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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Mar 6, 2017 23:35:34 GMT -5
Don't waste your breath. I already have him blocked. I couldn't even see his response until you quoted him. He's never going to listen to reason because he is one hundred percent part of the problem and will always attack anyone who tries to undermine his flawed logic. I wish I could like this post a million times. To justify the stalking ("not stalking") with saying it's in a public place, not harming them, yada yada yada. It's indeed stalking. How empty must your life be to waste your time and get autos and pics with celebs at airports and hotels? I got a wife and kid and my time goes to them. That fulfills me. Hell, before I met Ziggler, the last guy I met was Ron Simmons, and that was a year ago! I met Ziggler at a free signing a few weeks back and he was cool as can be but they did have to cut off the line and man, people were pissy and bitchy. The Man had to go to a live event later that day so IDK what they expected. And when he left, everyone crowded around him till his limo showed up. I was like Jesus Christ this guy can't even leave without being bothered. And I am sure you have hobbies I find to be an utter waste of time. But no...its NOT stalking. Again, you either dont understand what stalking is or its just a feeble attempt at exaggerating something. There isnt a need to justify it. Its something I enjoy doing. I like collecting autographs and getting photos. You may think its weird. You may not. Im not looking for your blessing. I am simply trying to educate people on what "stalking" is and what might be a weird hobby. Also, not one of you who has shunned this hobby has addressed my question, I posed twice. What is your opinion of paparazzi who do the exact same thing as me, cept they do it in an attempt to profit money off of it? Is that "stalking?" As someone who used to do this often, I get both sides of the arguement. Here in Michigan we dont get alot of signings at all, and when we do its a massive deal. Not to mention those Wizard World signings are so expensive with all the travel and whanot, and I wouldnt be able to afford them. So its hard to meet my favorite wrestlers, I have a friend who pieces together an idea of when theyll be there and we used to go up and wait there, and then we would go to show afterwards. If we werent going to the show then we wouldnt go up to the airport. Most wrestlers were nice about it and those who didnt want to be bothered we thanked and left them alone. That was years ago though, I dont do it anymore because im much older, dont have the time and I dont really wanna bother them. I get why they would get frustrated though with all the eBayers waiting around to make money off of them, its ridiculous. Plus theyre usually really rude and demanding, like I wish Paige wouldve knocked out that guy in the video earlier in the thread. I just dont want to be apart of it anymore. I mean these days if I saw them randomly on the street, I might approach them depending on the situation, but if theyre with their family or something leave them alone. Back in November I traveled to Buffalo for RAW and after the show I went to eat and it just so happened to be where Big E, Xavier Woods, R-Truth, The Shining Stars and Sin Cara were eating and I didnt bother them at all. I talked to Xavier a little afterwards when we were both paying our bills, but I wouldve never approached them while they were eating. Very intelligent post. I appreciate you chiming in and offering a POV from both sides. Yes, the eBayers are ruining it for people. They are rude. They do not accept no.
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Post by Escape The Rules on Mar 7, 2017 3:36:53 GMT -5
If I was a pro wrassler, I'd only sign stuff for the kids. Screw the smarks. Kids should be the priority for wrestlers anyways. Kids aren't thinking about going on ebay with a signed picture. But yeah I bet it gets old when a bunch of sweaty men come up to you with 8x10 and sharpie ready just wanting an autograph so they could throw it up on ebay. You would be surprised with how many people use their kids as bait. Oh can you sign this for my kid right here. Boom eBay I know a girl who used her 2 month old baby to get pics at the airport a few years ago, absolutely shameless.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 3:42:15 GMT -5
It's all about being respectful and not shoving crap in their face or demanding a picture. I hate how entitled wrestling fans are and thing these guys owe us something.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Mar 7, 2017 3:53:47 GMT -5
If I was a pro wrassler, I'd only sign stuff for the kids. Screw the smarks. Kids should be the priority for wrestlers anyways. Kids aren't thinking about going on ebay with a signed picture. But yeah I bet it gets old when a bunch of sweaty men come up to you with 8x10 and sharpie ready just wanting an autograph so they could throw it up on ebay. You would be surprised with how many people use their kids as bait. Oh can you sign this for my kid right here. Boom eBay People are gross
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Post by Escape The Rules on Mar 7, 2017 4:16:03 GMT -5
This one will always be a double edged sword. The ebayers, creeps and the ones with the sense of entitlement are the ones that ruin it for everyone else.
