they build up new stars. ... you and I know that, but KAYFABE speaking, wouldn't Shane or Stephanie automatically go after the NXT champions and top talent? Like how Shane wanted the current WWE champ and Stephanie wanted the current Women's champ? It just seems a bit strange/silly to totally ignore them and (apart from Balor) go after the mid/lower-card talent like Nia Jax and Mojo Whatsisname. I'd have preferred it if they'd have said the NXT champions were not eligible to draft or something... To be honest, they made me want to watch Smackdown less than before the brand split. This. Outside of Cena - who won't be there all the time - and Ambrose/Styles, Smackdown seems a whole lot of meh-ness. I understand why they didn't gut NXT of their top people, but the way they did the draft makes them look incompetent for not doing so. ...and this. |
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Post by J12 on Jul 20, 2016 9:43:51 GMT -5
Because the WWE doesn't look at NXT as developmental anymore, they look at it as a third brand, mostly thanks to the fans being so supportive of it. If they brought up all the major stars from NXT to the Raw and Smackdown brand, then NXT would be losing all their main event talent. So stars like Joe, Aries, Nakamura, Asuka, Bayley have to stay in NXT while they build up new stars. ... you and I know that, but KAYFABE speaking, wouldn't Shane or Stephanie automatically go after the NXT champions and top talent? Like how Shane wanted the current WWE champ and Stephanie wanted the current Women's champ? It just seems a bit strange/silly to totally ignore them and (apart from Balor) go after the mid/lower-card talent like Nia Jax and Mojo Whatsisname. I'd have preferred it if they'd have said the NXT champions were not eligible to draft or something... To be honest, they made me want to watch Smackdown less than before the brand split. This. I understand why they didn't gut NXT of their top people, but the way they did the draft makes them look incompetent for not doing so. ...and this. Yeah, there's no excuse within the context of the show. It makes everyone look bad. It seems like a lot of people don't really understand that, though, and assume that people that want answers for something that should have been made glaringly obvious from the get go are just complaining for the sake of complaining. Makes no sense. Of course we understand why, in real life, guys like Nakamura and Joe weren't called up, but that doesn't give them a free pass to not give a reason for it on television. It sends a terrible message. How hard would it have been for them to say William Regal got to "franchise" X number of talent? Or exclude champions and number one contenders? |
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Post by MADNESS_NH_97 on Jul 20, 2016 9:53:18 GMT -5
Neville and Sin Cara. Solid cruiserweight division right there folks. And Mojo Rawley? Who the  drafts that turd? Ugh. Even thought Kalisto, Breeze, Fandango(if he really is a cruiserweight. Which I'm not sure about) should have been part of that Division. I am sure several guys from the Cruiserweight Classic could be part of that Division on RAW: "Who ever is the Winner of the Tournament"(Kota Ibushi, Zack Sabre Jr., TJ Perkins or Gran Metalik for example), Taijiri, The Brian Kendrick, Tommaso Ciampa, Johnny Gargano, Rich Swann etc etc. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 20, 2016 9:57:14 GMT -5
They should of had William Regal come out and say he tagged certain guys that were excluded from the draft. This way it looked like he protected Nakamura, Joe, Aries and Bayley from getting drafted (stolen) by Raw or Smackdown.
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Post by Cyan on Jul 20, 2016 10:29:11 GMT -5
Did anyone else catch Shane saying "Finn Balor" to Daniel Bryan right after RAW drafted Gallows and Anderson? I went back to watch the recording and right after RAW picks G&A, you can hear some chatter between D Bry and Shane overlapping what the commentators are saying. As they cut to them, you hear Shane say "Finn Balor" to Bryan as a response to RAW picking G&A.
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Post by J12 on Jul 20, 2016 10:30:08 GMT -5
Smackdown needs to be in full-on, balls to the wall star-making mode beginning next week. It's the only way they have a shot at not being absolutely horrible.
