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Post by The Brain on Jan 28, 2017 14:01:37 GMT -5
I gotta say this though....I miss gimmicks in wrestling. Without gimmicks/kayfabe wrestling is just bland IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 16:21:55 GMT -5
That guy and his crapty gimmicks. Can't forget about the Disciple. Where he was a biker that wrestled in chaps. He was just a random ass biker in the nWo, it didn't even make sense. And he just showed up out of nowhere with that gimmick. No surprise attack to introduce him as a new member, no build up, or anything. He literally just showed up out of nowhere and casually walked into the ring as NWO were beating down some WCW guys as if he was late to the segment. And I don't even think he did anything when he came out, he just stood in the corner and watched lol. If the announcers hadn't briefly mentioned his presence, it would have been easy to not even notice he was there during his "debut". As I recall, didn't he stand right next to Hogan during their promos? The NWO had like 40 guys at that time and so it was easy to miss a faces, because most of the guys in the back were just milling around and acting like douches. But, I remember seeing Disciple standing there and not knowing who it was or where he came from. Then, like a year later Hogan was routinely beating Disciple's pathetic ass on Thunder. Gotta feel bad for ol' Brutus in a way. |
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Post by jason1980s on Jan 28, 2017 17:49:48 GMT -5
It's crazy to think of Brutus having a falling out with Hogan but it must've happened. I know he had a role in training in the midget wrestling show but outside of that, you never see him with Hulk anymore. Hulk has Jimmy Hart with him at autograph signings but no Brutus. Even when they did a photo op tour titled "Hogan and Friends" there was no Brutus. The tour had Bischoff, Nasty Boys along with odd choices like Hammer Valentine and Koko B. Ware but never Brutus.
A lot of the WWF guys were hugely over in WWF or were always in high profile feuds (Duggan, Earthquake, Beefcake, Bossman, IRS etc...) but it just didn't translate to WCW. If Beefcake couldn't be the Barber, he could go nowhere in WCW and I'm sure fans got tired of the gimmick changes. Even kids knew Zodiac, Disciple and Bootyman were the "Butcher."
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Post by havoc7179 on Jan 28, 2017 17:52:50 GMT -5
This site needs more threads like this. Got a good laugh reading through your responses. I'm right there with you though. I loved him as The Barber when I was a kid, but I recall being so confused when he went to WCW. At the time I was too young to understand why most wrestlers were forced to use different gimmicks when they switched companies. I'd watch with my mom and brother, and would ask them what was going on with him. My mom pretty much sounded like you when she'd try to explain. I remember her seeing him on screen as The Zodiac for the first time, and she just suddenly blurted out "this f***ing guy...he must be losing bets to the other wrestlers and they make him do this stupid s*it as a joke". actually Leslie was carrying over the Zodiac gimmick from the movie NO HOLDS BARRED I believe. EDIT: It was Mr. Nanny (most likely). I won't post it because I"m pretty sure someone wrongly uploaded the entire movie (at least an international version) on youtube, but if you happen to see Mr. Nanny again or Mr. Babysitter (as it's known internationally), the opening credits shows Leslie in attire and face paint nearly matching the Zodiac. Him and Kamala (few others) are beating down Hogan. At 1:29 you can get a close look of the man, and it's pretty much Zodiac. That movie came out in 1993.ZOdiac debuted in 1995 Screencapped it s27.postimg.org/o8ukse1yb/ed_leslie.jpg |
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Post by mikey1974 on Jan 28, 2017 19:31:37 GMT -5
I distinctly remember spitting beer and audibly cursing at my tv when he debuted, and either Bischoff or Schiavone (can't remember which) tried to pass him off as a newcomer to WCW. Almost as bad as Monsoon calling Carlos Colon a youngster in his Rumble debut, considering he was in his 40s by that point.