I live in the UK and I only get to see WWE twice a year, it was almost going to be once this year until they added an extra date in my city to the UK tour in May. The hotel they stay at is a legit 5 minutes down the street from my house, so you can't really fault me for waiting outside in hopes of meeting some of my favourite wrestlers since autograph signings with the ones you really want to meet are few and far between.
If the hotel was far out, I wouldn't bother. I'll do it if it's convenient. I don't make it a hobby or do it religiously every time they're here. And I certainly wouldn't systematically hunt them down like some desperados do, that to me is just sad. I also wouldn't travel all the way to the airport at 5 in the morning to meet them, that's possibly the worst place you can attempt to meet them, I'm just not that brazen or shameless. Some guy asked for a photo with Sasha Banks at the airport, thanked her on Twitter and she insulted him in return. The best part was she was just sitting down doing nothing, it wasn't like he hounded her. For all she knew, that guy could've been waiting on a flight or his luggage just like she was.
Some of today's wrestlers are some of the biggest whiners out there. The Rock is more than happy to meet a fan or a bunch of fans who waited for him outside the gym at 6am and yet someone who's the same age as me like Sasha Banks, who is nowhere near The Rock's status, nor will she ever be, who has an over inflated perspective of how big she really is, can't even handle taking a photo with a single solitary fan in an empty airport. Get over yourself love.
I'd also like to point out that Chris Jericho used to go to the hotel when he was younger and took photos with wrestlers, he says so in his first book. As did many others who are now famous wrestlers.
If you're a genuine, polite and respectful fan, then it shouldn't be an issue. But you're certainly not 'entitled' to anything. They're the ones doing you a favour, not the other way around. So don't get mad if you get turned down.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Mar 7, 2017 5:14:42 GMT -5
This one will always be a double edged sword. The ebayers, creeps and the ones with the sense of entitlement are the ones that ruin it for everyone else. I live in Scotland and they tour here twice a year, it was almost going to be once this year until they added a date to the UK tour in May. I don't get the chance to see them very often and the hotel they stay at is a legit 5 minutes down the street from my house, so you can't really fault me for going down and respectfully and politely waiting outside in hopes of meeting some of my favourite wrestlers. If the hotel was far out, I wouldn't bother. I'll do it if it's convenient, I won't systematically hunt them down like some desperados do, that to me is just sad. I also wouldn't travel all the way to the hotel at 5 in the morning to meet them, that's possibly the worst public place you can attempt to meet them. I wouldn't even want to risk looking like a creep by doing that. Some guy asked for a photo with Sasha Banks at the airport, thanked her on Twitter and she insulted him in return. The best part was she was just sitting down doing nothing, it wasn't like he hounded her. For all she knew, that guy could've been waiting on a flight or his luggage just like she was. Some of today's wrestlers are some of the biggest whiners out there. The Rock is more than happy to meet a fan or a bunch of fans who waited for him outside the gym at 6am and yet these someone who's the same age as me like Sasha Banks, who is nowhere near The Rock's status, nor will she ever be, who has an over inflated perspective of how big she really is, can't even handle taking a photo with a single solitary fan in an empty airport. Get over yourself love. If you're a genuine, polite and respectful fan, then it shouldn't be an issue. You're not 'entitled' to anything. They're the ones doing you a favour, not the other way around. I'm not taking sides but todays wrestlers are acting like this is something new. Fans at hotels and airports has been happening from the 80's and every famous wrestler has had to deal with it in the past. As for Sasha Banks she either can't handle fame or just isn't a nice person in reality. Ive heard stories of Hogan spending 1 hour of his spare time in an airport signing for everyone. He didn't have to do that but probably did out of loyalty towards his fans. I also agree that respect is appreciated by a wrestler. They dont have to stop and sign but I have seen videos on YouTube where fans are rudely yelling and screaming for an autograph. I have never waited at an airport or hotel because I personally feel its an invasion of privacy and from what I have seen in videos it would be an unconfortable experience. Standing among a crowd of rowdy rude people is not my thing.
