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Post by BorrachoBancho on Jan 9, 2017 3:54:36 GMT -5
There will always be Jakks apologists, but we could really go on for dozens of pages with these sort of pics. From baffling parts/design decisions, to the balloon heads, it was truly frustrating at times to be a collector. I still remember buying the 2pk series where they decided to give the figures TTL era arms.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 4:04:17 GMT -5
Well times and technology have changed a hell of a lot since then. But, elites are more expensive. And the funny thing is you've given 3 examples but they are possibly Jakks best work lol And to make it worse some companies are putting this crap out still. But with worse scans
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Post by Halloween King on Jan 9, 2017 4:32:09 GMT -5
There will always be Jakks apologists, but we could really go on for dozens of pages with these sort of pics. From baffling parts/design decisions, to the balloon heads, it was truly frustrating at times to be a collector. I still remember buying the 2pk series where they decided to give the figures TTL era arms. Lol the one and only Luthor Reigns figure! I think Jakks made great figures. I grew up with LJNs which had no articulation. Then Hasbros which had limited articulation. Jakks did some neat stuff, including the classics line. The Classics line, which btw, Mattel failed miserably at. The way I see it, ever toy company comes in and improves upon what already existed. It'll be interesting to see who takes over after Mattel, and what gets changed. And lastly, that Classics line was half the price that the current Mattel line costs. That outsiders two pack was 19.99. The one Nash Elite is 24 on RSC. So, yes, you might see Mattel as the better of the two, but Mattel is charging a lot more for the toy.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Jan 9, 2017 5:52:01 GMT -5
Hey! Another "lets crap on a decade old work from the last toy company" thread. Haven't had one of these in a while. Funny you would post a scale issue (Umaga and Wild Samoans), and an odd shaped head (every surfer Sting), as well as seeing many of the same parts used over and over. It seems the mistakes from years past still come back to haunt us on occasion. I love Mattel. I don't jump in threads to bash them or apologize for Jakks decisions either. I also don't believe we should judge the practices of a corner drug store against those of a Walmart. BUT, here is a reply from December 14th, in a more tactful manner. Very interesting to see how far we've come since the Jakks days. Thanks for the pics. With that said, I do feel the need to point out that some of us are throwing Jakks, a toy maker that started 21 years ago with WWE being their first major brand, under the bus for their quality compared to Mattel, a company that began 71 years ago and acquired the WWE license while literally leading the toy industry. While I agree that we are leaps and bounds better today when compared to where we were, if you think of the WWE toy brand as fruit, surely the phrase "apples to oranges" has never been more appropriate than it is here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 6:05:15 GMT -5
Hey! Another "lets crap on a decade old work from the last toy company" thread. Haven't had one of these in a while. Funny you would post a scale issue (Umaga and Wild Samoans), and an odd shaped head (every surfer Sting), as well as seeing many of the same parts used over and over. It seems the mistakes from years past still come back to haunt us on occasion. I love Mattel. I don't jump in threads to bash them or apologize for Jakks decisions either. I also don't believe we should judge the practices of a corner drug store against those of a Walmart. BUT, here is a reply from December 14th, in a more tactful manner. Very interesting to see how far we've come since the Jakks days. Thanks for the pics. With that said, I do feel the need to point out that some of us are throwing Jakks, a toy maker that started 21 years ago with WWE being their first major brand, under the bus for their quality compared to Mattel, a company that began 71 years ago and acquired the WWE license while literally leading the toy industry. While I agree that we are leaps and bounds better today when compared to where we were, if you think of the WWE toy brand as fruit, surely the phrase "apples to oranges" has never been more appropriate than it is here. Oh don't get me wrong dude. Mattel has had more than their share of inexcusable ups. Brown-haired, ponytailed RSC Nash. Constant issues of hair color and correct boots. Sting still having a goddamn wooden bat. And of course the paint mishaps and loose parts that have emerged over the years. But in spite of all that, it's still miles better than Jakks. And I don't excuse Jakks to the degree you do. But I do get it somewhat. I think low standards were to blame more than anything. They basically stayed in the lowest common denominator in terms of effort as long as it sold. And they completely phoned it in their last couple years. I feel like Mattel challenges themselves more to keep the line fresh. That isn't experience as much as it is just giving a shyt, something that Jakks seemed to stop doing after a while.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 6:47:19 GMT -5
Scale issues aside those Outsiders were great.
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Post by BorrachoBancho on Jan 9, 2017 6:47:59 GMT -5
Every single toy line has areas worthy of honest criticism. There's nothing wrong with discussing that, and having a few laughs at some of the confusingly bad figures that get released. Younger company or not, Jakks deserves plenty of the criticisms they routinely get. My fondest wrestling figure memories comes from their products. As a youngster, playing with their BCA figures right in front of the TV every night during Raw is something I'll always remember with great joy.
With that said, there's 0 doubt that Jakks simply did whatever the hell they wanted most of the time lol. Especially during the later RA/DA days, regardless of how much toys were advancing. I often wonder where WWE toys would be today if Jakks had maintained control over the brand.