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Post by TheLastDude on Jan 28, 2017 22:02:30 GMT -5
Did anyone in the history of pro wrestling have more personas than Ed Leslie? If anyone did, it would probably be Darsow, Charles Wright or Mike Shaw. Even if they had more, I doubt anyone had has many WWFWCW personas as Brutus. Oooh, yeah, Mike Shaw is a good call. |
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Post by marino13 on Jan 28, 2017 22:37:23 GMT -5
I was a huge Brutus Beefcake fan. So this is considered to be a dark time for me. What a drastic step backwards. His entire wCw run was awful.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 23:11:10 GMT -5
It's crazy to think of Brutus having a falling out with Hogan but it must've happened. I know he had a role in training in the midget wrestling show but outside of that, you never see him with Hulk anymore. Hulk has Jimmy Hart with him at autograph signings but no Brutus. Even when they did a photo op tour titled "Hogan and Friends" there was no Brutus. The tour had Bischoff, Nasty Boys along with odd choices like Hammer Valentine and Koko B. Ware but never Brutus. A lot of the WWF guys were hugely over in WWF or were always in high profile feuds (Duggan, Earthquake, Beefcake, Bossman, IRS etc...) but it just didn't translate to WCW. If Beefcake couldn't be the Barber, he could go nowhere in WCW and I'm sure fans got tired of the gimmick changes. Even kids knew Zodiac, Disciple and Bootyman were the "Butcher." Seems like I heard somewhere that Brutus stole some jewelry out of Hogan's house, but I might be getting my stories mixed up. |
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Post by havoc7179 on Jan 28, 2017 23:53:03 GMT -5
If anyone did, it would probably be Darsow, Charles Wright or Mike Shaw. Even if they had more, I doubt anyone had has many WWFWCW personas as Brutus. Oooh, yeah, Mike Shaw is a good call. Award goes to Brad Armstrong who also holds the most gimmicks in wrestlecrap Arachnaman brad Armstrong Mr. R The Candyman A member of Dos Ambres BADSTREET No Limit Soldier BA Buzzkill Cursed Brad Armstrong Freedom Fighter So that's 10 Ed Leslie had Brutus Beefcake Butcher Brother Bruti The man with no name Zodiac Bootyman Disciple Run in Man Am I missing any for Leslie? Edit. I think Run In Man, Clipmaster and the Man wih no face were also his but should they count? TMWINF was basically bc ace forgot they called him the Man with No Name. Clipmaster was an nickname for Brother Bruti. I'll count run in man. I'll subtract Mr. R. From Armstrong because that was before his run on WCW. |
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Post by K5 on Jan 29, 2017 11:45:37 GMT -5
i thought he (brutus) really fit in the dream team and fit that role of the larger daft heels to go up against the action-packed bulldogs and other face tag teams.
he was REALLY over as the barber obviously - and actually managed to have some decent matches with savage and perfect. after all, it was savage and perfect. lol
by the time he got to wcw, just like john tenta and the rest of hulkster's pals, the time had passed for brutus and he was staler than yesterday's bread.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 15:56:52 GMT -5
Oooh, yeah, Mike Shaw is a good call. Award goes to Brad Armstrong who also holds the most gimmicks in wrestlecrap Arachnaman brad Armstrong Mr. R The Candyman A member of Dos Ambres BADSTREET No Limit Soldier BA Buzzkill Cursed Brad Armstrong Freedom Fighter So that's 10 Ed Leslie had Brutus Beefcake Butcher Brother Bruti The man with no name Zodiac Bootyman Disciple Run in Man Am I missing any for Leslie? Edit. I think Run In Man, Clipmaster and the Man wih no face were also his but should they count? TMWINF was basically bc ace forgot they called him the Man with No Name. Clipmaster was an nickname for Brother Bruti. I'll count run in man. I'll subtract Mr. R. From Armstrong because that was before his run on WCW. I don't remember some of Armstrong's like Freedom Fighter or Mr. R... were they WCW gimmicks? Are we counting all gimmicks or just WWF/WCW gimmicks, because if we counted all gimmicks, I think Mike Shaw would easily beat almost everyone. Finally, I don't think every name change necessarily qualifies as a gimmick change. When I think of a gimmick change, I think of a complete repackaging. Like, Mankind and Dude Love are different gimmicks, but Earthquake and Avalanche were really just the same gimmick with different names. A few notes about Armstrong: 1. I wouldn't classify Dos Hombres as a separate gimmick since it was just Brad Armstrong with a mask on. 2. "Armstrong Curse" was also just Brad Armstrong but with a cynical edge. 3. Candyman was not really a gimmick. It was just plain ol' Brad Armstrong trying to be more interesting. 4. Buzzkill was just Brad Armstrong taking a gimmick because Russo kayfabe ordered it, so it was part of a storyline not a true repackaging. 