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Post by Edge618 on Mar 7, 2017 7:35:16 GMT -5
I just want to say too its also in how you approach. I met Punk at the host hotel of UFC fighters(its way more encouraged and accepted in during a UFC fight week) , as a PPV was in town and he was cornering a teamate, just shortly after he signed with UFC. It was just after theyd held the weigh ins near by, so everyone knew theyd leave from the weigh ins and return back to the hotel. Everyone has heard the Punk horror stories. Anyways, he walks in, he walking right by me, and I hold my RSC Exclusive ECW figure up and ask him politely if he'd mind signing it if he had time and that I was a big fan. He looks at it for a sec with a confused look and I thought here we go, all the Punk stories are true. Then he takes my marker, says "I dont see too many of these ones", signs it and i give him a fist bump and a thank you.
And i thought hmmm where are these stories coming from. I caught him right as he came in the door and not many noticed him at first. I then proceeded to watch as people shoved stuff in his face without even asking, or walking up with there cameras already out in selfie mode saying rudely "lets get a pic Punk". Then i saw the Punk everyone talks about. He bluntly told tons of people no, asks if they could ask nicely, closed his eyes during pics.
A lot of them like to work marks, just dont mark out and dont be a dick and most of the time youll be fine no matter where its at.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Mar 7, 2017 7:39:35 GMT -5
The problem with your argument is that stalking doesn't have one single global definition. Different places have slightly different definitions. At the very least, they all fall along the lines of: "Stalking can be defined as the willful and repeated following, watching and/or harassing of another person". Under that definition, repeatedly following and watching celebrities absolutely can be defined as stalking. They don't necessarily have to threaten the person for it to classify as stalking. Some definitions say that they do, others don't. It depends on which definition you prefer. The type of people carrying out this type of behaviour aren't just doing it the once. They do it repeatedly. While definitions can vary, the idea of threatening is the core portion. There is an intent to do harm. Would you call the paparazzi stalkers? The need to have threats involved IS the part that varies. It's not at all the core portion. The core portion is the following and watching part. I absolutely would call the paparazzi stalkers. It's just that they're protected by it being a legitimate job.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Mar 7, 2017 8:08:24 GMT -5
While definitions can vary, the idea of threatening is the core portion. There is an intent to do harm. Would you call the paparazzi stalkers? The need to have threats involved IS the part that varies. It's not at all the core portion. The core portion is the following and watching part. I absolutely would call the paparazzi stalkers. It's just that they're protected by it being a legitimate job. Paparazzi are the lowest of the low and take stalking to an all new level. They follow celebs down the street, burst into resturants they're eating in and basically push celebs to breaking point. A One Direction singer got arrested on Saturday because one started harrassing him and his girlfriend at an airport. They are stalkers that are protected and the celebs can do nothing about it which makes me sick.
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Post by Escape The Rules on Mar 7, 2017 8:25:53 GMT -5
I'd also like to point out that Chris Jericho used to meet wrestlers at the hotel when he was younger, he says so in his first book. As did many others who are now famous in the business.
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Post by tiny04 on Mar 7, 2017 8:34:20 GMT -5
If I had just came off a long flight in the early hours of the morning, and someone came up to me asking me to sign stuff and take pictures, they'd be politely told to piss off. Can't believe some people on here are actually justifying this.