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Post by SteveHulk on Jan 9, 2017 7:00:37 GMT -5
And lastly, that Classics line was half the price that the current Mattel line costs. That outsiders two pack was 19.99. The one Nash Elite is 24 on RSC. So, yes, you might see Mattel as the better of the two, but Mattel is charging a lot more for the toy. ...the CS line was 10 years ago though, so you'd expect it to be much cheaper - I remember buying the ToyBiz Marvel Legends for about £8.99 each... now they retail at £22.99/£24.99! And Mattel Elites were £12.99 when they started off here... currently they're £18.99. EVERYTHING is more expensive these days... if Jakks put out that Outsiders 2-pack today, it would be quite a bit more than 19.99.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 7:20:43 GMT -5
And lastly, that Classics line was half the price that the current Mattel line costs. That outsiders two pack was 19.99. The one Nash Elite is 24 on RSC. So, yes, you might see Mattel as the better of the two, but Mattel is charging a lot more for the toy. ...the CS line was 10 years ago though, so you'd expect it to be much cheaper - I remember buying the ToyBiz Marvel Legends for about £8.99 each... now they retail at £22.99/£24.99! And Mattel Elites were £12.99 when they started off here... currently they're £18.99. EVERYTHING is more expensive these days... if Jakks put out that Outsiders 2-pack today, it would be quite a bit more than 19.99. Was just about to point this out. Inflation is real. And Mattel didn't start off too much more expensive than CS. Not only that, but the packaging was more elaborate and they had display stands. Then it all went away because economy. And just like everything else in this economy, quality keeps going down, yet price keeps going up.
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Post by BorrachoBancho on Jan 9, 2017 7:52:02 GMT -5
Does anyone remember what RA figures debuted at price wise? I honestly don't remember. For some reason I recall them being $7.99, and CS being $9.99 (before both slowly rose up obviously). How about Mattel? I don't remember what Basics started out at, but I wanna say Elite debuted at $13.99 or $15.99.
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Post by poindizzle on Jan 9, 2017 8:35:06 GMT -5
I have a soft spot for Jakks but even I'll admit that Ruthless was a line that was well behind the times. Those figures were occupying shelf space at the same time that McFarlane toys was making amazingly sculpted mini-statues, Mattel had the clean and well designed Masters of the Universe and Batman lines, Bandai Gundams that were marvelously engineered, and Toybiz blazing trails with the Marvel Legends. Paint apps were across the board better on most toys as was articulation. The leap from TTL to R3 was logical and showed progress. RA was a huge step back. The small handful of bucks used helped increase the number of releases and cut tooling time down. The motto of the day was definitely quantity over quality. There are few things as hideous in this worlds as the cruiserweight body they used on so many of the guys like Jericho.
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Post by Cane Dewey Riley on Jan 9, 2017 10:43:59 GMT -5
Does anyone remember what RA figures debuted at price wise? I honestly don't remember. For some reason I recall them being $7.99, and CS being $9.99 (before both slowly rose up obviously). How about Mattel? I don't remember what Basics started out at, but I wanna say Elite debuted at $13.99 or $15.99. Man, I remember being able to go to KB Toys and get two RA figures for $10 on sale. It was so rad.
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Post by Gone. on Jan 9, 2017 10:44:54 GMT -5
That Nash head is ten times better then all of the Nash head's mattel has put out.
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Post by iamkrang on Jan 9, 2017 11:13:51 GMT -5
I love my Mattel collection more than my Jakks collection , but collecting the Classic Superstars line will always be my favorite time as a collector. Me and my friends had our first jobs and went figure hunting all of the time and the memories are great.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 11:20:37 GMT -5
I won't say that every aspect of Jakks is bad, but I can't fully agree with the statements that Jakks was using old technologies and Mattel isn't. Its not like Mattel started today, they started in 2009 so they're utilizing technologies that Jakks had the ability of utilizing towards the end of their run. Though the main important thing that they didn't utilize was the concept of scale, which I'm sure has been around for centuries when mathematics was founded. The fact that Paul Bearer is as big as Kane in that three pack is part of why I hate Jakks figures.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jan 9, 2017 11:24:02 GMT -5
I dont know if its a nostalgia thing but I still rate jakks better than mattel. If Jakks were to get the license back I'd sell all my mattel stuff in a heart beat.
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Post by JNH2248 on Jan 9, 2017 11:32:25 GMT -5
I started collecting after Mattel had started but I went with Jakks, unfortunately. Bought tons from eBay and Amazon and after I was in too deep, I realized, there's something wrong here, all these guys are mostly the same size? During the beginning, I received an Elite 23 Macho Man as a gift and should've realized then I needed to cease buying these and switch but I didn't and continued for a year or so more. Then I, myself, bought a few Mattel elites and finally a light went off and decided these are the figs I should be buying considering this company is making them presently and look MUCH BETTER. I was able to sell of my Jakks but took a major hit. Lesson learned and I am able to say I experienced the Jakks "bad proportions" experience!
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Post by popyduggan on Jan 9, 2017 11:35:58 GMT -5
Mattel is the best yet, but Jakks knew how to draw collectors in with the attires you wanted right away, like WM1 and nWo Hogan in the same series, Outsiders in wrestling attire, consistent packaging, but that came with wtf part choices and paint jobs, one scale, increasing prices and limited retail availability, employee exclusives and other shady shortcuts from proto to final product. At least Mattel does a thorough job(look at any Ultimate Warrior or Macho Man(but not the ultimate fan pack basic)) and the guy in charge doesn't dick around with purposely rare variants and other crap that some toy lines do. The worst so far are the belts and slammys, but those are simply fun extras and nothing that makes collectors bloodthirsty.
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Post by Xæro #FakeCollector on Jan 9, 2017 11:37:18 GMT -5
Hall looks like Steven Ogg.
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