If you break things down in terms of babyfaces and heels, this is your depth chart:
Dean Ambrose
John Cena (part time)
Randy Orton
Dolph Ziggler
AJ Styles
Bray Wyatt
Alberto Del Rio
The Miz
That's going to get incredibly old, incredibly fast. Take Cena out of there, because he's part time, and it becomes even more gaping. Turn Orton heel, and you have another huge problem.
They have to get to work on guys like Crews and Ziggler, immediately. No 50/50, they can't afford it. I just don't see them having the restraint to do it.
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Post by Cyan on Jul 20, 2016 10:34:58 GMT -5
Did anyone else notice it saying "9 time Tag Champion" on Cesaro's bio when he was being interviewed last night?? I swear it said "9 time Tag Champion" and not 1 time, which was a huge screw up by WWE's part to put that down if that's the case.  |
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 20, 2016 10:40:36 GMT -5
Smackdown needs to be in full-on, balls to the wall star-making mode beginning next week. It's the only way they have a shot at not being absolutely horrible. If you break things down in terms of babyfaces and heels, this is your depth chart: Dean Ambrose John Cena (part time) Randy Orton Dolph Ziggler AJ Styles Bray Wyatt Alberto Del Rio The Miz That's going to get incredibly old, incredibly fast. Take Cena out of there, because he's part time, and it becomes even more gaping. Turn Orton heel, and you have another huge problem. They have to get to work on guys like Crews and Ziggler, immediately. No 50/50, they can't afford it. I just don't see them having the restraint to do it. Honestly, if they can finally push Ziggler as a big babyface and actually stick with it, and put him over after someone like heel AJ Styles gets a good run with the title, the brand split will be worth it to me, despite what a terrible idea I think it is. It's just my personal selfishness in the whole deal. I want to see it. I agree though. I think Crews is going to get the rocket over on Smackdown. I'm fine with it. Have him run through Miz for the IC Title and go from there. They just need to get a better grip on who he is as a performer. Right now he's just a guy who smiles. This is the predicament though. Smackdown has 1/3 the roster and so it stands the much stronger chance of getting old fast. I do think there are some good scenarios there though. Bray Wyatt and Styles both need world title runs and Ziggler needs a legit one as well. So I think the parts are there for them to have a compelling main event. I just don't see a situation where 6 months to a year from now it doesn't all feel incredibly recycled though. Edit: All of this assuming we're getting a second world title. Which who knows what we're about to see happen on Sunday at Battleground. |
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Post by J12 on Jul 20, 2016 10:41:19 GMT -5
If ever there was a reason/excuse to have some brand jumping, they have it:
The Wyatt Family.
I think we can all agree they need some serious rehabilitation, especially Bray, who is an anchor on Smackdown. This is one of the easiest and most fitting ways to do it. Have Strowman start showing up on Smackdown to help Bray and Rowan. Shane and Bryan can have him thrown out, repeatedly. Then Bray starts showing up on Raw to help Strowman. Stephanie throws a fit, has him thrown out. What are they gonna do? The Wyatts are a backwoods cult. Why would they adhere to draft rules? Why would a locked door keep them out of a building? What security guard is going to say "no" to Braun Strowman?
They can resolve it by eventually sending Strowman to Smackdown, or just separating him from the group when Harper returns. Hell, they can suspend them if they want. They keep showing up. They're outlaws, the rules don't apply to them.
The key here is to never put them in matches on their opposing show or let it appear as though it's sanctioned. There has to be resistance every single time it occurs.
If nothing else, maybe it would help get the urge out of Vince's system.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 20, 2016 10:43:16 GMT -5
Did anyone else notice it saying "9 time Tag Champion" on Cesaro's bio when he was being interviewed last night?? I swear it said "9 time Tag Champion" and not 1 time, which was a huge screw up by WWE's part to put that down if that's the case. Excellent!!! So I wasn't seeing things then, it really did say 9 time Tag Team Champion hahaha Are they counting his ROH and other indy feds title reigns too then?? That's the only way that would some what make sense. |
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