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Post by T R W on Mar 7, 2017 10:22:57 GMT -5
It isn't legally stalking. However it is poor and selfish behavior to hound these people for autographs and pictures in airports and hotels. And yes, the paparazzi are awful and just as bad and usually worse. One group's awful behavior doesn't make another groups OK. If it were me, I would gladly sign before and after shows, at official signings and in public if it wasn't a bunch of people mobbed up with a folder full of 8x10s and suitcase full of action figures. But in the airport and hotel, I am pretty sure I would just politely decline to sign anything or take pictures except in special circumstances. Same thing while with my family or eating. It's just rude and unfair to the wrestler/celebrity. These people don't owe the fans anything other than their performance at the show. How someone deals with autograph hounds doesn't change my opinion of them as a person at all. There really is no justifying it other than that your personal wants are more important to you than the privacy of others.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Mar 7, 2017 16:30:12 GMT -5
While definitions can vary, the idea of threatening is the core portion. There is an intent to do harm. Would you call the paparazzi stalkers? The need to have threats involved IS the part that varies. It's not at all the core portion. The core portion is the following and watching part. I absolutely would call the paparazzi stalkers. It's just that they're protected by it being a legitimate job. I'm sorry, but you are wrong. The threat part IS the core, b/c that is what MAKES it illegal. Forget celebs for a minute. Lets take a man and a woman as an example. If you send flowers or write love notes or wait for a girl at her car after work every day...is that stalking? No. Its weird. Its creepy. Its a lot of things, but it is not stalking. There has to be an intent to instill fear or an intent to do harm, paired with the above actions to make it stalking. Anyone can watch and follow someone. Its neither illegal nor stalking. I do appreciate the fact that you did answer the paparazzi question. The need to have threats involved IS the part that varies. It's not at all the core portion. The core portion is the following and watching part. I absolutely would call the paparazzi stalkers. It's just that they're protected by it being a legitimate job. Paparazzi are the lowest of the low and take stalking to an all new level. They follow celebs down the street, burst into resturants they're eating in and basically push celebs to breaking point. A One Direction singer got arrested on Saturday because one started harrassing him and his girlfriend at an airport. They are stalkers that are protected and the celebs can do nothing about it which makes me sick. Legitimate is an opinion. The paparazzi are protected by the same laws fans are. Celebs choose this lifestyle. You have to take the good with the bad. There is a draw back to fame and money. I'd also like to point out that Chris Jericho used to meet wrestlers at the hotel when he was younger, he says so in his first book. As did many others who are now famous in the business. Yes he does. CM Punk has a famous pic that has been used on WWE videos before with him and Stone Cold Steve Austin at Austin's hotel after a show when Punk was in high school.
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Post by JC Motors on Mar 7, 2017 16:37:15 GMT -5
Waiting for them to show up at an airport is stalking. It's creepy and wrong. It's also kinda a security issue if you think about it
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Post by Valbroski on Mar 7, 2017 16:39:04 GMT -5
I can't see myself ever wanting to approach one in public. I'd feel like a bother no matter what the circumstance was.
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Post by Focalin on Mar 7, 2017 16:43:15 GMT -5
Let me start out by clarifying that I'm not a name, I don't think I'm a name in anyway, I'm only a year into the business and it blows my mind when fans want my autograph. That being said, anytime someone asks for an autograph, I personalize it for them. I don't expect anyone to put my signature on ebay tomorrow..But who knows 5 years from now-10 years from now?
Re: Stalking. I'm personally against waiting at airports, I did it once with a friend just to experience it..and it was eye opening. It's a double edged sword, the wrestlers can deny the autograph and move on..but then they may get the reputation of being a dick. Wrestling fans feel like they're so entitled.