5. Any version of plain ol' Brad Armstrong is not really a gimmick since Brad Armstrong was not a gimmick. 6. Arachnaman and Badstreet are the only real gimmicks for Brad that I remember, though a case might be made for Buzzkill. Now, Beefcake: 1. Most of his "gimmicks" were just Brutus using a different name due to trademarks, so I wouldn't actually count Brother Bruti, Butcher or Man With No Name as different gimmicks. We can be damn sure he would have just been using the name Brutus Beefcake if it weren't for trademarks. 2. Booty Man straddles the line on being a real gimmick since it's clear they were just wanting us to remember the Barber, but I think there was enough of an effort made to repackage him here and unique attributes (ass shaking/ass puns) added to the act that it would qualify as a different gimmick. 3. I would count Beefcake as two gimmicks, with 1) being Stripper Beefcake and 2) being Barber Beefcake. Add Dizzy Ed, Zodiac, Booty Man and Disciple. That makes 6 major gimmick changes per my way of calculating it. So, IMO Beefcake is on par (pun intended) with Barry Darsow. Barry Darsow: 1. Krusher Kruschev 2. Smash 3. Repo Man 4. Blacktop Bully 5. Crusher Darsow 6. Hole-In-One Darsow |
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Post by The Brain on Jan 29, 2017 16:13:46 GMT -5
I gotta give Darsow and Shaw a ton of respect. No matter what gimmick they were dealt they always gave it everything to try and make it work.
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Post by PJ on Jan 31, 2017 5:28:57 GMT -5
Dream Team Beefcake was my favorite followed closely by the Barber. After that I really didn't care for his other gimmicks.
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Jan 31, 2017 18:20:32 GMT -5
It's crazy to think of Brutus having a falling out with Hogan but it must've happened. I know he had a role in training in the midget wrestling show but outside of that, you never see him with Hulk anymore. Hulk has Jimmy Hart with him at autograph signings but no Brutus. Even when they did a photo op tour titled "Hogan and Friends" there was no Brutus. The tour had Bischoff, Nasty Boys along with odd choices like Hammer Valentine and Koko B. Ware but never Brutus. A lot of the WWF guys were hugely over in WWF or were always in high profile feuds (Duggan, Earthquake, Beefcake, Bossman, IRS etc...) but it just didn't translate to WCW. If Beefcake couldn't be the Barber, he could go nowhere in WCW and I'm sure fans got tired of the gimmick changes. Even kids knew Zodiac, Disciple and Bootyman were the "Butcher." Seems like I heard somewhere that Brutus stole some jewelry out of Hogan's house, but I might be getting my stories mixed up. Oddly, I just read an article about what happened. In 2015 Beefcake was selling bootleg/stolen Hogan merch and fake Hogan autographs. Hogan got pissed Beefcake was making money off him, and even went on Twitter and talked about it, and put up a picture of he and Beefcake back in the day with the caption "back in the day, when we were straight up brother." |
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Post by Sizzle on Jan 31, 2017 18:44:19 GMT -5
I gotta say this though....I miss gimmicks in wrestling. Without gimmicks/kayfabe wrestling is just bland IMO. Very true but a lot of gimmicks suck big time. |
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Post by The Brain on Jan 31, 2017 18:57:26 GMT -5
I gotta say this though....I miss gimmicks in wrestling. Without gimmicks/kayfabe wrestling is just bland IMO. Very true but a lot of gimmicks suck big time. True but it made wrestling fun to watch back in the day. Can't say the same thing about today. |
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Post by Sizzle on Jan 31, 2017 18:59:17 GMT -5
Very true but a lot of gimmicks suck big time. True but it made wrestling fun to watch back in the day. Can't say the same thing about today. A garbage man and a giant bull man... Nah. |
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Post by The Brain on Jan 31, 2017 19:00:42 GMT -5
True but it made wrestling fun to watch back in the day. Can't say the same thing about today. A garbage man and a giant bull man... Nah. I'd take that over a Reigns or Cena match any day of the week. |
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Post by Sizzle on Jan 31, 2017 19:07:10 GMT -5
A garbage man and a giant bull man... Nah. I'd take that over a Reigns or Cena match any day of the week. Oof. Looks like we have to agree to disagree on this one. There comes stuff that makes me give up on things and Mantaur, Friar Ferguson, and Duke Droese are those things. Cena is a legit, not campy character that you could actually imagine being a wrestler. Reigns as well. They actually make sense in a wrestling ring. |
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