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Post by J'Dinkalage Morgoone on Mar 7, 2017 17:04:55 GMT -5
Let me start out by clarifying that I'm not a name, I don't think I'm a name in anyway, I'm only a year into the business and it blows my mind when fans want my autograph. That being said, anytime someone asks for an autograph, I personalize it for them. I don't expect anyone to put my signature on ebay tomorrow..But who knows 5 years from now-10 years from now? Re: Stalking. I'm personally against waiting at airports, I did it once with a friend just to experience it..and it was eye opening. It's a double edged sword, the wrestlers can deny the autograph and move on..but then they may get the reputation of being a dick. Wrestling fans feel like they're so entitled. Most indy guys ive met are the same way. I help with a merch booth that travels to different shows.
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Post by James St. James on Mar 7, 2017 17:21:49 GMT -5
Who gives a f*** about autographs anyway? A picture I understand but an autograph is possibly the lamest most impersonal thing ever as far as keepsakes go.
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Post by bababooey on Mar 7, 2017 22:06:56 GMT -5
My feeling is that if I saw a wrestler or other celebrity either eating, walking somewhere, waiting for their bags, or trying to get to their gate to catch a flight I wouldn't bother them. Once after a show, I found myself walking into the parking garage next to Dolph Ziggler. He was keeping his head down and walking briskly. I chose not to bother him because he was clearly just trying to get to his car. Could you imagine what would have happened if I stopped him then other people saw him and held him up even longer? A few years before I had a similar situation with Evan Bourne. Leaving a show I got split up from my friends. So I was walking down the street looking for them. I accidentally bump into a guy walking by with luggage. Turns out it was Evan Bourne who was also looking for some of his friends. I was just like "Whoops. Sorry man." He was like "All good. No worries." But in that moment of hesitation I hear someone yell "Evan Bourne!!!!" Then a heard of people backed him up against a wall and he stayed signing for a while.
Now if I'm waiting for a flight and I see a wrestler also waiting around or if I see I wrestler kind of resting at a gym (not that I'm ever in a gym), maybe I'd just go up and say hi and let them know I'm a fan. If they seem chill I'd maybe ask for a quick picture. Like if we're both there anyway, I guess it's ok to say hi and gauge their response.
Also, wrestlers and other celebrities tend to recognize and become friendly with people they see often at signings. There's been times when a celebrity will be at a bar after a con or something, and they'll see my friends and I and invite us over to come hang out. There's one actor (not gonna say who) that will call us over to his table at cons and set up plans to hang out with us later.
When it comes down to it, they just want to be treated like people. If you're chill, they'll be chill. It's not fair to expect them to be working 24/7.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Mar 7, 2017 22:35:58 GMT -5
Let me start out by clarifying that I'm not a name, I don't think I'm a name in anyway, I'm only a year into the business and it blows my mind when fans want my autograph. That being said, anytime someone asks for an autograph, I personalize it for them. I don't expect anyone to put my signature on ebay tomorrow..But who knows 5 years from now-10 years from now? Re: Stalking. I'm personally against waiting at airports, I did it once with a friend just to experience it..and it was eye opening. It's a double edged sword, the wrestlers can deny the autograph and move on..but then they may get the reputation of being a dick. Wrestling fans feel like they're so entitled. The funny thing is I bet you Rollins' tweet is directed more towards ebayers than it is towards fans. I've met Rollins several times and he has ALWAYS been super cool with me. He knows I'm not there to get stuff to sell. Focalin, your personalization idea would be a good one....cept ebayers have learned to erase personalizations. Sorry Wrestlers can deny. And they yeah, they do get a bad online reputation. BUT...it doesnt seem to stop people from coming back and trying again. The last time I went for Rollins, there was an ebayer at the AP and he was telling me how Rollins has shut him down countless times and cussed him out. He thought I had never done this before. Since I was wearing a Rollins shirt, he said dont be too upset if "your hero" flips out. Who gives a f*** about autographs anyway? A picture I understand but an autograph is possibly the lamest most impersonal thing ever as far as keepsakes go. I've really cut back on the graphs I generally get. My collection got way out of hand. Now I just like to get my photo op signed.
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